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Burquas – the Hidden Threat

By John Hargreaves - 7 October 2014 45

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I saw the media recently from that bastion of protectionism, Cory Benardi, that he wants to ban the burquas from Parliament House. His call was echoed by that Pauline Hanson clone, Jacqui Lambie, that the burqua be banned in Oz entirely.

Good one. Not!

There are so many issues at stake here. Firstly, I agree that the garb is a presentation of the subjugation of women and it should be resisted. It is how it is resisted that I have issues with.

That aside, has anyone looked at the stupidity of this call to ban the dress from Parliament House?

Let me suggest that if I were a terrorist and wanted to make mayhem in Parly House, I would want to firstly appear as a part of the crowd. I wouldn’t want to draw attention to myself.

Anyone who has visited Parly House knows that one has to go through the security screening and guess what, the AK 47 was spotted under the burqua at that point! Just as it was under the raincoat of the (fake) priest and the Buddhist nun.

How many times has a Buddhist monk stood out in the crowd when visiting Parly House? Every time, I reckon.
So what makes people think that a woman wearing a burqua won’t stand out, just a little bit?

Perhaps the security guards might notice? And this is after she has gone through security screening!

So get real, folks! Terrorists don’t generally draw attention to themselves BEFORE letting loose. Anyone wearing a burqua is not likely to be a threat to us in Parly House if they have been through the screening process.

And on top of that, how many of you have ever been through the halls of Senate offices? I have and you can let off a shotgun in the halls without shooting anyone. There is rarely anyone in those corridors. Benardi is so wrong!

As for Lambie, she wants to ban the burqua nationwide. Why? Because it doesn’t show a person’s face? So what? You see people with motor bike helmets walking around all the time without being challenged (unless they go into a bank or shop, where there is no screening).

But again, how many of you have seen a woman in a burqua? Don’t get it mixed up with a niqab or a hijab, or even a headscarf. It is the one with the mesh.

Don’t you reckon, this outfit draws attention to itself rather than blends into our community and thus if you have a problem, you know about it rather early?

If you have a problem with the subjugation of women, I am on your side. If you have a fear because you can’t see a women’s face, get over it!

What’s Your opinion?


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dungfungus 9:45 pm 11 Oct 14

JC said :

dungfungus said :

astrojax said :

Ben_Dover said :

I love watching lefties twist themselves in knots over this issue. It’s a repression of women, which is blasphemy against one of the left’s sacred principles, that women should be treated better than men.

But!

By opposing it you may be seen as blaspheming against the highest sacrament of the left, that people who are form other countries, (only non-white obs,) are to have their ways and customs held in higher esteem than the Aussie norm.

Lovely to watch them spinning in circles over this one.

We’ve done so well to rid Aussie public life of the medieval influence of Christianity, why should we now allow the imposition of medieval Muslim norms to have effect?

uurgh, who made you arbiter of our norms? i’d rather hope the ‘aussie norm’ encompasses freedom of expression of others, no matter who they be…

Do you agree that female genital circumcision is “freedom of expression” also? This still happens to the majority of young girls in Somalia and Ethiopia (both Muslim and Christian).
The point is that while me may have been regarding the burka as a novelty until now, when the Muslim colonists to Australia become the majority then their norms will be compulsory FOR EVERYONE.
Please do some research.

So let me get this right. Because SOME African countries, that are predominately Muslum practice female circumcision you think that further Muslim migration (what ever the hell that is actually) will somehow lead to female circumcision becoming not only the norm in Australia but compulsory for everyone. Have I got that right?

If so all I can say is Mr Abbott’s scare and fear campaign is working a treat on you.

BTW you forgot Indonesia, the country with the most number of Muslims in the world. Whilst not as common as parts of Africa it too practices female circumcision. Also your argument doesn’t stack up anyway, as I no of no country in the world where female circumcision is compulsory (your words) even the ones you mentioned.

Before you dig the hole you are in deeper, you should read this: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/female-genital-mutilation-more-common-than-reports-suggest-says-pru-goward/story-e6frg6n6-1226793606313
I did not say female circumcision is compulsory anywhere and I suggested that when Muslim majority happens in Australia their norms will be come compulsory. I already said that the practice affected the majority of young women in two African countries. Majority can be anywhere between 51% and 99%.
On reviewing my posts on this issue I see that no one has opposed female genital mutilation so if no one cares, why should I?
In fact, lets just call it a non-problem because if it only happens to Muslim women then that is their problem and they are obviously happy with that (not that they have any choice).
Please confirm you are in agreement and we can all move on.

dungfungus 10:08 am 11 Oct 14

astrojax said :

dungfungus said :

astrojax said :

HenryBG said :

astrojax said :

dungfungus said :

The point is that while me may have been regarding the burka as a novelty until now, when the Muslim colonists to Australia become the majority then their norms will be compulsory FOR EVERYONE.
Please do some research.

what, like the purported chinese colonists, or vietnamese colonists or..? grow up.

