A hero emerges in Kaleen thanks to police video, but his dog wasn't much use

Big question is, what exactly is the owner of the franchise doing? I could fit a screen over that counter that would still ensure 100% visibility and practibility and safe from everything bar heavy duty tools for like 3k. Not sure what those wire jobs are costing the shell servos but i imagine around the same price.

the lask of protection for cashiers is a serious oh&s issue – get workcover in.

Jivrashia said :

p1 said :

but actually considering your suggesting seriously, and responding.
Consider it a compliment.

This.

I actually like the idea of arming shop attendants with a capsicum spray above all others.
Zero risk of permanent injury or even death.

You really don’t need something that provides lethal force. Just a deterrent or inconvenience will do.
These robbers only need the slightest of encouragement to run.

Crims are normally on the edge, and while some may tip towards fleeing, others when pushed will push back, hard, and employ lethal force. People have been killed for surprisingly little in crimes.

That’s why as I advocated earlier, servos should have more defensive features like banks. Sure, you can’t make it bullet proof, but a polycarbonate shield across the counter is a decent deterrent, and would at least delay an offender long enough for the staff to push an alarm.

Guns immediately escalate the situation, and will push crims towards arming themselves better.

Battons and OC are both dangerous the the person using them, and very often ineffective against the target.

p1 said :

but actually considering your suggesting seriously, and responding.
Consider it a compliment.

This.

I actually like the idea of arming shop attendants with a capsicum spray above all others.
Zero risk of permanent injury or even death.

You really don’t need something that provides lethal force. Just a deterrent or inconvenience will do.
These robbers only need the slightest of encouragement to run.

But if the robber has a gun then he means serious business.
Just stay low and think only of your safety.

Mordd said :

I love how someone suggests give them a gun, no-one comments on it……

Probably simply people dismissing out of hand the gun comment, either as a troll, or ’cause they know it will never happen, but actually considering your suggesting seriously, and responding.

Consider it a compliment.

Mordd said :

Diggety said :

Give the shop attendant a shotgun.

I love how someone suggests give them a gun, no-one comments on it. I suggest give them a baton / cap-spray (and there are lower grades of cap-spray they could be given which are not quite as dangerous as police grade, the stuff private citizens in USA are allowed to carry is an order of magnitude less powerful than what the police are issued with) and people are all over it saying that’s going to far.

Go figure heh…..

Welcome to RA.

Diggety said :

Give the shop attendant a shotgun.

I love how someone suggests give them a gun, no-one comments on it. I suggest give them a baton / cap-spray (and there are lower grades of cap-spray they could be given which are not quite as dangerous as police grade, the stuff private citizens in USA are allowed to carry is an order of magnitude less powerful than what the police are issued with) and people are all over it saying that’s going to far.

Go figure heh…..

Mordd said :

….less likely to shatter bone unlike the mag light baton favourite of security guards….

Ironically, one of the reasons¹ security guards like to carry huge maglite torches is that it is illegal for them to carry all other weapons (apart from those guards specifically licensed – like the ATM refill guys), but it is perfectly legal and logical for a guard (specifically at night) to carry a torch.

So they end up carrying something potentially more dangerous to beat people with.

[1] – The other reason is that a section of the insecurity guard community have serious delusions of their own awesomeness, and need to look as hardcore as possible at all times. Also why I don’t support giving them, or servo operators, other weapons (as delightful as it might be to hear of one of these scum getting a load of birdshot to the arse).

Henry82 said :

Mordd said :

Personally I say give all servo attendants retractable batons… capsicum spray

while i think these muggers are scum, i’d rather not have the general public armed with these kinds of weapons.

There should also be some emergency alert button / knock bar they have that summons instant police response,

Most tills these days have it built in.

Have to agree. It’s a common misconception that OC doesn’t cause harm. There have been deaths and permanent injuries linked to it, unless conditions are right the person deploying it and innocent bystanders are often affected by it, and it cannot be washed away easily. The bottle water rinsing you see on TV is an interim measure until proper eye wash can be applied, and even then the effects can last days.

