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ACT schools violent?

By nyssa76 25 September 2006 69

In today’s The Australian you will see a letter from Mr. Steve Pratt re: Literacy, however, he goes off on a rather different tangent after the 1st paragraph, lambasting teachers, unions the departmental leftists, PC Uni lecturers and the P&C (see below).

Basically he states that school P&Cs are being influenced by the Labor Party (bullshit), that the lack of academic rigour is the reason behind the exodus to Non-Government schools (try school closures and lack of adequate funding to match Non-Government schools) and my personal favourite, a lack of values education – didn’t the PM push this as a requirement before releasing education funding?

Then he goes on re: lack of discipline – see Education Act 2004 which your party assisted in pushing through the LA.

And finally, the level of violence in ACT Government schools is “disturbing”, having heard it informally. I’ve seen it, experienced it and spoken to other teachers on it and it’s minimal. He’s tarring the 99% of good students with this violence crap.

Last time I looked, he wasn’t the Shadow Education Minister, and really shouldn’t pass comment at all.


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Gerry-Built 2:58 pm 01 Oct 06

You know what? On the ‘to hit’ or ‘not-to-hit’ (and by ‘hit’ I *obviously* mean spanking… parents’ should be allowed to make up their own mind, but it should be an informed decision. Read widely (for eg Dr Green makes some very good points against), but don’t judge others for their decision. Besides, it probably isn’t your children that are a problem, because you have consciously made the decision to do or not to do. It is more likely the parents who use a frypan to hit their children beacuse they were worried they’d do more damage with their fists that have the “1%” child. At least all of you (that posted) and have children) show enough concern for your kids to have made the decision and are prepared to defend it.

nyssa76 9:52 am 27 Sep 06

BK, I’ve already said that I use smacking as a last resort. Why don’t you learn to read.

As for the asking your advice, seeing as you “know” everything about children, give us all an insight into your superiority as a parent/supernanny.

Oh and FYI, as a teacher I would lose my job if I was abusive towards any child, including my own.

simto put it more succintly, so addy up with an answer.

VYBerlinaV8 9:51 am 27 Sep 06

Smacking is only useful for smaller children, when you need to communicate an instant consequence. Shab is right: as kids grow older their capacity for reasoning develops, and the concepts of loss of privilege, or loss of a favourite toy, or pocket money, or whatever become far more useful. As kids get older they begin to value things, which is them used as leverage for managing behaviour. Smacking is the option you use when other methods fail. The trick is to use is very rarely, but do it if you threaten to do so. That way the child ends up with an expectation that if they escalate the undesirable behaviour, a smack might come. Because you use it rarely, the threat is worse than the smack. The threat is then a major tool for behavioural compliance.

Here endeth the lesson.

Mr_Shab 9:22 am 27 Sep 06

Well and good when you’re dealing with older kids – but little kids have pretty simple outlooks on things (i.e good/bad, not many shades of grey). It’s difficult to have an abstract discussion about respect for others and that you can’t always get what you want right now with a three year old.

Say when little Tarquin just lost his temper and twatted little Jacinta with a stick cause she wouldn’t hand over her Tonka truck.

(And BK – don’t try and tell me that a kid who isn’t smacked will never resort to violence.)

When a kid gets older and has a more sophisticated capacity for reasoning, then smacking probably isn’t needed any more. Like I said, I was smacked as a kid, but that stopped pretty early.

Absent Diane 8:59 am 27 Sep 06

Nail it on the head, by instilling repsect into them, when they do something wrong they are duly punished. There is never a need to hit a child. and don’t give me that hit and smack rubbish.. that area is way to grey.

Mr_Shab 8:55 am 27 Sep 06

And I say again, AD – you can’t see them all coming.

Absent Diane 8:53 am 27 Sep 06

Simto thats easy. Nail it on the head before it happens.

simto 8:49 am 27 Sep 06

To re-argue Nyssa’s point, we could express it thus:

“It seems unlikely, given your lack of parenting experience, that you’d know how to help. However, as a test exercise, how would you deal with a child who was persistently intransigent in a particular area?”

BattleKath 8:40 am 27 Sep 06

Nyssa, I know that i was never smacked as a child, and therefore there are OBVIOUSLY other ways to deal with bad behaviour. You don’t NEED to smack your children.

First you’re telling me that i couldn’t possibly know how to parent, yet then you’re asking me to give you solutions to your problems… make up your mind…

You’re all obviously ok with smacking your children, and are chosing to parent that way… I don’t have children, but i know that when i do i will never smack them. i don’t hit my pets, and i will NEVER hit my children.