What are you trying to say? That our Islamic community shares our societal values?

Funny how every time something like, say for example, the head of that community calls women “cat meat” it’s alwys just an aberration that doesn’t represent their community.

What if you’re wrong?
What if, like everywhere else that has been colonised by Islam, this community wishes to remove our rights and freedoms and replace our secular governance with sharia law?

And before trying to dismiss this question, do some research on attitudes within the Islamic communities in western countries towards these issues.

And when support for sharia law even in “progressive” muslim countries such as Malaysia stands at 86%, and in Indonesia at 72%, do you somehow imagine that in coming to Australia these attitudes are abandoned?

Luckily, we don’t have to guess – this data has been collected:
http://www.slideshare.net/brighteyes/attitudes-to-living-in-britain

36% of British muslims would prefer to have muslim neighbours.
30% of British muslims would prefer to live under Sharia law
28% of British muslims would like Britain to become an Islamic state
78% of British muslims believe Danish cartoonists should be punished
68% or British muslims believe people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted
62% disagree with freedom of speech
45% believe 9/11 was not a terrorist attack
36% believe MI6 murdered Princess Diana because she was dating a muslim
22% believe the 7/7 bus/tube bombings were justified.

So there you have it.
And the leftists are vehemently opposed to standing up for our freedoms and civil rights by even allowing a discussion of the attitudes and values prevalent within the Islamic community.

australia isn’t britain, or has the mad monk transported you back to even pre-howard times? and the muslim population in australia is about 2% – half that in britain, and hardly a threatening majority. so, what exactly is your point? how is this ‘colonisation’? why the hatemongering from you, ben dover and dungy? what are you trying to achieve – racial cleansing? perhaps some indigenous readers could comment on what they’d make of this…

Please tell me why the left objected to “Ditch the Witch” (attributed to Julia Gillard) but “the mad monk” is acceptable when referring to Tony Abbott.
Then you have the audacity to call me a hatemongerer?
At least you have the intellect to see what has happened in Britain – pity you don’t have the foresight to see that it will happen here also.

all right, i withdraw the ‘mad monk’ reference (though it is perhaps more apt and somewhat less derogatory as Abbott did train to become a monk; i’m not aware of any thaumaturgist qualities of ms gillard). and i do not purport to speak for anyone, certainly not ‘the left’ [whatever or whomever that may be]

i don’t see in britain any concerted and likely fruitful attempts to install any sharia law or similar. certainly, i am aware there is a sizable muslim population there, the vast majority of whom i understand to be civil, calm, reasonable and non-threatening. i still don’t see where you translate the loony extremist agenda of a miniscule proportion of a group of people (here, adherents to the muslim faith) with ‘colonialists’. please elaborate.

Time for you to get up to speed on sharia law’s progression in Britain:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html
Re my reference to colonisation, unlike all others that have migrated to Australia and integrated into the wider community, the Muslims have chosen to settle in specific suburbs of the cities and the the original residents tend to be pushed out. This has happened in the UK and Europe and suburbs like Lakemba in Sydney are now almost totally occupied by Muslims. They are not the minuscule proportion in these places that you pretend they are.
Do you support the emergence of these ghettos?

JC 11:42 am 10 Oct 14

dungfungus said :

astrojax said :

Ben_Dover said :

I love watching lefties twist themselves in knots over this issue. It’s a repression of women, which is blasphemy against one of the left’s sacred principles, that women should be treated better than men.

But!

By opposing it you may be seen as blaspheming against the highest sacrament of the left, that people who are form other countries, (only non-white obs,) are to have their ways and customs held in higher esteem than the Aussie norm.

Lovely to watch them spinning in circles over this one.

We’ve done so well to rid Aussie public life of the medieval influence of Christianity, why should we now allow the imposition of medieval Muslim norms to have effect?

uurgh, who made you arbiter of our norms? i’d rather hope the ‘aussie norm’ encompasses freedom of expression of others, no matter who they be…

Do you agree that female genital circumcision is “freedom of expression” also? This still happens to the majority of young girls in Somalia and Ethiopia (both Muslim and Christian).
The point is that while me may have been regarding the burka as a novelty until now, when the Muslim colonists to Australia become the majority then their norms will be compulsory FOR EVERYONE.
Please do some research.