Darkfalz said :

With our backwards Greenie/Labor court system, the robber (ie. the victim) will probably bring the dogwalker up on charges of assault and attempted deprivation of liberty. He’ll probably face additional charges from the accomplice for being pushed and subject to harsh language. And then he’ll cop one from the RSPCA for not securing his dog.

I’m not fan of the current government, but calling it a “Greenie/Labor court system” is pretty ridiculous. Do you understand the difference between the legislature and the judiciary?

Mordd said :

Personally I say give all servo attendants retractable batons… capsicum spray

while i think these muggers are scum, i’d rather not have the general public armed with these kinds of weapons.

There should also be some emergency alert button / knock bar they have that summons instant police response,

Most tills these days have it built in.

Personally I say give all servo attendants retractable batons like the cops have, that way at least if some goose with a tire iron comes in you can whip that bad boy and have something to defend yourself with. It’s not too deadly unless you strike them too many times in the wrong place, less likely to shatter bone unlike the mag light baton favourite of security guards, and perfect for cracking someone over the arm with to make them drop whatever weapon they are carrying. Alternatively I would support giving them all capsicum spray.

There should also be some emergency alert button / knock bar they have that summons instant police response, as well the fact that this place obviously should have had counter protection installed ages ago. Feel sorry for the poor bastard behind the counter, but watching the dog walker lash out with the leash was f-ing priceless, whip that bitch!!

Darkfalz said :

With our backwards Greenie/Labor court system, the robber (ie. the victim) will probably bring the dogwalker up on charges of assault and attempted deprivation of liberty. He’ll probably face additional charges from the accomplice for being pushed and subject to harsh language. And then he’ll cop one from the RSPCA for not securing his dog.

Do you have anything to back up your ridiculous claims? Please reference case law in your response.

I think I know who the good samaritan was…
http://qkme.me/3qoarg

This one’s good too:

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3qo0tm/

caf said :

It looks to me like Door Dude is trying to minimise his involvement to the point where his lawyer can argue that there’s “reasonable doubt” that he was involved at all.

As a lookout for the low-life he made an excellent statue.

When a problem comes along, you must whip it.

Nice work from the CanMeme guys

LSWCHP said :

I dips me lid to the bloke with the dog. Good on him, and I’d like to buy him a beer.

I hope that mongrel who thumped the cashier without cause gets ridden like a racehorse once he gets into the AMC.

Bubba: Pick up the soap boy!
Scum: but i didnt drop the soap??
Bubba: I SAID PICK UP THE SOAP BOY!!

It looks to me like Door Dude is trying to minimise his involvement to the point where his lawyer can argue that there’s “reasonable doubt” that he was involved at all.

With our backwards Greenie/Labor court system, the robber (ie. the victim) will probably bring the dogwalker up on charges of assault and attempted deprivation of liberty. He’ll probably face additional charges from the accomplice for being pushed and subject to harsh language. And then he’ll cop one from the RSPCA for not securing his dog.

dpm said :

Hope they catch the twats with this footage.
Really, if they are going to use the locked door as the only form of security, they should at least make people (i.e. the first person in this case!) look at a camera before opening, or some similar method of basic identification. It may not be 100% effective in practice, but would scare off most of these clowns from trying it on. I think that would be a fair rule, but it might upset civil libertarians ….!

Why upset civil libertarians when you could upset a criminal even more?

Give the shop attendant a shotgun.

wrigbe said :

I sure hope the dog walker gets a bravery award… not that I am recommending running into a robbery and attempting a citizen’s arrest on an armed thief when all you have is a dog leash – crazy but brave.

The Dog Walker (I think he deserves capital letters) may not have been tactically astute due to a rush of adrenalin, but he marched towards the sounds of the guns, and you can’t ask more than that from any man. I think that calling him crazy does him a grave disservice. I just reckon he’s brave, and good on him.

I hope that under the same circumstances I’d have the same courage. If more people were prepared to stand up like this to the scurrying vermin who inhabit the dark corners of our society, we’d be a lot better off.

I dips me lid to the bloke with the dog. Good on him, and I’d like to buy him a beer.

I hope that mongrel who thumped the cashier without cause gets ridden like a racehorse once he gets into the AMC.