Absent Diane 8:11 am 27 Sep 06

anyone who is a parent of young children (under23) has equally as little say as someone with no children..because you can’t honestly say that your parenting techniques are good until the outcome of your children.

miz 10:21 pm 26 Sep 06

Nyssa, sorry only just caught back up with this thread – the year 12 results are in the CT every year. I’m going from memory, narrabundah college have been top for several years and McKillop bottom.

vancouver 7:56 pm 26 Sep 06

To this day I’ve never heard a comment worth noting from Steve Pratt. As someone who was educated for 9 years in a private school and who taught for 18 years in the government system, and who had her children educated in the government system, I have first hand experience of the lengths to which government schools go to ensure that all children receive a fair hearing, that violence is absolutely not accepted, and that teachers and pupils are accepted for their contributions to the school academically, in sport, in other activities such as debating, art, music and drama, and that the depth of a parent’s wallet has no influence on the standard to which all children are educated. I get so sick of the constant criticisms pf public education. I believe one of the best supportive comments in regard to public education comes from my daughter, “”I never notice the colour of a person’s skin or their facial features – they’re all just people to me””. This is what public education is all about.

nyssa76 5:51 pm 26 Sep 06

Oh and BK, you haven’t given me a better solution to the child and the light switch.

I ask this because EVERY child tries to do it. So what is your solution Dr. BK?

nyssa76 5:45 pm 26 Sep 06

BK, yeah ok.

Being a child doesn’t mean you know how to parent a child.

Quit while you’re ahead.

Absent Diane 4:40 pm 26 Sep 06

I in no way believe that children are little adults.

I also know of plenty of parents that don’t ever smack their children and their children are as delightful as a child can get. I have also known parents that don’t smack their children and their children are little shits. The one defining difference I have noticed is the amount of attention a parent pays a child. And it seems like the more attention a child gets the better the more well behaved they are.

Mr_Shab 4:31 pm 26 Sep 06

AD, you’re missing the point that the pro-smackers are making
1. There’s a lot of daylight between smacking a kid for doing something really bad and beating the tar out of a them cause they’ve pissed you off. One is discipline, one is abuse.
2. Smacking is a last resort
3. Smacking is not something any decent parent enjoys.

“Maybe if you are reduced to hitting your children, you aren’t doing your job properly as a parent??”

That’s a rather patronising statement. A kid is a naive sentient being, not fully capable of thinking in a logical and rational manner. You’re commiting the fallacy of assuming that a kid is just a “little adult”.

You can’t expect them to do everything right first time. You can’t perceive all of the things they could potentially do wrong and warn them beforehand – let alone expect them to understand the consequences of their actions based on that.

Smacking, as VY said, is just another arrow in the quiver. You just have to be aware that it’s always the last one you pull out.

emd 3:10 pm 26 Sep 06

I have kids, I don’t hit them, their behaviour is on the good side of average compared to other kids their age, they do understand about consequences and limits for acceptable behaviour.

But back on the topic of the Pratt’s letter:
The drift from public to private schools is probably more complex than the Pratt makes it out to be. It will take more than anecdotal evidence to convince me that we should make wholesale changes to the high school public system in Canberra.

Thumper 3:10 pm 26 Sep 06

‘Hitting and ‘smacking’ hold very different meanings…

Absent Diane 3:06 pm 26 Sep 06

haha stressed parent syndrome. Its funny how you people love to tell others how wrong they are.. but when someone comes on and mentions that perhaps there are alternatives to hitting children then you get all fired up.

Maybe if you are reduced to hitting your children, you aren’t doing your job properly as a parent?? plausible??

Danman 2:59 pm 26 Sep 06

Who are you to say that smacking is violence – furthermore – you said you did not need to be smacked when you were a child. Then who are you to say that all children are created equal to you ?

Im not a parent either – I am looking at starting a family very soon – I dont have children of my own – but unlike yourself – I am not blind.

Not all children are equal in their behaviourial traits.

So why discipline all kids with the same methods.

if I deem that the situation requires more than stern words – then as a last resort a smack will suffice – Just because I believe in smacking dont make me a child abuser – Im firm but FAIR.

There is – repeat IS a difference between smacking a child for disipline and loosing your cool and beating the dirt out of them.

and BK why can we not say “I was smacked as a child and I turned out fine”

What is wrong with stating pure hard fact ?

I was smacked when I was a child – and I turned out fine – I think smacking is good – because sure as shit – if i ever got smacked for something – aint no way in hell I would do that again.

Get over it – different methods for different situations – your kids are going to be walking all over you.

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