Suspended sentence for Jessica Bartlett

More like James Joyce, perhaps?

It’s almost a conversation spoken between different people.

zephyr9673 said :

Don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of very nice users who I get along with very well with,….indeed there are a couple who are most welcome 🙂

Magistrate Madden is a piece of s++t, …

I would trust Ron Cahill, is brilliant

Well gee, zephyr9673, all I can say is that seeing as you have been in prison (several time from what I can make out) your judgment on right and wrong must be pretty warped, especially when it comes to paying out on those that uphold the law. Personally I want nothing to do with druggies ‘nice’ or otherwise. But thanks for sharing anyway. That said, I seriously hope you can stay out of prison, get (or stay) clean and move on. I honestly do.

Seriously, Zephyr9673 – that was the best ever! Please let me know when the sequel will be available.

WOW. I like it. Shows raw emotion. A true rant, yet informative and finishing on topic.

The best thing about that post is that it was well-typed gibberish. Nice paragraphing, no excessive use of punctuation or CAPS LOCK.

A rant like that is a pleasure to read.

I guess this proves you shouldn’t go to early with the nutbag of the month awards.

zephyr9673 Mate can you rewrite that in a way we can all understand? I’m sure there are some good points in there but it’s pure gibberish as it stands.

Thank you dexi… I’ve found this site helpful in dealing with some of the issues it’s brought up in me.

Elson was in court today so it’ll be interesting to see the foremention on this.

I didn’t understand a lot of it…. what are you saying exactly? That people who aid and abet murderers should or shouldn’t stay on the street? Sorry, missed the point and yes some magistrates are better than others!

” family and her defactos family would be absolutely disgusted and embarrassed as I am to admit that I ever spent time with people who have acted so disgracefully.”

kjmho3 don’t be, association dose not mean support. People should bear witness.

Don’t think I understood 10% of that but yeah – wow….

wow

Gav and Matt where in when the family and Federal magistrates courts decided they didn’t want to hear my opinions about stealing children.

Magistrate Madden seems to be the hanging judge that doesn’t need evidence, a passive consumer of evidence over an inquisitor.

Justice doesn’t wear a blindfold, Magistrate Doogan was a delight in cleaning a couple of junkie scum off. Don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of very nice users who I get along with very well with, and I don’t expect to see them jumping through my window at 3 am in the morning, indeed there are a couple who are most welcome 🙂

Did she do it? Was the evidence recovered? Was she chastised?

Magistrate Fryer handed a two year sentence to a guy I was locked up with a while ago, it was overturned in the supreme court, everyone who lands in the gentile hands of Framee jumps for the supreme court.

And in that sh**ole you do want out.

Magistrate Madden is a piece of s++t, steal your kid shore, oh protesting about it, did you like 6 months, ? heres another six months, when someone in power takes glee in crushing the bug gestures as they sentence, they are a seriuosly f++ed up power tripper.

You want to know why the pri$on is a good thing?

No you don’t.

But go drink driving in Goulburn check out the remand yard there.

Try the service at Junee, yes, some blokes live in worse outside, but that is why you must distinguish who you are locking up and why?

As some on this board are aware our kids are going to inherit something like America post crack. I was offered Ice in BRC. I don’t care what anyone says F yard and symondson are sole destroying as is A and E yard. B yard is bearable because you can have a one out.

Claustrophobia, that is BRC.

Three suicide attempts. To get to D yard, yuck. If you are mentally ill, there is nothing for you in D yard.

And the girls got dorms, but got a yard at symondston. Yuck.

Locking people up in those conditions is a crime.

That is why we have a human rights pri$on.

And thank you for that. If Madden keeps throwing the public in there he might get to break in the new center, lord, I live in hope amen.

The problem with Ice is you would have to lock up about 300 000 addicts, and you need to know your stuff to separate nice window jumper from psycho dog gonna stab your family to death for $50 Junkie.

I know who I want locked up, and why and for how long, but Maddern Jail-a-holic has filled the Pri$on up, which pays Mr Frame to treat any members of the public like s++t, (Mr Frame could not quote a human right if it was written in front of him, less so provide a telephone capable of contacting the human rights commissioner)

Meanwhile Psycho dog junkies killed your family, who his mate has put him onto, while Mr Frame has managed to get the telephone to work for and he has overheard your address in conversation.

