Alistair Coe picking at the cycleways

johnboy 2 February 2009 40

The Liberals’ Alistair Coe is wondering aloud why Ginninderra Drive is being messed around to duplicate a cycle path:

    Alistair Coe has expressed concern as to why a road lane has been removed on Ginninderra Drive to make way for an on-road cycle path which is immediately adjacent to an off-road cycle path.

    The stretch of road affected is the part of Ginninderra Drive adjacent to Lake Ginninderra and the suburb of McKellar.

    “Whilst I recognise the contribution that cycling makes to improving health outcomes, reducing road congestion and cutting emissions of pollutants by taking cars off the roads, we must have a balanced approach to the expansion of the network,” Mr Coe said.

    “Creating on-road paths where off-road paths exist does nothing to expand the network.”

    “Rather than reduce emissions, the closure of a lane will increase congestion and may lead to more emissions.”

Are cyclists being used again to justify an un-related traffic management decision?


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maryhow maryhow 3:41 pm 05 Feb 09

Alistair who???

Slow news week…. glad we have a pommie sounding Lib in the assembly.

Surely he has better things to complain about sorry hold the Government to task on.

Didn’t think that there were too many Klansman riding bikes – yes of course the Young Libs all ride ladies bikes.

What happens when you put all the bullied kids from school in one group – you have the young libs.

what happens when you put all the whingers together – you get young labor.

Get some help all of you.

aronde aronde 6:32 pm 03 Feb 09

taco said :

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I also do not believe in dismounting at zebra crossings – it just slows everyone down. But I always slow down and look for cars, and if there are any cars coming I stop until I can see if they are going to stop or not.

The one occasion I did hop off the bike at a zebra crossing on a ‘turn left at any time with care lane’ I got yelled at by a driver to hurry the f*** up!

taco taco 4:43 pm 03 Feb 09

I feel fairly safe in the green lane on Belconnen Way just before it becomes Barry Drive, though I always indicate that I intend on using the green lane instead of veering left at the fork, and I’m usually doing 40 to 50km/h on that stretch so cars don’t have to slow down for that long – I get a bit more worried on green lanes that are uphill where I struggle to break 15km/h.
I also do not believe in dismounting at zebra crossings – it just slows everyone down. But I always slow down and look for cars, and if there are any cars coming I stop until I can see if they are going to stop or not. I’ve never seen another cyclist not slow down/stop at a Zebra crossing (and I don’t think I’ve seen one dismount for it either)

I believe the ACT government has a policy of marking cycle lanes on all major roads when they are resealed, but this does have the effect in the interim of causing the lanes to start and stop in the middle of nowhere.

We have flogged the on-road cycle lanes running parallel to off-road cycle lanes topic to death already – the off road lanes usually veer off somewhere completely different after their short stint parallel to the road with no easy way of getting on and off them

niftydog niftydog 10:56 am 03 Feb 09

tylersmayhem said :

…I certainly felt safer in cycle lanes.

Even on the green strips? On the odd occasion I’ve done that it felt like running out into no-man’s-land and realising you left the white flag back in the trench!

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 10:49 am 03 Feb 09

I doubt cyclists feel any safer or more legitimate just because there’s some lines painted on the road.

I don’t know about more “legit”, but I certainly felt safer in cycle lanes. I still find it weird how cyclists and motorists seem to be able to get along fine in just about every other city and country in the world – except Canberra!

Kramer Kramer 10:31 am 03 Feb 09

Deceit #9 – I am a bike rider and I do ride on the road occiasionally (I prefer to keep my tires on dirt). When it’s quiet (ie. no other cars around) I’ll run red lights, as bicycles don’t trigger most traffic lights. I’ll cross zebra crossings at full speed when there are no cars, or stop/slow when there are (95% of drivers will wave you across) – but I’ll never assume a car has seen me. As for the ‘bent riders looking like ‘tards – I’m sure you look like Jabba the Hut, and I hope you get a spot on the next season of the biggest loser.

Thumper Thumper 10:30 am 03 Feb 09

Indeed, good point.

What do other bike riders think about nifty’s view?

niftydog niftydog 10:24 am 03 Feb 09

That’s partially why I don’t use them. They seem to do nothing but draw the ire of motorists that, for some completely unknown reason, have it in for cyclists. In the good old days before the nanny state you just rode down the road and that was that. I don’t recall cycle-lane rage ever being a problem back then. I doubt cyclists feel any safer or more legitimate just because there’s some lines painted on the road.

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 10:04 am 03 Feb 09

That’s is bizarro – 200 metres of bike lane that starts in the middle of nowhere and ends slightly south of the middle of nowhere. Some lucky contractor laughed all the way to the bank that day.

This sounds new to some of you. You should try attempting to cycle in these lanes. It’s running the gauntlet of safe cycle lane, then a couple of hundred metres down the road, it ends abruptly and you’re sharing a car lane with agressive motorists. Don’t blame us next time dudes!

p1 p1 9:57 am 03 Feb 09

Even worse, it was a really wide road so there was heaps of room for cyclists anyway.

That is what is weird about Springvale Dr in Hawker. Massively wide road, people don’t park on it much, I don’t believe there has been a lot of carnage over the last thirty years, yet now they have spent three times the usual amount to have the lines re-done after sealing the road.

