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Athllon Drive Point-to-Point ‘Safety’ Cameras?

By M 21 June 2013 82

So, driving past them every night and seeing their rapid progress towards functionality, I’m still baffled as to how the Athllon Drive point-to-point cameras are going to work. Unlike their counterparts on Hindmarsh Drive, this point-to-point zone is riddled with obstructions that will surely render them useless right? Things such as 2 roundabouts, single lane stretches, and heavy buss traffic (which, lets face it, reduce traveling speeds to little more than 60km/h). Surely someone must be doing something pretty spectacular to be able to be booked through the zone.

I ask you Rioters, does anyone know how this will be calculated and what are the complex equations used to determine the average wait time at multiple roundabouts? If someone can answer this you’ll be putting my mind at ease if only for a moment….


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James-T-Kirk 3:16 pm 14 Dec 17

Hey – I forgot to post when I noticed, but it seems like this particular P2P camera was so successful that it has been removed…..

Anybody have actual information?

goggles13 9:56 pm 30 Aug 13

cameras become operational on Friday 6 September….can’t wait.

Innovation 12:19 pm 15 Aug 13

c_c™ said :

Is this any surprise. As I’ve posted before, a crazy number of numbskulls drive that whole stretch at 60 despite it being an 80 zone. No idea why they do, there’s enough signs telling them the actual limit.

Why are these people numbskulls? Assuming that they are ALL actually doing 60 (and you aren’t underestimating their speed to exaggerate their point or incorrectly estimating their speed because it is considerably slower than yours) if they have a reasonable excuse then they are perfectly within their rights to do that speed. Yes it certainly can be irritating when others of us are in a hurry but they have just as much right to be on the road.

Perhaps the problem is that many people think of these areas as “80 zone[s]” and not 80 LIMITED areas.

Reprobate 12:11 pm 15 Aug 13

I’m really at the 50/50 stage between believing the Athllon Drive PSP cameras are either:
a) an ACT Government stuff-up (who knew!), or
b) an ACT Government trojan horse.

In support of (a) – apart from past form – yesterday I noticed that a set of traffic volume measuring lines (ie those narrow rubber strips that connect to a box on the side of the road) have been placed in two spots on Fincham Cres, one just after the turnoff from Athllon Dr prior to the Southbound camera and another a couple of hundred metres up the road. Thus morning it looked like another one of these were set up near the Red Rooster turnoff too. This begs the question as to why volume measurement on the turnoffs/side roads is being conducted now and was not done before the site was chosen/ cameras installed/ ready to go?

As to (b), given the reported volume of traffic on Athllon Drive (average 12,711 vehicles per day past the Northern/Torrens end camera, but only with about 1.2 infringements/day in the 5 day period) MAYBE the real reason this this main corridor with multiple entries/exits was chosen lies with the secondary aspect of the cameras, ie checking for unregistered vehicles and vehicular movements?

Tin foil hat notwithstanding, it’s hard to believe that the ACT Gov’t would spend $750,000 on a site with the prospect of a marginal return on investment, and that just about any casual user can see is not a sensible P2P area… hmmm….

watto23 11:00 am 15 Aug 13

tim_c said :

The thing that worries me most with these cameras is that they may well factor in some allowance for slowing at the roundabouts, so if you average 80km/h per hour between the cameras, could you be pinged for speeding on the assumption that you would have slowed for the roundabouts, therefore to average 80km/h between the cameras you must have been speeding at at least one point, right?

That is exactly how they are measuring this, but I suspect its the same tolerance, so averaging say 89km/h will get you pinged. The point is though, it doesn’t stop speeding because people will still speed if they are turning off at a roundabout. They won’t sit glued to 80 like they do on Hindmarsh, because the roundabout will slow them down as well, even if passing the second measure point. The only benefit they have is to track car registrations etc, in which case they only need a single camera on a few major roads to pick that up.

tim_c 10:36 am 15 Aug 13

The thing that worries me most with these cameras is that they may well factor in some allowance for slowing at the roundabouts, so if you average 80km/h per hour between the cameras, could you be pinged for speeding on the assumption that you would have slowed for the roundabouts, therefore to average 80km/h between the cameras you must have been speeding at at least one point, right?

bundah 9:13 am 15 Aug 13

c_c™ said :

Is this any surprise. As I’ve posted before, a crazy number of numbskulls drive that whole stretch at 60 despite it being an 80 zone. No idea why they do, there’s enough signs telling them the actual limit.

Same thing happens when peeps notice speed camera vans. They either brake or slowly decelerate up to 20 clicks under the limit,go figure.

Erg0 8:46 am 15 Aug 13

Evil_Kitten said :

Erg0 said :

tgan said :

I’m very interested to know if even one person has been served an infringement notice from the Hindmarsh cameras?

I know someone who has, so the answer is yes.

Did the notice tell them what their speed was? I’d be very interested to know – I regularly do closer to 90 on that stretch of road and have never been pinged.

He didn’t mention it, but I think he was over by a reasonable amount (10+ km/h). Although he’s generally an intelligent guy, he’s not always the best at paying attention to his surroundings (e.g. giant “average speed camera” signs).

c_c™ 11:45 pm 14 Aug 13

Is this any surprise. As I’ve posted before, a crazy number of numbskulls drive that whole stretch at 60 despite it being an 80 zone. No idea why they do, there’s enough signs telling them the actual limit.

Evil_Kitten 9:53 pm 14 Aug 13

magiccar9 said :

Show us the date and time of the 5 drivers that got pinged. I’m assume it was late night or early morning where there was very little traffic – and definitely no buses around.

