AFP traffic Quota?

ExFeds 11 February 2010 71

Does anyone know whether the ACT Police has a “quota” for traffic fines? Are their members expected to hand out a certain number each month?


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buzz819 buzz819 8:19 am 17 Feb 10

ExFeds said :

ozmreeee said :

AFP Traffc quota? I am happy to take advice from those in the AFP that there isn’t one, but who cares if there is? There’s a simple formula:

Has there been any media release from the AFP stating this anywhere?

Why do you care?

ExFeds ExFeds 7:15 am 17 Feb 10

ozmreeee said :

AFP Traffc quota? I am happy to take advice from those in the AFP that there isn’t one, but who cares if there is? There’s a simple formula:

Has there been any media release from the AFP stating this anywhere?

annoyedcan annoyedcan 9:30 pm 16 Feb 10

There is no need for a quota in the ACT since nearly all Canberra people can’t see the car with the words Police or the Speed Camera Signs.

I remember when 104.7 travelled with ACT Police. They could not give the money away because everyone was breaking the rules. They just pulled someone over who was polite and gave them the money.

ozmreeee ozmreeee 1:42 pm 16 Feb 10

AFP Traffc quota? I am happy to take advice from those in the AFP that there isn’t one, but who cares if there is? There’s a simple formula:

Don’t break the law = No fine

… and this formula works irrespective of whether or not there is a quota.

PS Disagreeing with the law does not mean you can ignore it – don’t like a law then join the mad mob in the Legislative Assembly and change it.

Special G Special G 9:20 am 16 Feb 10

ExFeds said :

Everyone is assuming tickets relate to speed. Speeding is very limited on the list of summary offence that are available for the issuing of tickets….Check these:

Driving manner – On nature strip / on foot path / unsecure load / ….etc…
Bikes – carry more than one person / ride without using hands / too close to car
Bus – Eat on a bus / litter on bus / consume liquor on bus
Pedestrians – you can guess all these RED MAN!
Taxi – Driver and cab not clean and tidy / drive shortest route / Move while door open
Give way – about 100 here! Licence issues – heaps! Overtaking! The list is almost endless….

A personal favorite – Getting towed by a car whilst using a wheeled toy HAHAHAHA

There are about 700 that I have read and doubt even the cops know about this many.

I’m sure one of them would take the time to find one fitting for you.

buzz819 buzz819 8:43 am 16 Feb 10

ExFeds said :

Everyone is assuming tickets relate to speed. Speeding is very limited on the list of summary offence that are available for the issuing of tickets….Check these:

Driving manner – On nature strip / on foot path / unsecure load / ….etc…
Bikes – carry more than one person / ride without using hands / too close to car
Bus – Eat on a bus / litter on bus / consume liquor on bus
Pedestrians – you can guess all these RED MAN!
Taxi – Driver and cab not clean and tidy / drive shortest route / Move while door open
Give way – about 100 here! Licence issues – heaps! Overtaking! The list is almost endless….

A personal favorite – Getting towed by a car whilst using a wheeled toy HAHAHAHA

There are about 700 that I have read and doubt even the cops know about this many.

Do you know what a wheeled toy is? Did there is an infringement for not paying for a taxi, not stopping at a yellow light, no seatbelt, going straight at a right turn only lane.

You forgot to add, burnout and race, traffic light offences, vehicle – mechanical.

I think you will find that a lot of Police drive around with a list of traffic offences. Yet you still say that handing out Traffic Infringement Notices is only because they are told to.

Why don’t you join so that you can help solve the problem?

Come on ExFeds, tell us, are you ex AFP?? I’ve asked it 4 times now, you expect to get answers from others, whats you answer?

ExFeds ExFeds 7:22 am 16 Feb 10

Everyone is assuming tickets relate to speed. Speeding is very limited on the list of summary offence that are available for the issuing of tickets….Check these:

Driving manner – On nature strip / on foot path / unsecure load / ….etc…
Bikes – carry more than one person / ride without using hands / too close to car
Bus – Eat on a bus / litter on bus / consume liquor on bus
Pedestrians – you can guess all these RED MAN!
Taxi – Driver and cab not clean and tidy / drive shortest route / Move while door open
Give way – about 100 here! Licence issues – heaps! Overtaking! The list is almost endless….

