ANU keeps Burka Ban chatter rolling on

johnboy 13 July 2009 89

Following on from Virginia Hausegger’s shrill demands that all women be forced to conform to her ideas on what is and isn’t “Australian” the ANU is holding a debate on Wednesday and Virginia is going to expand on her ideas.

From the blurb:

    SHOULD WE BAN THE BURKA?

    Virginia Haussegger, journalist, author, media commentator and TV news presenter
    Julie Posetti, journalist and journalism academic, University of Canberra
    Dr Shakira Hussein, writer and researcher at The Australian National University

    Wednesday 15 July, 12:30-2pm
    HC Coombs Lecture Theatre
    Building 8a, Fellows Rd, ANU

    This lecture is free and open to the public. Please register attendance with ANU Events.
    Enquiries:
    E: Events@anu.edu.au
    T: 02 6125 4144


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Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 11:31 am 10 Sep 09

Just to add a viewpoint not only from someone who was there, but who was part of the actual event, Julie Posetti puts up her point of view, contrary to Virginia’s:
http://www.j-scribe.com/2009/07/banning-burka-unaustralian-idea.html

(She talks about us, had similar talking points to us, so I’m back-linking to her so y’all can make up your own mind)

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 9:41 am 16 Jul 09

@Kalley:
I suspect that if people are going to continue to make reference to such things without knowing the difference between the various forms of hijab, they need to have some kind of handy chart on the threads.

http://jadmadi.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/hijab1.jpg

el el 6:25 pm 15 Jul 09

Pelican Lini said :

I don’t care what anybody wears as long as they want to wear it.
I don’t like people trying to impose their way of life on me on behalf of their “pretend friends”.
I don’t want to pay frickin’ 20 bucks for a pack of cigarettes.
Smokers’ taxes already exceed the cost of any required medical treatment, according to Access Economic,s and we often selflessly die younger to reduce the burden on medical and aged care services.
I don’t like people wanting to ban things or impose their wowser philosophies on everybody else.
And I don’t want people turning ACT into a place where if it’s not illegal, it’s compulsory.

+100000

Kalley Kalley 5:28 pm 15 Jul 09

Are some people confused about the difference between the burka and other forms of Muslim dress? The burka covers the face and is usually only worn by very strict Muslims. Plenty of women in Canberra wear the hijab or coverings on the head but very few wear a burka. So I wouldnt panic folks. But bear in mind that many women wearing the hijab say they are intimidated and discriminiated against sometimes in Canberra as a result of being obviously Muslim women. I worked with refugees from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Yemen over the last 15 years. Virginia’s comments are certainly pretty unhelpful to women in Canberra from those communities in their brave efforts to fit into Canberra life as it only widens the cultural divide and fear.

p1 p1 3:03 pm 15 Jul 09

deezagood said :

ant said :

johnboy said :

sepi said :

…….

This is starting to get a little hard to follow back.

peterh peterh 2:18 pm 15 Jul 09

did anyone go to the debate? love to know the outcome, but couldn’t tune in to the podcast.

Pandy Pandy 8:23 am 15 Jul 09

LALA oh you are naughty!!!!! Skitch’em Rex!!!!!

Pelican Lini Pelican Lini 2:03 am 15 Jul 09

I don’t care what anybody wears as long as they want to wear it.
I don’t like people trying to impose their way of life on me on behalf of their “pretend friends”.
I don’t want to pay frickin’ 20 bucks for a pack of cigarettes.
Smokers’ taxes already exceed the cost of any required medical treatment, according to Access Economic,s and we often selflessly die younger to reduce the burden on medical and aged care services.
I don’t like people wanting to ban things or impose their wowser philosophies on everybody else.
And I don’t want people turning ACT into a place where if it’s not illegal, it’s compulsory.

Granny Granny 12:44 am 15 Jul 09

It would be really interesting to hear from the Muslim women. This website is great My dress, My image, My choice, and I think initiatives like this are wonderful.