Yes, you’d have to have the road to yourself. You’re asking for trouble late at night though – kangaroos are often all over the area where it’s a divided road and even down as far as Red Rooster. The other night there was even a group of them in the middle of the roundabout on Sulwood/Athllon.

Evil_Kitten 9:48 pm 14 Aug 13

bundah said :

Evil_Kitten said :

Erg0 said :

tgan said :

I’m very interested to know if even one person has been served an infringement notice from the Hindmarsh cameras?

I know someone who has, so the answer is yes.

Did the notice tell them what their speed was? I’d be very interested to know – I regularly do closer to 90 on that stretch of road and have never been pinged.

I’d say there’s a couple of reasons for that. Firstly, your speedo like most cars is programmed to overread slightly and secondly it’s quite likely that there’s about a 10% allowance over the actual speed limit before your pinged.

Yep, I know exactly how much my car reads over and I took that into consideration. The allowance is what I was trying to determine and therefore why I asked the question.

magiccar9 7:58 pm 14 Aug 13

Show us the date and time of the 5 drivers that got pinged. I’m assume it was late night or early morning where there was very little traffic – and definitely no buses around.
The figures keep stacking up against this installation, but the Government press ahead with their stupid plan anyway.

On a side note, how accurate are the cameras? I was sitting at the lights at Beasley Street the other day, it was quite windy and one of the poles was swaying noticeably. Surely that can’t be much good for the systems accuracy, let alone image quality.

bundah 5:21 pm 14 Aug 13

Evil_Kitten said :

Erg0 said :

tgan said :

I’m very interested to know if even one person has been served an infringement notice from the Hindmarsh cameras?

I know someone who has, so the answer is yes.

Did the notice tell them what their speed was? I’d be very interested to know – I regularly do closer to 90 on that stretch of road and have never been pinged.

I’d say there’s a couple of reasons for that. Firstly, your speedo like most cars is programmed to overread slightly and secondly it’s quite likely that there’s about a 10% allowance over the actual speed limit before your pinged.

Evil_Kitten 4:33 pm 14 Aug 13

Erg0 said :

tgan said :

I’m very interested to know if even one person has been served an infringement notice from the Hindmarsh cameras?

I know someone who has, so the answer is yes.

Did the notice tell them what their speed was? I’d be very interested to know – I regularly do closer to 90 on that stretch of road and have never been pinged.

FXST01 3:28 pm 14 Aug 13

Place the cameras on the Monaro Highway if you are serious about raising some cash. I mean enforcing safety.

watto23 3:12 pm 14 Aug 13

marcothepolopony said :

A much more lucrative investment would have been to install Point to Point cameras from Aranda to Barton Highway turn off on the GDE. Very few vehicles adhere to the speed limit northbound in my experience.

Yeah but that is a completely different issue where the road is clearly able to handle 100km/h yet some nimby’s complained about noise and it was set to 80 before they settled on 90. By all means keep speeds low in residential and high pedestrian areas, but the GDE and the Monaro bypass of Fyshwick could be 100. Smae with the northbound side of the Monaro past the jail, it was 100, but now because 1 or 2 cars a day may pull out they dropped the speed limit to 80 ?!?! Other side with light i can understand, but this is a sliplane FFS!!!

caf 1:32 pm 14 Aug 13

HiddenDragon said :

goggles13 said :

so during testing the cameras have only pinged five drivers:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/claims-speed-cameras-miss-the-point-to-point-20130813-2rumf.html

what a surprise

and yet the Govt stil trots out the line that the P2P cameras will prevent accidents. I’d like to see the stats on the types of accidents on the stretch of Athllon Drive before I will believe such claims.

Yes, that was a massive surprise, wasn’t it – but with the usual combination of mulish determination and righteousness, they will doubtless plow on until they get the result they want.

I suppose it would be too much to expect that our elected (and unelected) betters might, occasionally, acknowledge that not everything can be regulated to the nth degree and that there are more fruitful things to do with public funds than regulation and enforcement.

On the other hand, the fact that five drivers were pinged also puts the lie to claims that exceeding the speed limit on average over the stretch is some kind of physical impossibility. Those five drivers must have been well hooning along on the straights, and it’s a good thing that the cameras are putting a stop to that.

If the effect is that these cameras are only catching the most egregious speeders, then isn’t that what a lot of speed camera opponents have been asking for? All those complaints about catching people who’ve only drifted a little over the limit?

switch 12:47 pm 14 Aug 13

marcothepolopony said :

A much more lucrative investment would have been to install Point to Point cameras from Aranda to Barton Highway turn off on the GDE. Very few vehicles adhere to the speed limit northbound in my experience.

Shhh! Stop giving them ideas!

tim_c 12:31 pm 14 Aug 13

watto23 said :

wow I could have guessed most of what was in that article. When driving home that way occasionally, traffic is surprisingly heavy and gets lighter the further you go, thus traffic is turning off before the second enforcement point. Oh the 15% who were speeding, still are because they know the roundabouts slow their average speed and/or they are turning off!!

If anything why not a simple speed camera on the road?
Not they they enforce anything much either, everyone including those not speeding slow down for speed cameras.

15% is the same number quoted for those speeding along Flinders Way, which was used as justification for installing the inverted pot-holes. Maybe it’s better to deal with that 15% of motorists who probably speed everywhere, rather than just addressing a couple of the places where they routinely speed?

watto23 11:49 am 14 Aug 13

wow I could have guessed most of what was in that article. When driving home that way occasionally, traffic is surprisingly heavy and gets lighter the further you go, thus traffic is turning off before the second enforcement point. Oh the 15% who were speeding, still are because they know the roundabouts slow their average speed and/or they are turning off!!

If anything why not a simple speed camera on the road?
Not they they enforce anything much either, everyone including those not speeding slow down for speed cameras.

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