Debate on the Conder car crash

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Can I please have everyone’s attention!!!!!

Has anybody noticed how this discussion started?!? It was a condolence message. . . and I think that this blog should have stayed in that way. . .

Most people who have added their opinion or made speculation, put yourself in the position of the young driver, her family and her friends – especially A.R!

If you didn’t know the driver, and I have for 10yrs, then you would know that alcohol and drugs were not contributing factors in this accident!!!

It is so hurtful to hear the rumours and outright lies that are spreading their way around Canberra!

If your not 100% sure of the details, then mind your own freaking business because the words you write are damaging the lives of those involved – had some respect for A.W!!!

She will live with this for the rest of her life… think about it and shut up!!!!

[ED – I don’t think it is realistic to expect the public to not discuss (in any forum be it over the back fence, in the legislative assembly, or here) such a tragedy. But I’m up for debate, knock yourselves out. Best to read through the parent discussion first]


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Timberwolf65 Timberwolf65 7:24 am 19 Aug 08

Wasn’t the funeral for this poor girl yesterday?
Will we ever be told what really went on that night?

OzAlien OzAlien 9:23 am 16 Aug 08

monkey1 said :

My child and friends have decided they want to attend. I will attend with them. I am hoping that once the funeral is over there won’t be any consequences, but time will tell.

I know if they don’t go they will regret it later in life.

monkey1,

Regretably, I dont have all the details about the funeral arrangements, but I do know for sure that any of Amy’s friends are welcome to show their respects. I’m not doubting your comments above, but can only say I am naturally disappointed if such threats are being made by her so called friends. Sadly I cannot make my nieces funeral and it would be nice to know that all her friends were able to say their goodbyes.

monkey1 monkey1 4:41 pm 15 Aug 08

to mdme workalot, it is hard losing friends at such a young age, you always think they’ll be around.

My child and friends have decided they want to attend. I will attend with them. I am hoping that once the funeral is over there won’t be any consequences, but time will tell.

I know if they don’t go they will regret it later in life.

mdme workalot mdme workalot 8:53 am 15 Aug 08

Monkey1 – re your child attending the funeral.

I faced a similar situation when I was 15 – a friend I used to be quite close to was killed in a car accident, and I was warned not to go to the funeral as I had had quite a serious falling out with some of her other friends. I agonised over the decision for days, and eventually decided that I really needed to say goodbye.

My parents came with me, as they were fully aware of the situation. The funeral went as well as it could and there was no trouble – in fact, my friends parents expressed their gratitude for my attendance (they were also aware of the trouble between all the girls).

Three days later, I was followed home by members of the ‘group’ and got a flogging. But to this day, I’m so glad that I went and said goodbye, regardless of the outcome. FWIW, I still (11 years later) visit the cemetery every year on the anniversary of my friends death – I am the only one apart from family who makes the effort.

I would strongly recommend going to the funeral with your child and (if possible) any other friends and their parents who are also uncertain of whether to go. It’s not something that your child can decide to do later, and I think you’ll find it will mean a great deal to her parents.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

simbo simbo 7:55 am 15 Aug 08

Yep, treating grieving as an opportunity to have a high-school popularity contest may be the ultimate in bad taste.

Some of these kids really need to have a quick watch of “Heathers”.

vg vg 6:18 am 15 Aug 08

ant said :

Mr Evil said:

Mr Evil said :

What is it with these idiots trying to out-mourn one another and dictating to others that they have no right to comment at all about an issue because it affects them?

Arch-tossers is what they are. And I suspect the taxpayer will be coughing up for them for quite some years to come. they’re an adornment to society.

Ant

I don’t believe it

I agree with you

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 1:33 am 15 Aug 08

Madman said :

Correct me if i’m wrong but you were saying that it was okay for them to commit a crime cause they lost a loved one?

And correct me again if I didn’t say I’m going to lose a loved one but you won’t let me spray paint it on your driveway and in your community?

I’m happy to correct you – No, I didn’t x 2.

But thanks for the interpretations – stay away from the Quran.

shauno shauno 11:15 pm 14 Aug 08

This thread has been quiet comical to read the mind boggles what some of these people get up to in there spare time. Must be a depressing place to live in some of these suburbs lol by the sounds of it.

peter@home peter@home 11:05 pm 14 Aug 08

astrosapien said :

“Welcome to RA”

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for people speaking their minds and even having a bit of a laugh in the process when it is appropriate. Now just isn’t it for me.

Monkey1, my email is fairly simple and anonymous so I’m ok with posting it here:

Astrosapien@gmail.com

I’m happy to talk sensibly to anyone from on here, but be cautioned that if you’re just going to carry on the nonsense from on here I’ll block you.

Thanks!

astrosapien,

good luck with it all, I hope that there is some closure for the families effected after the police enquiry is completed.

ant ant 10:58 pm 14 Aug 08

Mr Evil said:

Mr Evil said :

What is it with these idiots trying to out-mourn one another and dictating to others that they have no right to comment at all about an issue because it affects them?

Arch-tossers is what they are. And I suspect the taxpayer will be coughing up for them for quite some years to come. they’re an adornment to society.

Timberwolf65 Timberwolf65 10:36 pm 14 Aug 08

Well I am totally blown away from what I have been reading, I cannot believe threats are being made by this group of girls about who should attend the funeral.
Wouldn’t this be a time for everyone who knew the girl, to come together and say goodbye? I wonder what the girl would think of how these so called mates are acting.
The poor parents of the girl won’t want to be dealing with this sort of behavior on the day either.