Thumper Thumper 9:43 am 03 Feb 09

Florey Drive MacGregor.

Another piece of bizarre line marking turening a road that flowed perfectly into a road that now stops and starts due to new lane markings.

Even worse, it was a really wide road so there was heaps of room for cyclists anyway.

niftydog niftydog 9:14 am 03 Feb 09

Gin02 said :

…the traffic line to turn on to William Webb extends beyond the turn right lane and ends just as the form one lane starts.

Oh what? Have they gone all the way back to there? Last I went past they had only resealed across the dam wall.

Snarky said :

…another case of traffic-calming measures…

I can’t see how jamming three lanes of traffic into two and removing the left-turn-only lane “calms” traffic! Perhaps Stanhopeless could spend some more of our money putting up another distracting artwork instead? Nothing like a good 4 car rear-ender to calm the traffic!

aronde said :

Springvale Drive in Hawker…

That’s is bizarro – 200 metres of bike lane that starts in the middle of nowhere and ends slightly south of the middle of nowhere. Some lucky contractor laughed all the way to the bank that day.

Pandy Pandy 7:33 am 03 Feb 09

Someone should write a letter to the editor of the Times about this. Always brings out the stinky push-bike nutters to defend how rightous they are. I love it!

New Yeah New Yeah 11:02 pm 02 Feb 09

All of these bike lanes are nothing but an absolute waste of time and effort.

When done well, bike lanes have great potential.

Heading north across Commonwealth bridge at 515pm in my car today I encountered a bit of a jam, got slowed down and was duly overtaken by a cyclist in the bike lane.

She was no slouch on the bike, but by no means was she Lance Armstrong either.

I lost sight of this lass and didn’t catch up to her until O’Connor as she continued trundling down the bike lane.

This was not a waste of time and effort on her part by any means – the bike lane really sped things up for her without comprising the flow of cars.

rephlex rephlex 10:19 pm 02 Feb 09

Care to explain how exactly they’re a waste of time? Or are you just going to make this statement with nothing to follow through with?

54-11 54-11 10:08 pm 02 Feb 09

All of these bike lanes are nothing but an absolute waste of time and effort.

As I said in an earlier thread on this issue, I’d vote No 1 for any politician or party that proposes to get rid of all these stupidities around this city.

bigred bigred 9:26 pm 02 Feb 09

Been watching the Streeton Dr treatment over the last few weeks. Really its an absolute shambles because it hasn’t slowed the traffic and the traffic is treating it as a sorta one and half lines – yes they straddle the lanes. Bet the same happens with Gininderra D. No point wingeing because no one is losing out.

Hey, another effort to watch out for is the construction on the intersection outside Belco mall. I think its Benjamin Way and Emu Bank. The contractors have put those plastic bollards up in such a way that when they park their trucks there as well anyone turning right out of Benjamin Way is playing Russian Roullette. I almost came to grief there earlier today.

Felix the Cat Felix the Cat 9:09 pm 02 Feb 09

Maybe a cycle lane could be justified if the cyclists obeyed basic road laws. I didnt realise cyclists were an exception to the law?

1. If you are on the road act as a car would and stop at a red light. Just because your a bike doesnt mean you can go through red lights or switch to a green pedestrian crossing.
This is just confusing everyone as you go off on your own self absorbed tangent.

Dry your eyes Princess, plenty of car drivers break the law as well by going through red lights or speeding. Not all bike riders break the law and not all car drivers break the law. The road rules apply to cyclists and motorists equally, a cyclist can be fined for running a red light. Doesn’t sound like you know the road rules yourself. Maybe you should go and study the rules again before post drivel like this and/or cause an accident due to your ignorance of the road rules.

2. Get off your bike if your crossing a zebra crossing. How obvious are the issues that present itself when you fly at full speed over a ped crossing?

Granted that it is against the law but in my experience most drivers get upset for holding them up the extra 20 seconds or so it takes to walk across the crossing so it is a win win situation to do as Niftydog suggested for cyclists to slow down and make eye contact with the drivers as they approach the crossing.

3. If your cycling on one of those bikes that looks like a rowing machine, you look like a fukin tard!

You possibly look like a fukin tard when driving your car but we won’t hold that against you.

youami youami 7:47 pm 02 Feb 09

Keep in mind that the ACT Government is probably going to go bankrupt in the next 5 years – they have to do the job of local and state governments and there is not enough money. I suggest that they may be trying to cut maintenance costs by using cheap gravel top for roads and reducing lanes so resurfacing is reduced. The population of ACT is only marginally larger than Blacktown City Council. Big wide roads, nice wide bridges, lots of green belts, bike paths, all cost money. Anyway, thought I would throw a slight slant to the discussion.

Special G Special G 7:24 pm 02 Feb 09

The Streeton Dr bike lane is ridiculous and then it just ends. Half the others are the same. The catch then is all the crap from the road ends up on the cycle lane and when resealing happens ala Belco way the cycle lane is only half done and then practically impossible to ride on for the gravel.

Al Coe has a point – some of the cycle lanes being put in place are crap.

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