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Auction time for the solar power plant

By johnboy 24 May 2012 39

Simon Corbell has let us know the 22 shortlisted proposals for a solar power plant in the ACT are going to auction.

The first 20 megawatts of production will be awarded in August.

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parle 11:03 pm 26 May 12

rosscoact said :

That’s pretty funny using a journalist as a source. Nice work

pfft, journalists!, with all their ‘quotes’ from ‘experts’ that they name. A much better source is some old man posting about stuff that he’s heard of without any reference whatsoever.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/high-price-paid-for-low-solar-return-20120422-1xfca.html

or you could ask gungahlin al but he seems to have shut up about this since the article came out. oh well.

rosscoact 9:54 pm 26 May 12

Martlark said :

rosscoact said :

solar electricity operates at its best at peak times. peak time is also when electricity is at its most expensive and where the fossil fuel energy suppliers make huge profits

Not true for Canberra.

Electricity demand and solar power production statistics for Canberra, as reported by G. Downie (CT 2012), show that the peak demand for electricity and the peak power production for solar power do not coincide.

The last few days of freezing cloudy days would have resulted in huge demand for electric heating and a likely near zero solar power production.

That’s pretty funny using a journalist as a source. Nice work

HenryBG 9:24 pm 26 May 12

Martlark said :

Electricity demand and solar power production statistics for Canberra, as reported by G. Downie (CT 2012), show that the peak demand for electricity and the peak power production for solar power do not coincide.

The last few days of freezing cloudy days would have resulted in huge demand for electric heating and a likely near zero solar power production.

See, your (rather vague) reference is a reference to some journalist’s scribblings. Your second assertion is utterly unsupported by any kind of reference.

Downie is not an economist nor an engineer. Whatever he writes will suffer from the usual journalistic immunity to numeracy, understanding of science, and phobia of careful analysis, hampering his interpretation of primary sources, if he has even read any of those.

How about some hard facts and primary sources?

For example, here is a scholarly article which attempts to answer that question for the UK in relation to Wind Power:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421505002752

“…during peak demand periods, the capacity factor of wind power in the UK is around 30% higher than the annual average capacity factor.”

HenryBG 9:15 pm 26 May 12

Jethro said :

HenryBG said :

Jethro said :

yet you rubbish any discussion about sustainable transport options in the ACT.
……

You have made a million-and-one excuses as to why cycling is not an option in Canberra,.

This isn’t true. I just respond to stuff I read here which is wrong.
On cycling, the reality is this isn’t Holland, so stop pretending we can have the same as they do.
Average commutes here are 3 times longer and more difficult, which greatly reduces the numbers who can access this option.

No. You have argued vehemently against investing in cycling infrastructure.

I’m against my money being spent to favour a tiny minority by building long-range cycle paths that normal people will never in a million years even consider using.

Martlark 3:38 pm 26 May 12

rosscoact said :

solar electricity operates at its best at peak times. peak time is also when electricity is at its most expensive and where the fossil fuel energy suppliers make huge profits

Not true for Canberra.

Electricity demand and solar power production statistics for Canberra, as reported by G. Downie (CT 2012), show that the peak demand for electricity and the peak power production for solar power do not coincide.

The last few days of freezing cloudy days would have resulted in huge demand for electric heating and a likely near zero solar power production.

shauno 10:54 am 26 May 12

Jim Jones said :

MERC600 said :

The Prof lives near the river level. Have a squiz at this how even tides alter the river level.

Hawkesbury River – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkesbury_RiverThe Hawkesbury River is navigable from Windsor to the sea. There are no dams or locks on the river, and the effects of the tide are felt as far as Windsor.

And whats with all this thing re Melbourne paper reporters, and NSW radio commentators.!!!

So … let me get this straight … Tim Flannery lives near the water, therefore climate change isn’t happening?

Climate change is happening like it always has for the last 4,5 billion years but so what its not an issue and the inflated scaremongering of the likes of Flannery doesnt help the global warmist cause at all its turning people away big time. I mean he did say the sea levels would rise above an 18 story building haha he’s a fool mind you he’s made money from it so maybe the fools are the people who gave him the money.

Jethro 8:30 am 26 May 12

HenryBG said :

Jethro said :

yet you rubbish any discussion about sustainable transport options in the ACT.
……

You have made a million-and-one excuses as to why cycling is not an option in Canberra,.

This isn’t true. I just respond to stuff I read here which is wrong.
On cycling, the reality is this isn’t Holland, so stop pretending we can have the same as they do.
Average commutes here are 3 times longer and more difficult, which greatly reduces the numbers who can access this option.

No. You have argued vehemently against investing in cycling infrastructure.

HenryBG 8:28 am 26 May 12

Jethro said :

Don’t you see the disconnect between your views on climate change and your views on cars and bicycles?

I’d also like to add that I only used the car one day this week for work, which was the day I had to be in Bruce & Barton. Cycling about 100km is not an option. Public transport would potentially eat up 4 or 5 hours of my day in this situation which is completely unacceptable.

Doesn’t mean I have to swallow bicycle lobby rubbish aimed at promoting the interests of the tiny minority who cycle excessively for fun.