Geez…

Some teens are so angry these days, they seem to think they are so hard done by, they form bloody gangs and intimidate people.
Shame on these girls for acting like this. I hope the kids that are afraid to go to the funeral do end up going, they have the right to do so, they have the right to say goodbye one last time:(

astrosapien astrosapien 9:58 pm 14 Aug 08

“Welcome to RA”

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for people speaking their minds and even having a bit of a laugh in the process when it is appropriate. Now just isn’t it for me.

Monkey1, my email is fairly simple and anonymous so I’m ok with posting it here:

Astrosapien@gmail.com

I’m happy to talk sensibly to anyone from on here, but be cautioned that if you’re just going to carry on the nonsense from on here I’ll block you.

Thanks!

Madman Madman 9:58 pm 14 Aug 08

Smoke signals at noon…

monkey1 monkey1 9:42 pm 14 Aug 08

Well said Astrosapien. There are people involved here that are hurting, yourself and you family in particular!

I do not know how to get in touch outside this forum, but do not wish to put any personal details online here, so if you know a way let me know

Madman Madman 9:31 pm 14 Aug 08

astrosapien said :

Wow,

This has gotten way off topic and into the realms of pure absurdity. The fact that my sister and her family were involved aside, I am appalled at the way some of the people on this forum are treating this serious community issue so flipantly.

I’d like to say a sincere “thank you” to some of the people on here that have contributed in a serious manner, Monkey1 and Peterh in particular. Your insight into the matter from first hand experiences and information on the way in which the young people are coping with this is what this thread should have had more of.

Debates over which part of Canberra is better, the types of people that live there, dead goldfish and McDonalds restaurants in laundries makes a mockery of the situation and all the people that have been affected by this turn of events.

I would genuinely like to continue discussing this issue seriously but it seems pretty clear at this moment that this forum is not where it is likely to happen. Monkey1 and Peterh, if you would like to discuss this further away from the ridiculousness of this forum, get in touch and we can go from there.

Thanks again to everyone, but I just can’t bring myself to participate in this until people get back on topic and treat the matter with the seriousness that it deserves.

Astrosapien out

Again… Welcome to RA!

astrosapien astrosapien 9:22 pm 14 Aug 08

Wow,

This has gotten way off topic and into the realms of pure absurdity. The fact that my sister and her family were involved aside, I am appalled at the way some of the people on this forum are treating this serious community issue so flipantly.

I’d like to say a sincere “thank you” to some of the people on here that have contributed in a serious manner, Monkey1 and Peterh in particular. Your insight into the matter from first hand experiences and information on the way in which the young people are coping with this is what this thread should have had more of.

Debates over which part of Canberra is better, the types of people that live there, dead goldfish and McDonalds restaurants in laundries makes a mockery of the situation and all the people that have been affected by this turn of events.

I would genuinely like to continue discussing this issue seriously but it seems pretty clear at this moment that this forum is not where it is likely to happen. Monkey1 and Peterh, if you would like to discuss this further away from the ridiculousness of this forum, get in touch and we can go from there.

Thanks again to everyone, but I just can’t bring myself to participate in this until people get back on topic and treat the matter with the seriousness that it deserves.

Astrosapien out

Madman Madman 9:15 pm 14 Aug 08

Excellent logic.

That’s like comparing apples and dildos.

However, thanks for the inspiration. Next time I die I’m going to open up a McDonalds in your laundry.

The TAGS don’t like me!

Hooley Dooley… You need to get back on your pills.

Correct me if i’m wrong but you were saying that it was okay for them to commit a crime cause they lost a loved one?

And correct me again if I didn’t say I’m going to lose a loved one but you won’t let me spray paint it on your driveway and in your community?

Madman Madman 9:10 pm 14 Aug 08

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot said :

Excellent logic.

That’s like comparing apples and dildos.

However, thanks for the inspiration. Next time I die I’m going to open up a McDonalds in your laundry.[/quote>

Hooley Dooley… You need to get back on your pills.

Correct me if i’m wrong but you were saying that it was okay for them to commit a crime cause they lost a loved one?

And correct me again if I didn’t say I’m going to lose a loved one but you won’t let me spray paint it on your driveway and in your community?

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 8:51 pm 14 Aug 08

Madman said :

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot said :

Madman said :

Doesn’t mean it wasn’t a crime.

Doesn’t mean what they did was wrong, or that we should care about a little bit of paint on a sterile piece of road.

I think some people are treating this like the kids raped their grandmother.

I hope you’re not calling on the crime scene investigation to tape off the scene and dust for prints… I’m not sure if the AFP have the resources to take on this case?

So if you’re going to give away vandalism then when the childrens cat dies, does that meant they can go commit murder and get let off?

@Eyeball, my goldfish is on the brink, whats your address so i can come spraypaint RIP FishGold all over your driveway and maybe up along the road on your street and on your walls of your house… You have got to be kidding me, a crime is a crime. do the crime, pay the time. not ohhh its okay cause your having a bad time in life.

Excellent logic.

That’s like comparing apples and dildos.

However, thanks for the inspiration. Next time I die I’m going to open up a McDonalds in your laundry.

monkey1 monkey1 8:42 pm 14 Aug 08

Well said Madman, I’m sure Eyeball wouldn’t be happy with it all over their driveway.

Whatsup – thank you. I think it is important that the kids involved have someone to talk, even if the parent leads into the conversation, because teenagers being teenagers won’t ask for help. That is why the minute I found out about it I started talking, told them I was hear to listen anytime. We stayed up till 2am talking, about this tradegy and other things going on in life. I hope they can all find a way to cope that doesn’t involve breaking the law and voilent towards others.

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