A personal favorite – Getting towed by a car whilst using a wheeled toy HAHAHAHA

There are about 700 that I have read and doubt even the cops know about this many.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 3:16 pm 15 Feb 10

Also, you really should be addressing me as Reverend Jones, rather than Mr Jones … but I’ll let that slide.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 3:06 pm 15 Feb 10

James – apologies if you read my rant as being directed at you, I was using your comment “Speed fines are simply a revenue device” as a launching pad against the usual whining and bad faith arguments about speeding fines.

Personally, I really don’t care what you do when you’re in your car, as long as it doesn’t affect my safety.

James-T-Kirk James-T-Kirk 1:34 pm 15 Feb 10

Jim Jones said :

James-T-Kirk said :

Speed fines are simply a revenue device

If you don’t speed, you won’t get a ticket (or, if you insist, “you won’t be contributing to government revenue”).

It’s not rocket-science. In fact, there are massive signs everywhere that explain precisely how to avoid “contributing to revenue”. It’s not like everyone hasn’t had this explained to them repetitively from the moment you start driving lessons.

Rather than everyone having to listen to endless whining about how “speeding is blah blah blah my tax dollars blah blah blah damn gummint blah blah blah”, everyone could attempt to use their damn brains once in a while and NOT contribute to the revenue by keeping to the speed limit.

From the looks of how often these threads pop up, the whole speed limit thing is actually an intelligence test: an intelligence test that many people just can’t figure out.

Perhaps I should try to explain it to you:

a) if you are caught going over the posted speed limit, then you will be fined

b) if you wish to avoid being fined, don’t go over the posted speed limit.

There we go – no need for endless diversions about the cause of accidents and road quality and all the rest. It’s painfully simple.

If you receive a speeding fine, it’s because you’re obviously too stupid to figure out how the rules work. In this instance, my suggestion would be to suck it up and act like an adult. Attempting to deflect responsibility (particularly when the rules are completely unambiguous and have been explained over and over and over again) is not the attitude of a responsible adult; it is the sort of thing that a particularly poorly raised, particularly stupid child would attempt.

SIGH!

Mr Jones,

I am sad to let you down on a number of points.

1) I do not contribute to the revenue collected in this manner.
2) I do whatever speed I feel like at the time.
3) This speed is highly unlikely to match the ‘recommended maximum’ suggested by the signs.

4) And sadly, I am intelligent, and can use a komputa.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 12:12 pm 15 Feb 10

James-T-Kirk said :

Speed fines are simply a revenue device

If you don’t speed, you won’t get a ticket (or, if you insist, “you won’t be contributing to government revenue”).

It’s not rocket-science. In fact, there are massive signs everywhere that explain precisely how to avoid “contributing to revenue”. It’s not like everyone hasn’t had this explained to them repetitively from the moment you start driving lessons.

Rather than everyone having to listen to endless whining about how “speeding is blah blah blah my tax dollars blah blah blah damn gummint blah blah blah”, everyone could attempt to use their damn brains once in a while and NOT contribute to the revenue by keeping to the speed limit.

From the looks of how often these threads pop up, the whole speed limit thing is actually an intelligence test: an intelligence test that many people just can’t figure out.

Perhaps I should try to explain it to you:

a) if you are caught going over the posted speed limit, then you will be fined

b) if you wish to avoid being fined, don’t go over the posted speed limit.

There we go – no need for endless diversions about the cause of accidents and road quality and all the rest. It’s painfully simple.

If you receive a speeding fine, it’s because you’re obviously too stupid to figure out how the rules work. In this instance, my suggestion would be to suck it up and act like an adult. Attempting to deflect responsibility (particularly when the rules are completely unambiguous and have been explained over and over and over again) is not the attitude of a responsible adult; it is the sort of thing that a particularly poorly raised, particularly stupid child would attempt.

Clown Killer Clown Killer 12:04 pm 15 Feb 10

Why would the police need a quota when there are plenty of idiots driving around, in fact one would suspect enough to completely fill a days work.

+1

I would imagine that the Canberra driving public would present the AFP with more than enough opportunity to get through a book of infringement notices a shift. I doubt that they go looking for extra work.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 11:33 am 15 Feb 10

sloppery said :

Not to be rude, but what does this have to do with potential quotas? Everyone knows the cops have a difficult job, and that if you break the law you can reasonably expect consequences – these things aren’t being debated. The question of how police performance is measured is what we are discussing…

My comment was in response to the usual comments about revenue-raising and fines being given out to fill quotas.

