Tralee goes ahead

I agree seepi, im in chisholm too, and even though i hear planes occansionally, its never too loud. And when i flew in from Melbourne earlier this year i flew right over my house, and apparently all the flights from melbourne fly over my place and i hardly ever hear them

Particularly since it’s owned by the ruthless (and well-connected) macbankers.

Freight has to come from somewhere and go somewhere though.

I can’t see Sydney airport letting Snow eat their lunch like that.

Seepi is right. Flights will increase, and noise will increase. They (the airport and the Civil Aviation mob) have already released a colour coded noise map for the surrounding region. There are Red zones which are slated to suffer from considerable noise 24 hours a day (approach paths etc). Snow has never been shy about stating that a big inducement for him to buy Canberra Airport was the lack of a curfew. The 24 hour freight operation is the most likely major use for the airport, and freight planes are bloody noisy.

I live in Chisholm, and i’ve never heard a plane so loud that ‘you can’t hear the telly’.

Tommy, would you like to write an article about this for us?

I think the PR campaign from the Airport is stepping up again – check out the Canberra Airport wikipedia entry.

An IP address matching to “mail.canberraairport.com.au” has removed sections of the article they apparently didn’t like – essentially astroturfing the article.

Pandy, you are correct in the PM/VIP aircraft turning in a lot closer than the normal air traffic. It would appear the pilots are only up to VFR, and have been instructed to follow the Monaro Highway north to a bit past the Gull servo and then hang a left – they should then be able to see the runway.

Of course, it could also be that Little Johnny is so paranoid of being shot at that the lower, faster and less predictable the approach, the less chance of Al-Quida (or disgruntled citizen) suceeding in removing him.

If you buy at Tralee, be prepared to join a militant protest group. Stage some noisy protests at the airport, cause a ruckess and attract a media circus. Once you have made your point and the public is on your side proceed with a class action against the local government.
Sue for damages such as stress due to intolerable noise and then you may win a big compensation settlement.
The tax payer will ultimatly foot the bill for this incompetant planning farce.

Miz, You may have some noise in Chisholm. But have you actually seen the aircraft and type of aircraft flying overhead? Or are they flying over the Hume corridor?

Some of the big jets now have a GPS landing system that allows them to do a bit of a dog-leg pushing the flight path further west AWAY from Jerrabomberra. The last 10 kms though all aircraft want to be lined-up witht he airstrip. Maybe some of the VIP/PM jets are turning in more sharply(?)

If Miz, you have aircraft flying over Chisholm, then according to Tom Snow and Airservices Australia this should not be. They should not however be less than 2km in height at this stage anyhow and thus may be outside of the noise causing envelope. I have had this discussion with Tom before. Send them an email with time and date and demand an explanation.

noone to talk to el?

We get planes overhead here sometimes already (eg when there is a storm in Melb) – usually in the evenings, on the weekend. I’m in Chisholm. I would hate it to be more frequent, as the ones we get are so low (and loud) you can’t hear the telly . . . and it would be galling if we have to suffer this due to people wanting to make a motza for themselves and not thinking of the consequences.

seepi (nimby) you are wrong about aircraft noise increasing as planes get bigger.

Do a bit of research and you will see the new generations of engines on planes are getting quieter, as they use less fuel and generate more power.

Good.

I like aircraft noise.

Aircraft noise is only going to increase tho, as the airport gets bigger, and planes get bigger. They will complain about that.
Aircraft noise seems to be something Canberrans prefer not to think about, but one day it will be too late – it will just be happening to a whole lot of us.

Pandy I know but if you bought a new house in a new development under a flight path you would have to have a brain the size of a gnat.

People who buy at Tralee really can’t complain nor should they. It’s not like they’ve bought the place and then 5 years later the flight plan changes to go over their house.

Nyssa,

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Departing aircraft going south can do so much in terms of a turn. Look at the map. Even if the aircraft turned sharply making it uncomfortable for passengers, Golmore and Chisholm would be the most likely affected at best. By which stage the aircraft would be close to 2 km high anyway.

Let me say once again, living under THE flight path in North Adelaide did not lead me to have kittens. I like many others just ignored the aircraft.

What will happen, though, is that people will move into the place and then start a campaign to get the flight paths changed, even if they bought in knowing full well that that’s where the planes went.

Don’t think it won’t happen – after all, pretty well everyone who lives under the Sydney Airport flightpath wasn’t even born when it opened, yet there’s perennial complaints about noise there.

