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Auction time for the solar power plant

By johnboy - 24 May 2012 39

Simon Corbell has let us know the 22 shortlisted proposals for a solar power plant in the ACT are going to auction.

The first 20 megawatts of production will be awarded in August.

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Auction time for the solar power plant
HenryBG 2:57 pm 25 May 12

qbngeek said :

Gee HenryBG, I love how everyone who disagrees with you is a Bolt or Hadley fan and drives a H2 around and burns kittens for fun.

I actually don’t agree with most of the stuff you seem to blindly follow that the greens have sprouted to you and like to make up my own mind on most issues. I drive an SUV because it suits my hobbies and is more comfortable and the fuel usage is very very close to that of a Prius.

I grow almost all my own fruit and veg and I am aboutt o get chickens for egg production. I only buy free range eggs and only free range chicken (which I get from the farmer so I know they are cared for). At the same time I hunt, but make up for this by using almost all of any animals I kill. I also eat most of most animals out there.

You may think I am a Bolt fan, but I despise the man. I also think the Greens are clueless kooks. I only vote because I have to and my vote goes to who has the best policies. Libs and Labor are just as bad as each other and the two party system needs to be abolished.

I think you are a moron with your labeling of people and pidgeonholing everyone who doesn’t agree with you as nature killers. People are diverse and will amke up their own minds, suggest you try it sometime.

I’m not accusing anybody of anything except being wrong, being unsceptical, and relying on sources who are proven to be highly innaccurate.

Claiming that Flannery lives on land at risk of global-warming-related sea level rise is wrong.

Where did the claim originate? The Australian, an untruthful paper that tries to convince its readers that sea levels are not rising.
Who propagated it? Global-warming denying buffoons like Bolt, who has been found by a court to be an incompetent journalist.
Who still believes this kind of tripe? Morons.

I don’t give a #$@* what you drive, (although if you drive a Hummer/Prius I reserved the right to mock the pitiful size of your penis/the fact you’ve been ripped off when a VW Golf Bluemotion is cheaper and more fuel efficient) and if you think the Greens are kooks, and the rest of them a complete bunch of idiots, then I’ll agree with you.

The Greens being kooks doesn’t make Bolt, Abbott, or The Australian correct in their ridiculous beliefs about the laws of physics. And whereas the Greens threaten us with annoyances like having to *buy* plastic bags for the bin, the other idiots are putting us at the mercy of american multinationals who want to make us all their slaves and fighting their wars over fossil fuels as has been the case since 1914.
Energy prices have tripled in 10 years, and become hugely volatile.
People – evil greedy people – are trying to prevent us from implementing more reliable technologies that won’t involve constant wars in the middle-east (like 1914, etc…).

dvaey 2:45 pm 25 May 12

rosscoact said :

this means two things, solar can bring down the average price paid for energy, as it has in Germany for instance and fossil fuel electricity suppliers hate it because it provides competition for their product where usually they have no competition

The electricity suppliers dont really care, they make their profit from the customer no matter how much the energy costs. The smart fossil fuel companies are creating alternative energy options like BP Solar. The only losers in the game are the companies that ignore the competition, that will eventually run out of fuel to sell, and will have no other energy product for the market.

MERC600 2:41 pm 25 May 12

The Prof lives near the river level. Have a squiz at this how even tides alter the river level.

Hawkesbury River – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkesbury_RiverThe Hawkesbury River is navigable from Windsor to the sea. There are no dams or locks on the river, and the effects of the tide are felt as far as Windsor.

And whats with all this thing re Melbourne paper reporters, and NSW radio commentators.!!!

qbngeek 2:38 pm 25 May 12

Gee HenryBG, I love how everyone who disagrees with you is a Bolt or Hadley fan and drives a H2 around and burns kittens for fun.

I actually don’t agree with most of the stuff you seem to blindly follow that the greens have sprouted to you and like to make up my own mind on most issues. I drive an SUV because it suits my hobbies and is more comfortable and the fuel usage is very very close to that of a Prius.

I grow almost all my own fruit and veg and I am aboutt o get chickens for egg production. I only buy free range eggs and only free range chicken (which I get from the farmer so I know they are cared for). At the same time I hunt, but make up for this by using almost all of any animals I kill. I also eat most of most animals out there.

You may think I am a Bolt fan, but I despise the man. I also think the Greens are clueless kooks. I only vote because I have to and my vote goes to who has the best policies. Libs and Labor are just as bad as each other and the two party system needs to be abolished.

I think you are a moron with your labeling of people and pidgeonholing everyone who doesn’t agree with you as nature killers. People are diverse and will amke up their own minds, suggest you try it sometime.

HenryBG 2:11 pm 25 May 12

MERC600 said :

MERC600 said :

Just remind me again please, how much lolly do the consumers fork out for this scheme.

Perhaps I should have made it a little clearer. I just want to know how much MORE I’m going to be paying above the current rate. .

According to the economist at Yale that has published a study on this, it will *save* you money. It will be *more* expensive if you don’t spend some money on Solar/etc… now:

http://nordhaus.econ.yale.edu/Balance_2nd_proofs.pdf

Obviously, none of this stuff is simple enough to fit into an Andrew Bolt blog or a Ray Hadley soundbite, so you may have missed it. In fact, as a fan of the above-mentioned twits, you may even lack the attention span to read the study and take on board its message. Do try though.

HenryBG 2:07 pm 25 May 12

MERC600 said :

MERC600 said :

Just remind me again please, how much lolly do the consumers fork out for this scheme.

Perhaps I should have made it a little clearer. I just want to know how much MORE I’m going to be paying above the current rate. I got back lots of other info, but not even a ball park figure on how much extra this will cost us .. As for the Gold Coast flooding, well I guess they could all shift to that estuary where Prof Flannery lives, he’s obviously not worried about rising seas too much..