Thumper Thumper 10:40 am 15 Feb 10

Here’s a thought.

Why would the police need a quota when there are plenty of idiots driving around, in fact one would suspect enough to completely fill a days work.

James-T-Kirk James-T-Kirk 10:16 am 15 Feb 10

buzz819 said :

Are you trying to say that the ACT Government has told the AFP to go and tell all the detectives, the tactical boys and Kenny Koala that they have to give out a certain number of tickets?

I think you need your head read.

On top of that calling the Police cretins because your wife was speeding? Where was she speeding, where was the Police officer, what was her attitude towards the Police officer, were you in the car?

Hmmm – I have probably miss stated my thoughts. Firstly understand that not all POLICE are doing the same job!

Let me make it clear. I FIRMLY believe that there is some measurement process in place for police. In the case of the tactical boys, then it is probably something along the lines of time taken to control a situation. In the case of Kenny, it is probably something like time spent at community events. In the case of the detectives, it is probably around number of cases worked on per period of time. Those are all real, measurable things.

Now, the police in the cars that cruise the highways…. We really shouldn’t measure the number of doughnuts they eat, so we can oonly measure the number of ticakes they write. Thats their job.. Remember that they didn’t make it up to the dizying height of detectives, and that’s perfectly ok.

sloppery sloppery 10:13 am 15 Feb 10

Deadmandrinking said :

God, will the conspiracy theory never end?

Don’t break the law and you won’t get a fine. It’s not like their hauling your arses off to the clink for going 20 over the speed limit. If you speed, you increase the risk of an accident, which can have a toll not just on the victims, but the victim’s family and friends, and the person who was responsible.

Every murder in the ACT is investigated. Every reported break-in, police attend. Every reported assault, police investigate.

Sure they don’t catch the offenders every time, but most of the offenders don’t commit their crime in front of police. Just because you suck at being a criminal, it doesn’t mean the police are out to get you.

Not to be rude, but what does this have to do with potential quotas? Everyone knows the cops have a difficult job, and that if you break the law you can reasonably expect consequences – these things aren’t being debated. The question of how police performance is measured is what we are discussing…

James-T-Kirk James-T-Kirk 10:05 am 15 Feb 10

Tooks said :

James-T-Kirk said :

Now – tell me that the cretin wasn’t looking *anywhere* for a quick fine to issue….

Isn’t the cretin the one who copped the fine?

“How dare he fine me; I was only breaking the law a little bit.”

That is an amazing assertion.

A speedometer is a measuring device. As with all devices, there is a measurement error. A set of limits around how the device actually functions. To fine somebody because if an error of 5% is a bit rude.. how was she to know that she was speeding – if her error was 5%, then her speedo would have indicated 60, while her car was doing 63….. Oh No!!!

Speed fines are simply a revenue device – Australian governments are well known internationally for being extremely enthusiastic about nailing everything on speed.

Remember the 50 zones… They were originally installed as a TRIAL, and when the trial was over (ie they had been demonstrated to NOT CHANGE ANYTHING), it was decided to just leave them in, as it would cost too much to remove the signs…..

Why not actually get to the issue at hand. Driver education, not blind obedience to the speedo.

Yes, I completely agree that SPEED IS A FACTOR in all accidents… If they were only traveling a 0km/h, then there would be no accident…

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 8:30 am 15 Feb 10

God, will the conspiracy theory never end?

Don’t break the law and you won’t get a fine. It’s not like their hauling your arses off to the clink for going 20 over the speed limit. If you speed, you increase the risk of an accident, which can have a toll not just on the victims, but the victim’s family and friends, and the person who was responsible.

Every murder in the ACT is investigated. Every reported break-in, police attend. Every reported assault, police investigate.

Sure they don’t catch the offenders every time, but most of the offenders don’t commit their crime in front of police. Just because you suck at being a criminal, it doesn’t mean the police are out to get you.

ExFeds ExFeds 6:38 am 15 Feb 10

Where are the Police when you really need them?

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 8:35 pm 14 Feb 10

ExFeds said :

VG what station do you work at?

He said on more than one occasion he’s happy to beat you up if you turn up at the Charnwood PCYC on certain nights, if that helps.

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