Having said that, how noisy is it likely to be, given the relatively small size and low frequency of aircraft in and out of CBR?

This is a really bad move. In five or ten years, or maybe less, the poor souls who moved into houses under a flight path – which will be cheaper because of that – will start bleating that others (that’s us, Canberra people) should share their pain. Flight paths are a Commonwealth thing, and Eden-Monaro is a seriously marginal electorate. So, we’ll all get some totally unnecessary grief because of a developer and a council trying to get a short-term advantage.
Nor will the houses in the new development massively increase the region’s water resources which are already overstretched. They will increase demand.
Some people could treble their intelligence and still be more stupid than pond slime.

The airport is carefully staying away from the fact that with or without cross border housing, the airport will be very noisy once it goes fully 24×7 or becomes any “busier” with larger aircraft.

You don’t notice planes so much during the day, but at night time when you’re trying to sleep and everything is quiet you can easily hear the Dash8s and 737s warming up and arriving/departing at the airport from Kingstorn Foreshore (3km from the runways), Griffith, Reid and Campbell.

It’ll be the 24×7 freight operation which brings their night curfew back onto the state and federal political agenda.

I mean it ridiculous that after buying a property under a flight path people complain. It’s not rocket science.

Great way to make a pile of money if you have superior complaining skills though.

seepi, I too lived under a flight path in Sydney – as a child.

I know how bad it can be and if the facts re: changing flight paths is correct then Tuggers will be “hit” – where I am.

I think that as a part of the condition of sale it should be included – you move here, you know there’s a flight path over the site, don’t complain.

I mean it ridiculous that after buying a property under a flight path people complain. It’s not rocket science.

Then again, we could always build a drag way* near Tralee if the flight path is changed, just to annoy those complaining idiots.

*I’m not a fan of drag ways

Nyssa the problem is that once people are living at Tralee, and when the aieport becomes busier, then flight paths will be spread further around Canberra and a huge amount of people will start to be affected.

Most people in Canberra don’t realise how annoying it will be. Where I live we get sporadic planes overhead – sometimes a lot in the afternoon/evening, aqnd the odd really loud one. It is annoying, and I don’t want to be stuck with heaps more just because QBN has decided to build under the flight path.

Any chance of making homebuyers promise not to complain later??

Well, it has. Admittedly in fits and starts (special flights to New Zealand, a run of flights to Fiji for a while, plus a few diplomatic flghts that have landed here rather than fly through Sydney or Melbourne).

So it is an International Airport, just not a very active one.

Nyssa – Exactly, let them build houses there.. if noone moves in or buys them – then thats their problem. It could help solve the public housing debate..

As for Canberra being an INTERNATIONAL Airport.. will that EVER happen ?

Sonic is only worried about this because any development outside the ACT border doesn’t (directly) line his Government’s pockets.

So why is the Airport (Federal land) becoming a snowdome, and housing estates about to boom outside the ACT border? Only he can answer that question (but it’s fairly obvious to the rest of us). People are voting with their feet.

That’s ok, let them build at Tralee.

It will become the new “struggle town”.

I ask you, who would be that stupid as to buy a house under a flight path?

I reckon it’s a great idea.

But then again, I’d love the house that the Kerrigan’s owned in “The Castle” being the aircraft nut that I am 🙂

I can appreciate both sides of this arguement, but I feel the citizens of Qbn may have been ill-served.
There seems to be a degree of ‘stick it up the ACT’ with less thought as to how the lack of land for development in the area surrounding Qbn could be solved.
Yes, this (Tralee) land can be readily developed, but at what future cost?
Pangallo strikes me as a far more worthy individual than the incompetents we are saddled with on this side of the border. I would have expected a more statesmanlike effort on his part to explore other expansion plans for Qbn. Surely sticking it up the ACT is a copout for not entering productive discussions with surrounding NSW shires, when the potential downside of Tralee in future years rears it’s ugly head.

Surely the whole (NSW) side of the arguement does not boil down to which council levies the rates?

Good ol’ NSW councils… no further comment.

Bugger.

Dumb decision.

Brothels?

Curfews: Bring it on. Works OK in Sydney/Adelaide. Bugger the profit margins of Snowton.

Noise sharing? Only happens with take-offs, most of which happen to the north anyway.

Lets face it, Mr Snow is quivering with the prospects of curfews.

he’s right for once though