ACCIONA Energy announces Molonglo Wind Farm not viable investment

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A project which is not going ahead. Is it as simple as the company deciding that the site wasn’t perfect, or were they scared off by the sound of nimbys wielding bananas?
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Molonglo Landscape Guardians
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So, I have two issues to discuss with this post;
1: “It’s just too close to people’s homes…..
Exactly where do people think that electricity is used? These things should be as close to homes as possible.

2: What would be better, Wind turbines where they were proposed (or similar location close to Canberra) OR the gas fired generator in Hume* (or a similar location in the region)?
* May or may not actually be the suburb of Hume.

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15 Responses to ACCIONA Energy announces Molonglo Wind Farm not viable investment
Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 6:36 pm 02 Jun 08

The reality is that if producers don’t start passing on all of the costs of generating power like they do for any other consumable, we’re all f.cked. Wind power has 70-80% public support in Germany, even with the extra costs (about 17 euro per household per year to move to 20% wind by 2020).

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 5:06 pm 02 Jun 08

… unfortunately, fnaah, they would pass that cost to consumers, which would contribute to rising costs and inflation, making them, and the govt, extremely unpopular.

Saving the planet is good and all, but the realities of life need to be considered also.

fnaah fnaah 4:38 pm 02 Jun 08

“not a viable investment”.

I bet if the government spent some money and built it/ran it themselves, *then* imposed a carbon tax (thus making everything else a bad investment), they’d be making a truckload of money and have power gen companies banging down the door to try and buy pieces of it.

*And* they’d be helping save the planet.

RuffnReady RuffnReady 4:18 pm 02 Jun 08

amaroo – you’re not dreaming.

As an adjunct to the Germany discussion, about 20% of Denmark’s power comes from wind. They have proven that you can run a significant proportion of your grid on wind alone.

CSIRO has mapped the entire country for wind and knows exactly where we should be siting them for maximum efficacy. The more widely geographically distributed the wind farms, the more reliable they become (ie. the higher capacity factor). Wind farms have the smallest land footprint of any electricity generating technology, even if you include the roads necessary for construction and servicing. The property values and noise arguments are utter bullshit.

Why this country isn’t embarking on a national 20% of the grid by 2020 wind power strategy I will never understand. If the carbon price comes in a t $30/ton, wind at current prices will be about the same price, if it comes in a t $40/ton, wind will be cheaper. Constructing and maintaining the infrastructure will generate jobs and secondary industry investment. And best of all, the environmental impact is negligible, certainly lower than fossil fuel stations which pollute through both mining and the combustion process.

*bangs head against wall*


amarooresident amarooresident 1:39 pm 02 Jun 08

That’s what gets me about this debate. If WMC’s stats are right and a country as small as Germany can produce that much energy from windfarms, surely to God in a vast country like ours there is the space, wit and innovation to make it work here. Or am I just dreaming?

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 10:18 pm 01 Jun 08

Sorry – that’s 28,000 MW from onshore farms, not 8,000 MW. According to Wikipedia, Germany’s installed capacity in 2007 was 22,247 MW. That’s 7% of the country’s energy use, or 25-30% of the power of the three federal states in which they tend to be located, creating 64,000 jobs.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 10:05 pm 01 Jun 08

Germany has over 11,000 wind turbines. By 2020 it wants 8,000 MW of power from onshore windfarms and 20,000 MW of power from offshore windfarms in the Baltic and North Sea. Maybe they should invade Wales and show them how to do it right.

Deano Deano 9:15 pm 01 Jun 08

What convinced me wind power wasn’t the answer was when I was over at Anglesey in Wales UK. Over there they have 72 wind turbines that produce 35MW of power when the wind is blowing. The wind farm covers some 600 hectares in total. Ironically the best place to view them from is the relatively small nearby nuclear power station which happens to continuously produce 980MW. No contest really.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 8:40 pm 01 Jun 08

The real question is this: can I buy some some rural land and lease it to the power companies to build wind farms? I can smell an investment coming on!

I don’t give two craps if someone thinks it’s ugly!

Thumper Thumper 8:19 pm 01 Jun 08

Well wrap me up in an ermine coat and call me a stoat but I hate wind generators.

Solar however, should be utilized a lot more than it is In fact an injection of funds into solar R&D would seem a prudent thing to do in a place like canberra whuch seems to have about 350 days per year of sun.

Whatsup Whatsup 6:31 pm 01 Jun 08

OK, call me a POIMBY (Put One In My Back Yard) because I think they are a brilliant idea.

Headbonius Headbonius 6:15 pm 01 Jun 08

I think wind farms are a great idea. Build them on the highest hill, make their towers really short so that their super sharp blades sweep the ground and then place bait irresitable to Eastern Grey kangaroos at their base…………Brilliant…..Eco-friendly power and roo-culling at the same time.

shiny flu shiny flu 5:51 pm 01 Jun 08

Wind turbines to have their disadvantages to wildlife- they cast shadows and confuse particular animals about the time of day.

However, to any NIMBY wielding this excuse as their sword should also be asked the question: and a fossil fuel power station doesn’t have an impact?

Regardless, if one would travel to Germany you’d be thinking the entire place was as green as the grass. You see wind farms everywhere (bar the alps) in the middle of farm land. Since 80 million people cram into half the area of NSW, if you don’t live in a city and it’s relatively flat, you live near a wind farm.

The excuse that windfarms devalue property is a fallacy. Wind farms are a fact of life, saying that they’re ugly simply shows how narrow-minded a person is.


Deano Deano 4:04 pm 01 Jun 08

And where does the right that nothing should be allowed to adversely affect your property price come from? I’d like to extend that to other assets and protest against Ford releasing a new model of the Falcon because it will instantly devalue the car I bought last year.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

How many kilowatts would you get if you burned a nimby?

Don’t need to, they are already full of hot air.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 2:24 pm 01 Jun 08

Can’t they just reflect solar energy from the moon or something? Oh wait, that’s too close to people’s homes, and we’d have to make sure we consulted everybody on the entire planet.

If somebody offered cold fusion in something the size of a matchbox, these people would find something whinge about. “The rectangular shape reminds me of the brutal architecture of white male oppressors. Can’t you make it look more like a womb? And do we have to call it “power”? Can’t we call it “empowered transference” instead?”

How many kilowatts would you get if you burned a nimby?

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