I would trust Ron Cahil, is brilliant, experience, we are lucky to have him. I have not met a social worker or psychologist I would trust over him.

Maddern for the theft of my daughter alone, I would gladly see hung, but for his failure to interpret evidence, this man does not have a clue.

It is a serious offense, and she will go, and has a record, which means she will stay in her predicament, her station. Magistrate Fryer Is a switch like Campbell, I wouldn’t cross either of them, but I would trust their decision, like Doogan, but not Maddern, he is a deaf blind man with a shotgun on a pogostick.

Unfortunately, the grandparents aren’t much better with the Jones Grandfather having been done drink driving and unlicensed 11 times… he also made the papers about 2 years ago. They also use drugs.

This whole situation is making me sleepless and so incredibly upset as my family is related to one of the Jones’ children… which is why I did as much as I could.

The Bartlett family, although Jess has taken the wrong path since teenagehood, I’d imagine her family and her defactos family would be absolutely disgusted and embarrassed as I am to admit that I ever spent time with people who have acted so disgracefully.

Good move Kjmho3, you would have only been totally bleed dry with no positive outcome. We can only hope that someone, outside their circle, can catch the kids when they hit teenage years. Ive seen this so many times. You will get burnt if you try to help. The kids best hope are good grandparents.

Makes me feel ill.

It shouldn’t be to hard to breach her suspension.

Why was my alcohol reading so high at .56?

Could somebody explain how vomiting and being in shock raises your BAC and holds it there long enough to register at the station?

Send all these drug induced trash to prison please! I’m happy to have my taxpayer money go towards cleaning this filth of the streets.

If true, which is admittedly likely, that is very sad and I can understand you feeling angry.

“I’m not defending Jesica, Id say living across the road from a Masssey is punishment enough. Look where its got her.”

Jessica Bartlett did not live across the road from the Massey’s. Lisa Jones did. Jess removed the items for Lisa. Jess was not in fear of the Massey’s or Lisa. Their life style and choices got them all where they are today. A women died (both Jess and Lisa are mothers) who had children… they were trying to deny this women’s family justice.

Jessica is a manipulator and a liar and they are all drug addicts. Everything … obviously even Murder… is kept within their drug circle so that a supply is always available because of favours owed.

I was trying desparately to help the Jones children have some description of normal life however when I realised the sort of lifestyle these people lived, I hightailed away from them. I am furious that justice has not been served and these children (including Jess’s) are still living in such an environment.

Cheers TM. All good now and I can’t stress enough how good air bags and baby capsules are!

Cheers for confirming those details Berra – I would have been very surprised if they had not. A very interesting (and lucky) situation you’ve experienced. Glad you got a fair result, and no life threatening injuries to your family.

tylersmayhem said :

@BerraBoy68: did you have to blow into the big super breath tester at the cop shop after having to breath into the random tester?

Certainly did TM. The process was:
– count into the machine at the accident;
– Many apologies from the police involved for having to charge me (“once its in the system mate, there’s nothing we can do”);
– spread eagled on the side of police van (apparently this is for their own safety);
– driven to Woden and re-tested on the ‘mega’ machine;
– then formally charged.

I’m not defending Jesica, Id say living across the road from a Masssey is punishment enough. Look where its got her.

All this goes to show is that the law only works only those who genuinely try to abide by it. As others here have said, going through police processing for a very minor matter is still a stressful and embarrassing event for a normal citizen. Which is why people who do something that is obviously and willfully BAD (like maybe HIDING EVIDENCE IN A MURDER INVESTIGATION) need proper punishment.

@bigfeet: very true!

@BerraBoy68: did you have to blow into the big super breath tester at the cop shop after having to breath into the random tester?

damn – “in consideration” not “in considered”

tylersmayhem said :

I think considering there were about 20 witnesses who can identify who the actual killer was, it may have been seen as unnecessary to impose a penalty too harsh to this moron.

