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ACT schools violent?

By nyssa76 25 September 2006 69

In today’s The Australian you will see a letter from Mr. Steve Pratt re: Literacy, however, he goes off on a rather different tangent after the 1st paragraph, lambasting teachers, unions the departmental leftists, PC Uni lecturers and the P&C (see below).

Basically he states that school P&Cs are being influenced by the Labor Party (bullshit), that the lack of academic rigour is the reason behind the exodus to Non-Government schools (try school closures and lack of adequate funding to match Non-Government schools) and my personal favourite, a lack of values education – didn’t the PM push this as a requirement before releasing education funding?

Then he goes on re: lack of discipline – see Education Act 2004 which your party assisted in pushing through the LA.

And finally, the level of violence in ACT Government schools is “disturbing”, having heard it informally. I’ve seen it, experienced it and spoken to other teachers on it and it’s minimal. He’s tarring the 99% of good students with this violence crap.

Last time I looked, he wasn’t the Shadow Education Minister, and really shouldn’t pass comment at all.

What’s Your opinion?


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Gerry-Built 2:58 pm 01 Oct 06

You know what? On the ‘to hit’ or ‘not-to-hit’ (and by ‘hit’ I *obviously* mean spanking… parents’ should be allowed to make up their own mind, but it should be an informed decision. Read widely (for eg Dr Green makes some very good points against), but don’t judge others for their decision. Besides, it probably isn’t your children that are a problem, because you have consciously made the decision to do or not to do. It is more likely the parents who use a frypan to hit their children beacuse they were worried they’d do more damage with their fists that have the “1%” child. At least all of you (that posted) and have children) show enough concern for your kids to have made the decision and are prepared to defend it.

nyssa76 9:52 am 27 Sep 06

BK, I’ve already said that I use smacking as a last resort. Why don’t you learn to read.

As for the asking your advice, seeing as you “know” everything about children, give us all an insight into your superiority as a parent/supernanny.

Oh and FYI, as a teacher I would lose my job if I was abusive towards any child, including my own.

simto put it more succintly, so addy up with an answer.

VYBerlinaV8 9:51 am 27 Sep 06

Smacking is only useful for smaller children, when you need to communicate an instant consequence. Shab is right: as kids grow older their capacity for reasoning develops, and the concepts of loss of privilege, or loss of a favourite toy, or pocket money, or whatever become far more useful. As kids get older they begin to value things, which is them used as leverage for managing behaviour. Smacking is the option you use when other methods fail. The trick is to use is very rarely, but do it if you threaten to do so. That way the child ends up with an expectation that if they escalate the undesirable behaviour, a smack might come. Because you use it rarely, the threat is worse than the smack. The threat is then a major tool for behavioural compliance.

Here endeth the lesson.

Mr_Shab 9:22 am 27 Sep 06

Well and good when you’re dealing with older kids – but little kids have pretty simple outlooks on things (i.e good/bad, not many shades of grey). It’s difficult to have an abstract discussion about respect for others and that you can’t always get what you want right now with a three year old.

Say when little Tarquin just lost his temper and twatted little Jacinta with a stick cause she wouldn’t hand over her Tonka truck.

(And BK – don’t try and tell me that a kid who isn’t smacked will never resort to violence.)

When a kid gets older and has a more sophisticated capacity for reasoning, then smacking probably isn’t needed any more. Like I said, I was smacked as a kid, but that stopped pretty early.

Absent Diane 8:59 am 27 Sep 06

Nail it on the head, by instilling repsect into them, when they do something wrong they are duly punished. There is never a need to hit a child. and don’t give me that hit and smack rubbish.. that area is way to grey.

Mr_Shab 8:55 am 27 Sep 06

And I say again, AD – you can’t see them all coming.

Absent Diane 8:53 am 27 Sep 06

Simto thats easy. Nail it on the head before it happens.

simto 8:49 am 27 Sep 06

To re-argue Nyssa’s point, we could express it thus:

“It seems unlikely, given your lack of parenting experience, that you’d know how to help. However, as a test exercise, how would you deal with a child who was persistently intransigent in a particular area?”

BattleKath 8:40 am 27 Sep 06

Nyssa, I know that i was never smacked as a child, and therefore there are OBVIOUSLY other ways to deal with bad behaviour. You don’t NEED to smack your children.

First you’re telling me that i couldn’t possibly know how to parent, yet then you’re asking me to give you solutions to your problems… make up your mind…

You’re all obviously ok with smacking your children, and are chosing to parent that way… I don’t have children, but i know that when i do i will never smack them. i don’t hit my pets, and i will NEVER hit my children.

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