HenryBG 8:20 am 26 May 12

Jethro said :

yet you rubbish any discussion about sustainable transport options in the ACT.
……

You have made a million-and-one excuses as to why cycling is not an option in Canberra,.

This isn’t true. I just respond to stuff I read here which is wrong.
On cycling, the reality is this isn’t Holland, so stop pretending we can have the same as they do.
Average commutes here are 3 times longer and more difficult, which greatly reduces the numbers who can access this option.

HenryBG 8:16 am 26 May 12

2604 said :

Got any examples of The Australian claiming that sea levels are not rising? Articles like this and this expressly acknowledge the fact of rising sea levels.

Is The Australian also being untruthful when it acknowledges the reality of anthropogenic global warming? It also supported the need for an ETS and supports the implementation of the carbon tax, things you’d know if you’d ever read it.

On sea level, they have published oodles of crap.

There’s this one,
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/sea-level-rises-are-slowing-tidal-gauge-records-show/story-fn59niix-1226099350056
where they misrepresent Phil Watson’s research as saying the something it doesn’t, and misrepresent their source, Howard Brady as being a “climate researcher at Macquarie University”, which he absolutely is not. A bald-faced lie.

This one, presumably written by some Arts graduates (or Canberra Uni graduates even):
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/science-is-in-on-climate-change-sea-level-rise-17mm/story-e6frg6nf-1225795202916
which is just completely innumerate.

This classic which was accompanied by a front page photo of some old codger on the beach who is their source for a, “sea levels aren’t rising” claim:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/penny-wong-signals-doom-for-iconic-beaches/story-e6frg6n6-1225831970915
More innumeracy there.

More crap here, in response to being called on their previous crap,
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/only-when-the-tide-goes-out/story-e6frg71x-1226100074756
they just dig themselves in deeper.

This one, which is so stupid it’s funny,:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/tide-of-anger-at-flawed-facts-on-water-levels/story-e6frg6nf-1226167996520

And in this doozy, their source is Nils Axel Morner, a nut,
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/seeing-through-hoax-of-the-century/story-e6frg6qx-1225794053555

Of course, there’s the apology they had to print to Flannery for publishing a stupid “we know where you live” article about his house being at risk of sea level rise (when it isn’t).

Check out the paragraphs a few from the end in this utter load of garbage:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/political-interference-will-cripple-climate-debate/story-e6frg6zo-1225972366783

Publishing the occasional article which recognises reality doesn’t make up for publishing dozens which are untruthful and misleading. They regularly run the editorial which says, “we’ve always accepted the science, blablabla…”, which is obviously just another lie when you consider the carefully calculated dishonesty in the articles they constantly print poo-poohing it.

Tim Lambert did some stats on this after somebody like you made the same claim you just did:

In the first 4 months of 2010, he found this:

4 articles supporting mainstream science: 20/3 Ziggy Switkowski, 11/3 James Hansen (opposing ETS), 23/2 Oliver Sartor, 2/2 Penny Wong

23 articles opposing mainstream science: 24/4 Richard Lindzen, 21/4 Tom Switzer, 17/4 13/1 Frank Furedi, 17/3 27/1 20/1 Janet Albrechtsen, 15/3 17/2 28/1 Bjorn Lomborg, 27/2 13/2 6/2 30/1 23/1 Christopher Pearson, 20/2 Terry McCrann, 18/2 21/1 Alan Moran, 16/2 David Henderson, 13/2 Graham Young, 6/2 Tony Abbott, 6/1 Christopher Monckton, 2/1 Garth Paltridge

Remember, “balance” would be printing articles reflecting not 15%, but the 97% support among scientists for “mainstream science”.
Not sticking anything, no matter how obscure, on the front page if it can be spun their way.
And not misrepresenting the qualifications of some of the idiots in the second list.

Basically, they’ve been printing about 5 crap articles per week about climate change since Rupert Murdoch decided we needed to go to war on Iraq and turned his media organisation into the propaganda arm of his friends’ neo-con, “End-Times” agenda. That’s over 500 of them.

No wonder some people who are not sufficiently sceptical have fallen for the guff, there’s been so much of it.

Jethro 11:44 pm 25 May 12

HenryBG said :

Because it’s about bloody time we started taking concrete steps to wean ourselves off our stupid short-sighted addiction to fossil fuels.

Does this include our addiction to cars?

Yes.
We need to start getting people out of their cars.
We could have a weight test: anybody with a BMI greater than 24 has to walk to work.
The rest of us can drive.

HenryBG… I don’t get you. You obviously really care about the threat of climate change, yet you rubbish any discussion about sustainable transport options in the ACT.

Don’t you see the disconnect between your views on climate change and your views on cars and bicycles?

You have made a million-and-one excuses as to why cycling is not an option in Canberra, when it is obvious that cycling is an option because plenty of people already choose it.

So, HenryBG, instead of attacking cycling as a form of transport, why not actually give it a go? It really isn’t that hard. You will save thousands of dollars a year on fuel, and you will be taking a clear step towards reducing your personal carbon emissions.

