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An Independent senator might give the ACT some sway

Impassive 18 July 2010 27

If the ACT wants to have any chance of having its legislation not tampered with by the Federal Government we need an Independent senator. Look at what Brian Harradine did for Tasmania – successive governments falling over backwards to get his vote.

Worst case scenario is that the numbers would mean that they would have no influence – same situation as now – a Labor senator who can’t vote to support the ACT if that goes against party lines, and a Liberal senator who wouldn’t if his vote made the difference and went against the wishes of his leader.

All we need now is a credible candidate. Any ideas?


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I-filed I-filed 7:29 pm 19 Jul 10

astrojax said :

I-filed said :

Add to that, failed ACT Greens candidates phoning the ABC when an adviser to the party, pretending to be “a person in the street” and commenting on issues without identifying themselves (you know who you are!)

but if the candidate failed, surely they are now actually a person in the street as much as you are?

This was actually before the candidature. Phoned a current affairs show while a Greens communications adviser, on a political issue involving the Greens, without identifying the connection.

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 7:12 pm 19 Jul 10

Bling on the election… 🙂

Thumper Thumper 12:07 pm 19 Jul 10

Thumper, CrankyGit is right. It wasn’t just one sign, it was half a dozen, plus a car on the side of the road with its doors open. More than enough to cause rubber-necker accordion effect right back to the other side of Hindmarsh.

Fair enough, but hardly a reason for not voting for someone. Either that or we expect some pretty low standards here in the ACT

🙂

dtc dtc 11:39 am 19 Jul 10

altkey said :

Although I hate to say it, I too will be voting Liberal at the election. The way that KRudd was disposed of by the ALP leaves a sick taste in my mouth and shows exactly what the ALP thinks of the voting population in this country.

Presumably you arent a public servant – as a whole they all breathed a huge sigh of relief that the K Rudd method of ‘management’ was – hopefully – going to disappear. Apologies if you are on the ‘inside’ and have a different opinnion, but the way things were being done was enough for me to start thinking of who else I could vote for (although unfortunately the alternatives go from worse to not as good as you think).

Apparently the swinging voters are lower middle class and less educated, according to the pollsters, while the middle class educated people are rusted on. This is because the wealthier you are the less you rely upon the govt; so you tend to vote for the party that matches your general outlook on life and people dont change their general outlook on life very often (whereas if you are relying on the govt for handouts or tax breaks etc, you vote for the party that offers you the most from election to election).

So, in reality, Canberrans (educated, wealthy – in a relative sense) are very unlikely to ever have a significant shift in voting patterns. Unless the ALP moves too far to the ‘right’ and gets a protest vote – but it would need to be a huge protest. Or the Libs moved to the ‘left’ on social issues – hence Malcom Turnbull is probably the Libs best bet to win more in Canberra (or Petero Georgiou!)

astrojax astrojax 11:12 am 19 Jul 10

I-filed said :

Add to that, failed ACT Greens candidates phoning the ABC when an adviser to the party, pretending to be “a person in the street” and commenting on issues without identifying themselves (you know who you are!)

but if the candidate failed, surely they are now actually a person in the street as much as you are?

fnaah fnaah 11:11 am 19 Jul 10

Thumper, CrankyGit is right. It wasn’t just one sign, it was half a dozen, plus a car on the side of the road with its doors open. More than enough to cause rubber-necker accordion effect right back to the other side of Hindmarsh.

Postalgeek Postalgeek 10:40 am 19 Jul 10

As cranky says, stuff the candidate’s stance on sustainability, health or education. They put a campaign sign on the side of a road that may, or more likely may not have, slowed traffic. That’s just Wrong. It’s worse than not supporting a dragway.

Cue the call for a benevolent dictatorship.

CrankyGit CrankyGit 10:19 am 19 Jul 10

Thumper said :

Canberra drivers slowing down to look at an election sign? I think not.

Drivers on the parkway will brake for any reason, sometimes even no reason at all. The fact that there was a vehicle and a bunch of signs on the roadside meant that drivers were slowing down because there was *something* there.

Thumper Thumper 9:46 am 19 Jul 10

Well, when I got to the Cotter Rd underpass, I was absolutely furious to see the traffic was all slowing down to rubberneck at about a dozen “Vote 1 Gary Humphries” signs on the side of the road. He obviously has no idea of the impact he is having, and I hope everyone was as disgusted as I was.

Canberra drivers slowing down to look at an election sign? I think not.

Mothy Mothy 9:41 am 19 Jul 10

altkey said :

Although I hate to say it, I too will be voting Liberal at the election. The way that KRudd was disposed of by the ALP leaves a sick taste in my mouth and shows exactly what the ALP thinks of the voting population in this country.

Seriously?

One – Unless you live in the seat of Griffith, you never voted for Kevin Rudd. You may however have voted for a member of the ALP party. They are still in power.

Two – Even if you disagree with the method of disposal, isn’t it better that the ALP replace the leader before the election (rather than after), and very soon after that replacement, move to call an election to allow the public to have their say on whether they want to vote for the ALP again, with the new leader?