That should not be a consideration at all. What should be in considered is what the intention was. And the intention was to assist a murderer (alleged at this time) escape punishment.

Whether there is or is not other evidence to prosecute the murder charge should be irrelevant.

Also “potential” harm is not actual harm…

Just a thought

G’day dexi, his only other offences ever were a couple of speeding tickets… at the time I thought he was lucky getting a 12 month suspended sentence with all the hysteria revolving around drink driving I know he thought so to but after seeing the numerous other sentences handed down that we hear about in the media I still can’t get my head around it. He thought a suspended sentence was basically a let off as the chances of him being caught for anything in 12 months was miniscule. If he was driving it would be a schooner at best. Anyways just thought I’d bring it up as a comparison for everyone.

Good tip for the old players too. I think the punishment for drink driving are set out and incremental for multiple offenses regardless. You got leniency first time around not getting a fine. I don’t think time between offenses matters either.

But here is the comparison.

Hindering an investigation or potential causing harm or death to passengers and other drivers by drunk driving more than once.

I dunno, I was charged 6 years ago (almost to the day) with DUI after a crash on Hindmarsh. I I was heading towards in a direction Coolaman Ct when a lady going the opposite way decided to take her porsch into Chifley without giving way. End result was that I broadsided her while I was doing 80km/h. Both she, my wife and our then baby son were taken to hospital in an Ambulance I was the only one left standing. The airbags saved our lives. Long story short, I’d had a couple of glasses of wine prior to leaving work and told the cops as soon as they arrived I needed to be breath-tested. I ended up blowing .56. The Police involved were very apologetic especially once they concluded I was just an innocent driver.

Long story short, the Magistrate let me off without a fine, without a conviction or loss of points. The police even spoke up for me in court saying I was cooperative throughout and had not caused the crash. Why was my alcohol reading so high at .56? Apparently throwing up through shock, adrenaline etc. all have something to do with it. The lady who caused the crash was charged with reckless driving endangering life. I consider the system actually worked in that incidence.

A tip for young players – don’t risk it. Being frisked prior to getting into a police car on Hindmarsh at 5:30pm on Friday is just embarrassing (I still cringe today). Waiting all day in court for your 10 mins in front of a judge is horrible, especially when you have to sit through several remand hearings, etc.. while awaiting your turn.

“My mate received a 12 month suspended sentence for blowing 0.054 on ANZAC day last year. He had a completely clean record for 6 years prior. This is sentence is absolute bullsh#t. Again.”

What was the last thing he was done for six years ago.

Yep you have to torture a rodent or have sex with a goat and then you’ll go to jail.

I personally know (but am not friends with) Jessica Bartlett and Lisa Jones (who is another person who aided in disposing of the evidence. With both Jessica and Lisa, it is no wonder they eventually became involved in such a tragic circumstance from the life style they were involved in. Something has to give.

I agree that society has the right to expect proper punishment. 4 months suspended sentance for all the grief that Jessica caused is simply not acceptable when a man who is .003 over the alcohol limit gets a 12 month suspended sentance is ridiculous.

Despite Jessica making the deal to testify, punishment should still fit the crime. IT WAS A MURDER INVESTIGATION that she hindered, and Jessica is someone who knows better. I can only hope and pray that harsher sentences are handed to Paul Elson, Lisa Jones and Rebecca Massey for the sake of Elizabeth’s children and loved ones.

I think considering there were about 20 witnesses who can identify who the actual killer was, it may have been seen as unnecessary to impose a penalty too harsh to this moron.

She also might have been afraid of Massey. I think I would be.

The thing is that this isn’t the only case where people are basically no punishment at all. There are some jurisdictions where covering up a murder is considered as good as using the knife \ gun yourself. We see this time and time again in our softly softly approach taken by the courts. (But don’t be a KM over the limit or blow 0.051, otherwise your gone).

Yes, the aim of a sentence should be to punish, and rehabilitate a person, but jail should also be looked at as a way of protecting society. If Jessica considers covering up a murder as acceptable behavior she is someone who society needs protecting from, plain and simple. Unfortunately it’s not something unique to Canberra, if you ever watch the force, frequently you’ll see people been arrested, charged and then told by the courts “you where a very naughty boy, don’t do it again”.