I am not a fan of the burka, but would not wish to tell another woman what to wear. I’m afraid that such issues are difficult. I also believe that the best solution is for us to cross the cultural divide together.

lala46698 lala46698 11:26 pm 14 Jul 09

Why on earth is Shakira Hussein representing the dissenting view?She grew up Shakira Bruford on a hindu ashram near Maleny in queensland, christened her daughter catholic and has lived alone with her daughter for years alone in Canberra. For years she was a vocal feminist athiest around campus.

What sort of rort is this? Her brother is Aidan Bruford, Jon Stanhope’s ministers graffiti artist. How on earth can she claim to be a Muslim woman who knows what its like to live in a muslim family with all the pressures? She’s a liberal academic with a family whose only real religion in the ALP. Can’t the ANU find an actual muslim woman who can speak with more than book learning – living in a muslim household ? No doubt about the ivory tower!!!!

deezagood deezagood 11:00 pm 14 Jul 09

ant said :

johnboy said :

sepi said :

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Statements like this are why no-one ever pays any attention to anything you say Sepi. And thank god for that.

Speak for yourself. Sepi often speaks a lot of sense, and refrains from insulting other people while making a point.

As always, people who resort to insults have already lost the argument.

+1

ant ant 10:24 pm 14 Jul 09

johnboy said :

sepi said :

I prefer tyranny over a smaller number of women by the govt (banning burka) rather than tyranny of a larger number of women at the whim of the men in their lives.

Statements like this are why no-one ever pays any attention to anything you say Sepi. And thank god for that.

Speak for yourself. Sepi often speaks a lot of sense, and refrains from insulting other people while making a point. As always, people who resort to insults have already lost the argument.

Pandy Pandy 9:26 pm 14 Jul 09

@72 Wrong: I am. It just does not fit in with your world view.
And so you chose to ignore it.

Pandy Pandy 9:26 pm 14 Jul 09

Skid, legislation has always been used as a blunt tool to force changes in
moral, racial, religious views. I am sure that the bigots of the 60s have
mellowed in their attitudes. There is no reason to think that banning the
burka (I am not advocating a ban on head dress/wigs etc) will force the
paternalistic MEN to change their view. Yet again, MEN like to hold on to
their power, no matter what religion they lead.

I find the burka offensive as I find the hooded robes worn by the KKK to
be too. Are you suggesting I have a right to wear an KKK outfit and not
be sneered at?

p1 p1 1:35 pm 14 Jul 09

So is this argument about social integration of migrants, oppression of women, religious expression or fashion?

Because people who refuse to learn the language irritate me, oppression of women within the family saddens me, imaginary friends are for kids and fashion comes and goes each year.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 12:57 pm 14 Jul 09

sepi said :

I prefer tyranny over a smaller number of women by the govt (banning burka) rather than tyranny of a larger number of women at the whim of the men in their lives.

Well gee, thanks for sharing.

Nothing personal, but you haven’t made a coherent argument about this. I’d suggest responding specifically to Skid’s points if we want this to be anything more than indignant, emotional rambling. Of course there are some women who are ‘oppressed’. And I bet they don’t all wear burqas either.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 12:30 pm 14 Jul 09

Because it’s not for tous dictate how any people can or should liberate themselves.

Education and (long-term) exposure to a new culture generally does the trick: I’m willing to bet that there aren’t many (if any) 2nd or 3rd generation migrants from middle-eastern countries who wear the burka.

johnboy johnboy 12:28 pm 14 Jul 09

sepi said :

I prefer tyranny over a smaller number of women by the govt (banning burka) rather than tyranny of a larger number of women at the whim of the men in their lives.

Statements like this are why no-one ever pays any attention to anything you say Sepi. And thank god for that.

sepi sepi 12:26 pm 14 Jul 09

It is interesting though.

And so far noone has had any ideas at all about how our society can deal with women who are forced to wear the burka and do only what the men in their lives allow them to do.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 12:23 pm 14 Jul 09

For that matter, you don’t think that the people wearing burkas in Australia might already be ‘out of step with the community’ somewhat?

Clothing bans aimed at this minority group is hardly going to bring them into the mainstream. If anything it would lead to further alienation and division.

Regardless, the argument is moot. It’s not going to happen.

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