I sure hope the dog walker gets a bravery award… not that I am recommending running into a robbery and attempting a citizen’s arrest on an armed thief when all you have is a dog leash – crazy but brave.

YouTookMyUsername said :

schmeah said :

Why don’t servos do security upgrades? I guess they cost money, and if they only have a couple of robberies a year their insurance will still kick in, only the poor dudes working the late shift have to take a jack to the face. Hope he is ok .. and the dog man of course.

Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don’t do one.
Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator: You wouldn’t believe.
Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?
Narrator: A major one.

The one thing missing from your equasion, the Consumer and Competition Act & the power it gives the ACCC when a consumer good has an issue that will or may cause injury.

I found it mildly amusing the guy was so desperate that he grabbed the $2 coins as well.

They might need to update their height markers on top of their security upgrade. That guy barely cracks the green marker, yet looks like he’s average height.

The guy slipped over on the way in as well.
Perhaps he is using his $200 to get some shoes that have some grip.

It seems the original guy hung around afterwards and didn’t do a runner straight away. Which I find strange. Perhaps they hadn’t planned on what do in the event one of them gets attacked by a dog leash and he froze up….

cmdwedge said :

johnboy said :

In a way it helps that he bludgeons the poor counter jockey, just to remove any shred of sympathy you might have for the turd.

What a disgusting thing to say, JB. Society is clearly to blame for this poor unfortunate fellow. I hear that Meredith Hunter has a huge hug for the culprit when he is found. Did I say culprit? I meant ‘victim of society’.

See, a vote for Labor is a vote for the Greens, I’ll remember that come the election.

I was out walking last night with my dog and spotted a male person trying to tyre lever his way into the local butchers. He decamped rapidly in a easterly direction as I walked towards him talking to 000 on my mobile. The cops said they send 2 cars. This morning I dropped into the butchers to get an update, but he had no clue about the police involvement. Was hoping for a bone for the bravest dog in the north, but all I got was a thanks mate. Hope that Kaleen dog walker gets a better deal from the servo.

YouTookMyUsername said :

Fight Club quote.

I know you think you’re being witty, but you’ve just described the actual civil standard of care used in civil liability cases everywhere, at least since the late 1940s.
(Anything less than that value is the legal definition of “negligence”. The Narrator in Fight Club wasn’t doing a particularly unethical job, just applying the industry standards of a really boring job.)

USA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._v._Carroll_Towing is the Circuit Court case that established it as precedent.
One of the more recent re-inclusions in Australia was the NSW Civil Liabilities Act 2002.

5B(2) In determining whether a reasonable person would have taken precautions against a risk of harm, the court is to consider the following (amongst other relevant things):
(a) the probability that the harm would occur if care were not taken,
(b) the likely seriousness of the harm,
(c) the burden of taking precautions to avoid the risk of harm,
(d) the social utility of the activity that creates the risk of harm.

schmeah said :

Why don’t servos do security upgrades? I guess they cost money, and if they only have a couple of robberies a year their insurance will still kick in, only the poor dudes working the late shift have to take a jack to the face. Hope he is ok .. and the dog man of course.

Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don’t do one.
Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator: You wouldn’t believe.
Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?
Narrator: A major one.

Hope they catch the twats with this footage.
Really, if they are going to use the locked door as the only form of security, they should at least make people (i.e. the first person in this case!) look at a camera before opening, or some similar method of basic identification. It may not be 100% effective in practice, but would scare off most of these clowns from trying it on. I think that would be a fair rule, but it might upset civil libertarians ….!

Looks like the scumbag left his tyre iron in there too.

Why don’t servos do security upgrades? I guess they cost money, and if they only have a couple of robberies a year their insurance will still kick in, only the poor dudes working the late shift have to take a jack to the face. Hope he is ok .. and the dog man of course.

Poor dogwalker that his dog was a gutless wonder – Kujo could have come in handy!

Copper friend of mine said the dog disappeared for few hours but thankfully returned unscathed.

I doubt it will take the police that long to catch these morons. The first idiot doesn’t exactly hide his face and without gloves would have left the police with a great set of prints on the bin he touched and also possibly on the door. The main moron also with no gloves would have left prints on the counter when jumping over and on the register as he fumbles about.