Heck, I’d be happy to take you on a nice easy cycle myself. I don’t even wear lycra (except occasionally for Mrs Jethro).

2604 11:43 pm 25 May 12

HenryBG said :

Where did the claim originate? The Australian, an untruthful paper that tries to convince its readers that sea levels are not rising.

Got any examples of The Australian claiming that sea levels are not rising? Articles like this and this expressly acknowledge the fact of rising sea levels.

Is The Australian also being untruthful when it acknowledges the reality of anthropogenic global warming? It also supported the need for an ETS and supports the implementation of the carbon tax, things you’d know if you’d ever read it.

HenryBG 10:20 pm 25 May 12

Jethro said :

HenryBG said :

Diggety said :

Northbourne Ultimatum said :

MERC600 said :

Just remind me again please, how much lolly do the consumers fork out for this scheme.

The cost to consumers will depend on the value of the Feed-in tariff (FiT) that wins the reverse auction. Whoever wins, it’s going to be cheaper than the FiT for domestic installations. I will be very happy to be subsadising more efficient large scale systems like this rather than the rebates and FiT for small domestic systems.

Why?

Because it’s about bloody time we started taking concrete steps to wean ourselves off our stupid short-sighted addiction to fossil fuels.

Does this include our addiction to cars?

Yes.
We need to start getting people out of their cars.
We could have a weight test: anybody with a BMI greater than 24 has to walk to work.
The rest of us can drive.

Jethro 8:30 pm 25 May 12

HenryBG said :

Diggety said :

Northbourne Ultimatum said :

MERC600 said :

Just remind me again please, how much lolly do the consumers fork out for this scheme.

The cost to consumers will depend on the value of the Feed-in tariff (FiT) that wins the reverse auction. Whoever wins, it’s going to be cheaper than the FiT for domestic installations. I will be very happy to be subsadising more efficient large scale systems like this rather than the rebates and FiT for small domestic systems.

Why?

Because it’s about bloody time we started taking concrete steps to wean ourselves off our stupid short-sighted addiction to fossil fuels.

Does this include our addiction to cars?

HenryBG 7:50 pm 25 May 12

Jim Jones said :

MERC600 said :

The Prof lives near the river level. Have a squiz at this how even tides alter the river level.

Hawkesbury River – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkesbury_RiverThe Hawkesbury River is navigable from Windsor to the sea. There are no dams or locks on the river, and the effects of the tide are felt as far as Windsor.

And whats with all this thing re Melbourne paper reporters, and NSW radio commentators.!!!

So … let me get this straight … Tim Flannery lives near the water, therefore climate change isn’t happening?

Somebody would have to teach them how to actually formulate an argument before we started worrying about whether that argument was in any way sensible.

poetix 5:39 pm 25 May 12

MERC600 said :

Good grief .. ( JohnBoy you listening to this ) HENRY says ” I always thought it was just the lefties that suffered from class envy, but all this faff and nonsense about Flannery’s earnings and “boutique jetty” reveals the rightwing retard riff-raff are every bit as jealous of their betters’ superior salaries and more extensive material wealth as the lefties are.
You’re as pathetically tribal and backward as each other. “

Well I’m going for a couple of common type ales ..

Have a VB (Very Backward).

MERC600 5:26 pm 25 May 12

Good grief .. ( JohnBoy you listening to this ) HENRY says ” I always thought it was just the lefties that suffered from class envy, but all this faff and nonsense about Flannery’s earnings and “boutique jetty” reveals the rightwing retard riff-raff are every bit as jealous of their betters’ superior salaries and more extensive material wealth as the lefties are.
You’re as pathetically tribal and backward as each other. “

Well I’m going for a couple of common type ales ..

HenryBG 4:50 pm 25 May 12

gazket said :

a.c.t. Labour is hell bent to getting taxpayers to bend over and take one more pineapple up the back passage before they get voted out.

Yeah, coz we’re *really* going to vote for Zed, who scotched the gas-fired power station & data centre in favour of some NIMBY complaints from the people who live downwind from the Tip in Macarthur……

HenryBG 4:47 pm 25 May 12

MERC600 said :

HenryBG .. regret am not savy enough to copy the Google earth piccy of Coba Point. Perhaps after re checking your Gold Coast shots, you could have a look. There’s only about a dozen houses there, right on the water. The Prof even has his own little boutique jetty..

Yeees…and those house are not at risk of inundation. Unlike the bit of Gold Coast I showed you, the houses at Coba Point are not on low-lying land.

Of course, instead of employing an expert consultant to put together their environmental assessment, Hornsby Shire could have just paid somebody like you to provide made-up data instead.
Any guesses as to why they may have preferred the professional approach?

What’s a “boutique jetty”, btw? Is it a thing made out of wooden pylons and a wooden deck, by any chance? Is that another bit of nonsense you got off Andrew Bolt?

I always thought it was just the lefties that suffered from class envy, but all this faff and nonsense about Flannery’s earnings and “boutique jetty” reveals the rightwing retard riff-raff are every bit as jealous of their betters’ superior salaries and more extensive material wealth as the lefties are.
You’re as pathetically tribal and backward as each other.

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