The high ground around the Hawkesbury isn’t going to be flooded by a 1 metre rise in sea level.
You do understand this concept we call “elevation”, do you? It isn’t proximity to water that tells you who gets inundated, it is height above sea level.

I guess people who go to Andrew Bolt for their information might find this quite difficult to understand, though.

Try a few maps, and see if you can get the idea.
For example, here are the Northern Beaches,
http://www.ozcoasts.gov.au/climate/Map_images/Sydney/2.2/jpg/150dpi/Sydney_22_150_map_1.jpg
no inundations there – why? Elevation.

MERC600 1:45 pm 25 May 12

MERC600 said :

Just remind me again please, how much lolly do the consumers fork out for this scheme.

Perhaps I should have made it a little clearer. I just want to know how much MORE I’m going to be paying above the current rate. I got back lots of other info, but not even a ball park figure on how much extra this will cost us .. As for the Gold Coast flooding, well I guess they could all shift to that estuary where Prof Flannery lives, he’s obviously not worried about rising seas too much..

chewy14 9:21 am 25 May 12

Diggety said :

Northbourne Ultimatum said :

MERC600 said :

Just remind me again please, how much lolly do the consumers fork out for this scheme.

The cost to consumers will depend on the value of the Feed-in tariff (FiT) that wins the reverse auction. Whoever wins, it’s going to be cheaper than the FiT for domestic installations. I will be very happy to be subsadising more efficient large scale systems like this rather than the rebates and FiT for small domestic systems.

How?

Economies of scale.
The subsidy needed for a large(r) scale solar plant will be far less per MW installed than for the domestic installations.
The actual amount of subsidy will be decided by the reverse auction in which the proponents compete against each other blindly. That way the most cost effective projects can be chosen.

Not saying that the price will necessarily be good but it will be better than the domestic FIT.

HenryBG 8:51 am 25 May 12

Diggety said :

Northbourne Ultimatum said :

MERC600 said :

Just remind me again please, how much lolly do the consumers fork out for this scheme.

The cost to consumers will depend on the value of the Feed-in tariff (FiT) that wins the reverse auction. Whoever wins, it’s going to be cheaper than the FiT for domestic installations. I will be very happy to be subsadising more efficient large scale systems like this rather than the rebates and FiT for small domestic systems.

How?

What a bizarre question.
The people assessing the bids are looking at the FiT requested by the bidders.
They will choose the one that gives the best value for money.
The existing FiT schemes were all closed off due to demand reaching the extent of what the government was willing to pay.
The law of demand and supply says therefore that the price offered was generous.
Therefore in competitive bidding where the price isn’t set, the price requested will be lower.

Has Andrew Bolt not yet told you what to think on this one?

HenryBG 8:40 am 25 May 12

Diggety said :

Northbourne Ultimatum said :

MERC600 said :

Just remind me again please, how much lolly do the consumers fork out for this scheme.

The cost to consumers will depend on the value of the Feed-in tariff (FiT) that wins the reverse auction. Whoever wins, it’s going to be cheaper than the FiT for domestic installations. I will be very happy to be subsadising more efficient large scale systems like this rather than the rebates and FiT for small domestic systems.

Why?

Because it’s about bloody time we started taking concrete steps to wean ourselves off our stupid short-sighted addiction to fossil fuels.

100 years from now, coal will be a very valuable resource (and oil will be worth its weight in gold), and people will say – what were they doing burning it just to power their flat-screen TVs? What were they thinking when they could have been collecting all the free energy available from wind, solar and tide?
(Not to mention the fact the Gold Coast will have lost big chunks of several suburbs to sea level rise by then (http://www.ozcoasts.gov.au/climate/Map_images/SthEastQld/OCGC_South/2.2/jpeg/150dpi/Brisbane_22_150_Map_37.jpg), which will have some people wondering WTF was going on).

rosscoact 7:55 am 25 May 12

solar electricity operates at its best at peak times. peak time is also when electricity is at its most expensive and where the fossil fuel energy suppliers make huge profits. \

this means two things, solar can bring down the average price paid for energy, as it has in Germany for instance and fossil fuel electricity suppliers hate it because it provides competition for their product where usually they have no competition

Diggety 12:35 am 25 May 12

Northbourne Ultimatum said :

MERC600 said :

Just remind me again please, how much lolly do the consumers fork out for this scheme.

The cost to consumers will depend on the value of the Feed-in tariff (FiT) that wins the reverse auction. Whoever wins, it’s going to be cheaper than the FiT for domestic installations. I will be very happy to be subsadising more efficient large scale systems like this rather than the rebates and FiT for small domestic systems.

How?

Diggety 12:31 am 25 May 12

Northbourne Ultimatum said :

MERC600 said :

Just remind me again please, how much lolly do the consumers fork out for this scheme.

The cost to consumers will depend on the value of the Feed-in tariff (FiT) that wins the reverse auction. Whoever wins, it’s going to be cheaper than the FiT for domestic installations. I will be very happy to be subsadising more efficient large scale systems like this rather than the rebates and FiT for small domestic systems.

Why?

Northbourne Ultimatu 10:05 pm 24 May 12

MERC600 said :

Just remind me again please, how much lolly do the consumers fork out for this scheme.

The cost to consumers will depend on the value of the Feed-in tariff (FiT) that wins the reverse auction. Whoever wins, it’s going to be cheaper than the FiT for domestic installations. I will be very happy to be subsadising more efficient large scale systems like this rather than the rebates and FiT for small domestic systems.

MERC600 1:11 pm 24 May 12

Just remind me again please, how much lolly do the consumers fork out for this scheme.

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