Yeah, it seems quite possible that she did a deal to provide evidence at the coming murder trial, in exchange for a softer sentence. I’m guessing the guy done DUI probably didn’t have something similar to offer.

The ABC is just giving a summary of what happened with this lady, there is more to this story. Let’s just see how things play out for Ms Massey and the rest of her criminal mates before we setup a lynch mob for the Magistrate.

It probably funds the ACT surplus.

Keeping people in custody is extremely expensive, keeping them on the streets provides ongoing employment, entertainment and excitement for a wide range of our citizenry.

You all just need to look at the broader picture.

The only dexter I know is a love robot.

Dexter is a criminal. Dexter is a very scary person.

[insert “Law and Order” theme music here] – I think I’ve seen enough cop shows to be quite the expert, so I’ll take a stab at this one [bad-taste pun intended]:

Surely the sentence takes into account prior record (presumably none or minor) and evidence she was willing to provide to make a deal to keep herself out, right, anyone… surely our “justice” system wouldn’t be so lenient otherwise, yeah??? After all, surely you would all agree that a conviction for the (alleged) murder is far more important than another for hiding the clothes worn at (the alleged) crime by the (alleged) perpetrator… (ie the “big fish” – see I know crime 😉

Well he’d probably do better here in Canberra than Miami…. hell he rarely stabs someone more than 57 times in fact he’d consider it a gross over kill to do so unlike some judges in the ACT who see it as a normal part of mother-son relations.

Sleaz274, Dexter is a very bad influence on you I think!

My mate received a 12 month suspended sentence for blowing 0.054 on ANZAC day last year. He had a completely clean record for 6 years prior. This is sentence is absolute bullsh#t. Again.

When the very institutions we rely on to provide protection and punishment fails so regularly it rests with the people to once again correct the balance…… anyone else watch dexter???

Ian said :

Can someone explain where the punishment is in a suspended sentence? It escapes me.

The idea behind a suspended sentence is that, well…we could have sent you to jail for this long…but we didn’t…in fact you will get no punishment at all…so OK…I hope that taught you a lesson

Suspended sentences are normally “suspended” for a period of time, say one/two years, on the condition that the person not re-offend. If they re-offend the suspended sentence can be reinstated. But I say can, not will be reinstated. On reoffending, suspended sentences are very rarely activated, and if they do, it is usually only part of the sentence that is reinstated, not all of it.

Can someone explain where the punishment is in a suspended sentence? It escapes me.

The magistrates and judges must be under instruction not to put anyone away to save money or something.

When was the last time someone in the ACT got a custodial sentence and what was it for? Not trying to be smart arse or anything – just curious.

So I really hope every Police Officer and every member of the SES who spent 3 days crawling through a top full of Household refuse write to the Magistrate Karen and thank her for providing absolutely no disincentive to every other low life who wants to try perverting the course of justice.

If she hid the instruments of torture in the Ferret case she’d be inside by now.

The ABC article quite carefully does not state that she got the sentence for the stated crime. The wording suggests to me that the most serious charge didn’t stick and she got the sentence for a lesser charge.

C’mon guys, we have to give consideration to her chances at rehabilitation, her human rights, this being a really trivial offence (it’s not like she didn’t complete her tax return). I, as member of this community, would most certainly love to have a neighbour as supporting as her!!

Who am I kidding…..how can any of the above apply?!?!

I second Gungahlin Al’s remarks. Astounding.

Makes one wonder why a new prison was needed at all: no one ever seems to get sentenced to actual jail time!

Yes well of course. She only tried to cover up a murder. It’s not like she stabbed a ferret with a syringe or anything.

Yeah, ‘cos the SES just love getting to search the tip for three days I’m sure. The police are maybe used to it?

I’m not normally one to be baying for jail time on this forum, but I really am starting to wonder just how grievous a crime has to be to see someone in the slammer in this town?

So this woman aided and abetted a murderer? Actions that may well have led to a murderer getting away with it. And that’s just a slap and on your way penalty?

Good to see the courts helping out with the overcrowding of the remand centre…