Kudos to the dog walker for intervening and for making the moron run like his mummy was coming for him.

Nice work by the dog walker, even made the national news!

This servo really needs a security upgrade. It’s remarkable they haven’t already.

Low counter, open at the side, no barrier across the top of the counter. It’s an OH&S issue and the owners should be ashamed.

Had to laugh at dog scarpering off at first opportunity

Hope he got his dog back! It probably put its time to good use, snuffling around bins.

The other two men are like an essay on different kinds of cowardice.

More importantly, did dog walking guy find his dog? It appeared to run away.

A huge high-five to the dog walker. It’s a shame he didn’t get the chance to really beat the crap out of the a***hole and his cowardly accomplice.

I hope the dog owner and attendant are okay. It shouldn’t be hard for someone to recognise and report the two scumbags.

What an incredible act of bravery on behalf of the dog walker. Imagine walking alone in to a servo being violently held up by 2 guys with nothing but a dog leash to defend yourself.

He was so fortunate that the door guy was completely gutless and did nothing to aid his accomplice. Imagine what the outcome might have been if door guy had been armed with a knife and had actually tried to do something.

The dog walker’s a legend. Have the two fools been identified? The first bloke is clearly visible, and the actual robber doesn’t appear to be wearing any gloves. I hope the poor bloke that works there is okay.

Dog Walking Man clearly has balls of steel. What a legend.

… meanwhile, why hasn’t someone overdubbed Yackety Sax onto the last part of the video yet?

johnboy said :

I liked the way door dude needed to clear a stone from both his shoes having cocked up the timing. But he really lost interest in proceedings when it went sour didn’t he?

It looked to me like he actually pointed at his partner in crime as if he was saying to the dog walker “dude, that guy’s robbing the store!!” to which the walker seemed to respond “well, why aren’t you stopping it!?”

I have to wonder why this servo doesn’t have a locked in counter with those steel cables separating worker from customer / thief. Especially if it’s already been hit a couple of times before.

Sorry for the poor worker, but it was pleasing to see at least one of the cowards cop a quick couple of smacks before face-planting the concrete. I for one hope they keep releasing these vids, especially if it helps nab a few more dirt-bags.

johnboy said :

I liked the way door dude needed to clear a stone from both his shoes having cocked up the timing. But he really lost interest in proceedings when it went sour didn’t he?

I think the shoes episode was an all clear single. They must watch a lot of movies involving robberies.

p1 said :

I assume the first dude was a part of it, holding open the door and all? He didn’t seem that interested in getting involved once dog man started up.

I can imagine it now: (dog walker, door dude)
DW: “what the F**K is going on here?”
DD: “umm… dunno, just hanging out”
DW: “oh motherf…”
DD: “umm…. oh look the place is being robbed, didn’t notice that”

johnboy said :

I liked the way door dude needed to clear a stone from both his shoes having cocked up the timing. But he really lost interest in proceedings when it went sour didn’t he?

JB, is there any chance you could dub the video with the Benny Hill theme music, and speed it up? I’m fairly certain that it would be awesome.

johnboy said :

I liked the way door dude needed to clear a stone from both his shoes having cocked up the timing. But he really lost interest in proceedings when it went sour didn’t he?

I am sure his ‘mate’ appreciated his support. though I am glad for the sake of Dogwalker, the accompice stayed out of it.

johnboy said :

In a way it helps that he bludgeons the poor counter jockey, just to remove any shred of sympathy you might have for the turd.

What a disgusting thing to say, JB. Society is clearly to blame for this poor unfortunate fellow. I hear that Meredith Hunter has a huge hug for the culprit when he is found. Did I say culprit? I meant ‘victim of society’.

I assume the first dude was a part of it, holding open the door and all? He didn’t seem that interested in getting involved once dog man started up.

johnboy said :

In a way it helps that he bludgeons the poor counter jockey, just to remove any shred of sympathy you might have for the turd.

‘a’ grade scumbag

bahaha tripping over at the end what a coward

Haha incredible when the moron eats the pavement. Good on the dog walker. Would have been even nicer if his dog ate the dudes face.

Locked doors dont do much when they have acomplises holding it open.