So let me get this right. Because SOME African countries, that are predominately Muslum practice female circumcision you think that further Muslim migration (what ever the hell that is actually) will somehow lead to female circumcision becoming not only the norm in Australia but compulsory for everyone. Have I got that right?

If so all I can say is Mr Abbott’s scare and fear campaign is working a treat on you.

BTW you forgot Indonesia, the country with the most number of Muslims in the world. Whilst not as common as parts of Africa it too practices female circumcision. Also your argument doesn’t stack up anyway, as I no of no country in the world where female circumcision is compulsory (your words) even the ones you mentioned.

astrojax 10:45 am 10 Oct 14

dungfungus said :

astrojax said :

HenryBG said :

astrojax said :

dungfungus said :

The point is that while me may have been regarding the burka as a novelty until now, when the Muslim colonists to Australia become the majority then their norms will be compulsory FOR EVERYONE.
Please do some research.

what, like the purported chinese colonists, or vietnamese colonists or..? grow up.

What are you trying to say? That our Islamic community shares our societal values?

Funny how every time something like, say for example, the head of that community calls women “cat meat” it’s alwys just an aberration that doesn’t represent their community.

What if you’re wrong?
What if, like everywhere else that has been colonised by Islam, this community wishes to remove our rights and freedoms and replace our secular governance with sharia law?

And before trying to dismiss this question, do some research on attitudes within the Islamic communities in western countries towards these issues.

And when support for sharia law even in “progressive” muslim countries such as Malaysia stands at 86%, and in Indonesia at 72%, do you somehow imagine that in coming to Australia these attitudes are abandoned?

Luckily, we don’t have to guess – this data has been collected:
http://www.slideshare.net/brighteyes/attitudes-to-living-in-britain

36% of British muslims would prefer to have muslim neighbours.
30% of British muslims would prefer to live under Sharia law
28% of British muslims would like Britain to become an Islamic state
78% of British muslims believe Danish cartoonists should be punished
68% or British muslims believe people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted
62% disagree with freedom of speech
45% believe 9/11 was not a terrorist attack
36% believe MI6 murdered Princess Diana because she was dating a muslim
22% believe the 7/7 bus/tube bombings were justified.

So there you have it.
And the leftists are vehemently opposed to standing up for our freedoms and civil rights by even allowing a discussion of the attitudes and values prevalent within the Islamic community.

australia isn’t britain, or has the mad monk transported you back to even pre-howard times? and the muslim population in australia is about 2% – half that in britain, and hardly a threatening majority. so, what exactly is your point? how is this ‘colonisation’? why the hatemongering from you, ben dover and dungy? what are you trying to achieve – racial cleansing? perhaps some indigenous readers could comment on what they’d make of this…

Please tell me why the left objected to “Ditch the Witch” (attributed to Julia Gillard) but “the mad monk” is acceptable when referring to Tony Abbott.
Then you have the audacity to call me a hatemongerer?
At least you have the intellect to see what has happened in Britain – pity you don’t have the foresight to see that it will happen here also.

all right, i withdraw the ‘mad monk’ reference (though it is perhaps more apt and somewhat less derogatory as Abbott did train to become a monk; i’m not aware of any thaumaturgist qualities of ms gillard). and i do not purport to speak for anyone, certainly not ‘the left’ [whatever or whomever that may be]

i don’t see in britain any concerted and likely fruitful attempts to install any sharia law or similar. certainly, i am aware there is a sizable muslim population there, the vast majority of whom i understand to be civil, calm, reasonable and non-threatening. i still don’t see where you translate the loony extremist agenda of a miniscule proportion of a group of people (here, adherents to the muslim faith) with ‘colonialists’. please elaborate.

dungfungus 10:07 am 10 Oct 14

astrojax said :

dungfungus said :

Rustygear said :

Grimm said :

I’m gonna try getting about in a balaclava and see how that works out for me. I’ll wear it in banks and when I go to the petrol station.

Surely it would be bigoted for anybody to react poorly to not being able to see my face….

Exactly. It should be a good look on the bus too. If anyone objects just say that they’re being racist for not respecting your minority religion.

If we don’t ban the burka now we will not be able to challenge the IS “freedom fighters” in their black robes and masks when they set up bases in Australia. Even their AK-47s will be deemed to be culturally acceptable.

and you lambast those who justifiably acknowledge the science on climate change as ‘alarmist’ – oh, the irony…

IS actually exists and kills people. Can’t say the same for man made climate change.

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