Three – Are you arguing that the ALP should have let Kevin Rudd lead the party to an electoral defeat before they were allowed to replace him?

CrankyGit CrankyGit 9:09 am 19 Jul 10

After my experience this morning on the Parkway, I would be totally for anyone other than Senator Humphries. An Independent might be just what we need here in the ACT.

To give you some background on my frustration, driving to work this morning (along the parkway) the traffic suddenly started slowing down and banking up. Thinking it was an accident or breakdown I didn’t think much of it and tried to simply keep a steady pace going so as not to amplify problems.

Well, when I got to the Cotter Rd underpass, I was absolutely furious to see the traffic was all slowing down to rubberneck at about a dozen “Vote 1 Gary Humphries” signs on the side of the road. He obviously has no idea of the impact he is having, and I hope everyone was as disgusted as I was.

I’ll certainly be voting for change – any candidate that doesn’t have any regard for the public’s safety (It’s stupid stuff like that which causes accidents) doesn’t deserve to be voted for.

Thumper Thumper 8:42 am 19 Jul 10

If you want the pork, you have to be marginal.

Thus no pies for the ACT.

altkey altkey 7:24 am 19 Jul 10

+ I-filed

After being harrassed for years as a student whilst walking through Union Court, I vowed that I would never vote for the Greens. This decision has been cemented by the events of the past couple of years and the complete inability of this party to show that they are really different from the major parties.

Although I hate to say it, I too will be voting Liberal at the election. The way that KRudd was disposed of by the ALP leaves a sick taste in my mouth and shows exactly what the ALP thinks of the voting population in this country.

Maybe a marginal seat would be better – would have the effect of getting the attention of both of the major parties…does it work for Queanbeyan (and the rest of Eden Monaro)?

Mothy Mothy 12:03 am 19 Jul 10

Independent Senator for ACT = never happen.

Quota to get a Tasmanian Senator Elected vs. a Territory Senator substantially different.

You’d not need a credible candidate, you’d need a giant.

banjo271 banjo271 11:04 pm 18 Jul 10

I agree with housebound. Why do we chase Gary H, we need to make Labor take notice and not ignore us. Canberra seem to be dumb when it comes to voting. Just have a look next door at Eden Monaro and look at what gets thrown at them because they are a swinging seat. Lets GET UP and marginalise our reps seats. Make the government of the day take notice.
Look get rid of our only lib rep we will get absolutely nothing and be ignored by Labor.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 9:21 pm 18 Jul 10

Impassive, sounds very much like a call to Rod Quinn;s show last night. 🙂

Fair point, too. Can’t see it happening though.

Dr Strange Dr Strange 9:13 pm 18 Jul 10

I-Filed – it’s probably a pity that Andrew Bartlett is running in Queensland. Agree with the general sentiment expressed here though, the ALP takes the ACT for granted, campaign time by serious party members or fat of the land handouts like Eden-Monaro. Can anyone remember when a Labour leader campaigned in the ACT during an election? Until the local gumby’s actually vote for someone else (Greens or Independent) the ACT won’t be thought of twice and kicking the Public Service and Canberra is a vote winner everywhere else in the country. When an ALP Prime Minister does that it was the final straw for me to leave the CPSU.

One thought is that maybe the ACT Labour-Green government is unpopular enough that the burghers of Canberra will transfer that to the Federal realm. In the circles I travel in I rarely hear a positive word spoken about them.

bd84 bd84 8:10 pm 18 Jul 10

To be honest, Humphreys has done a decent job in his last term compared to Lundy (is that her name?) who pops up every now and then when something sporty comes up.

An independent is typically a vote for nothing, although there is the odd rare decent one, and they’re normally the ones sitting in the rural seats who actually fight for their local interests. The Greens have very little in the way of policies and are normally ones who jump up and down yelling, but not saying much of any interest. At this point, I would say a vote for either of these options would be a waste.

Tetranitrate Tetranitrate 6:39 pm 18 Jul 10

housebound said :

Credible candidate? Probably Democrats as any resurgence would get the incumbent parties worried.

The brand is trashed – there’s no point trying to resurrect the democrats.
A similar party could easily come up around someone like Nick Xenophon, who could pull at least another Senator up in South Australia if he tried – at least from that base it might be possible to have a party relevant and eventually competitive at a national level.

sexynotsmart sexynotsmart 6:28 pm 18 Jul 10

bobbatty said :

Yes, I agree we are destined to be ignored. But we must take some perspective in all this. We are just a small municipality in the scheme of things. We can’t expect to be a power in politics with our piss weak population. My suggestion is just to suck it – we’ll never have any influence politically

Agreed in 2010. But in 20 years time, Canberra may have a bigger population than Tasmania.

Half a million people should result in some new seats. I understand there’s a constitutional issue around proportional Senate representation (TAS is guaranteed a number of Senators, and the rest of Australia may not support a bigger Senate).

Given the diversity of haircuts I see at popular drinking holes, I reckon there’s a fair chance a new seat could be held by a third party.

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