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Burquas – the Hidden Threat

By John Hargreaves - 7 October 2014 45

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I saw the media recently from that bastion of protectionism, Cory Benardi, that he wants to ban the burquas from Parliament House. His call was echoed by that Pauline Hanson clone, Jacqui Lambie, that the burqua be banned in Oz entirely.

Good one. Not!

There are so many issues at stake here. Firstly, I agree that the garb is a presentation of the subjugation of women and it should be resisted. It is how it is resisted that I have issues with.

Let me suggest that if I were a terrorist and wanted to make mayhem in Parly House, I would want to firstly appear as a part of the crowd. I wouldn’t want to draw attention to myself.

Anyone who has visited Parly House knows that one has to go through the security screening and guess what, the AK 47 was spotted under the burqua at that point! Just as it was under the raincoat of the (fake) priest and the Buddhist nun.

How many times has a Buddhist monk stood out in the crowd when visiting Parly House? Every time, I reckon.
So what makes people think that a woman wearing a burqua won’t stand out, just a little bit?

Perhaps the security guards might notice? And this is after she has gone through security screening!

So get real, folks! Terrorists don’t generally draw attention to themselves BEFORE letting loose. Anyone wearing a burqua is not likely to be a threat to us in Parly House if they have been through the screening process.

And on top of that, how many of you have ever been through the halls of Senate offices? I have and you can let off a shotgun in the halls without shooting anyone. There is rarely anyone in those corridors. Benardi is so wrong!

As for Lambie, she wants to ban the burqua nationwide. Why? Because it doesn’t show a person’s face? So what? You see people with motor bike helmets walking around all the time without being challenged (unless they go into a bank or shop, where there is no screening).

But again, how many of you have seen a woman in a burqua? Don’t get it mixed up with a niqab or a hijab, or even a headscarf. It is the one with the mesh.

Don’t you reckon, this outfit draws attention to itself rather than blends into our community and thus if you have a problem, you know about it rather early?

If you have a problem with the subjugation of women, I am on your side. If you have a fear because you can’t see a women’s face, get over it!

What’s Your opinion?


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45 Responses to
Burquas – the Hidden Threat
John Hargreaves Ex M 6:39 pm 07 Oct 14

Many good points have been raised here and some really scary ones too. The burqa issue is in two parts.

The first is whether Oz should condone the subjugation of women and clearly we do not. If the demand to cover up is evidence of such subjugation, we should move to change that. But it is not illegal! Any more than nuns wearing their traditional habits. I saw the full regalia on show in Thailand and Cambodia only recently with Catholic nuns wearing the head to toe habits. So don’t tell me that we are out of step with the world. That nuns here don’t wear the traditional habits is to their credit, not to a law which outlawed the wearing of the habits.

The second is whether we should legislate to outlaw this mode of dress just because some people are uncomfortable looking at the garb. How Orwellian!

Ours is a free country and let it stay that way. We should by our words and example, respect women because they are women not because they dress the way we want them to. I note that no-one is suggesting that we legislate to get Sikhs to remove their turbans, indeed, they are exempt from bicycle laws requiring people to wear helmets when riding bikes.

People calling for the legislation are bigots and scaremongers and should be treated as bullies.

Has anyone asked the Catholic nuns how it was that they managed to come out of the habits and into everyday dress? Perhaps the Arch-Mick PM or his cohorts should do so.

Southmouth 6:26 pm 07 Oct 14

What “impositions” are Muslims putting on Aussie life? The harassment of teenage girls at beaches due to them not being “modestly” dressed.

bikhet 6:23 pm 07 Oct 14

dungfungus said :

What “impositions” are Muslims putting on Aussie public life?
Halal labelling.

Do you object to kosher labeling too?

dungfungus 5:04 pm 07 Oct 14

Ghettosmurf87 said :

Ben_Dover said :

I love watching lefties twist themselves in knots over this issue. It’s a repression of women, which is blasphemy against one of the left’s sacred principles, that women should be treated better than men.

But!

By opposing it you may be seen as blaspheming against the highest sacrament of the left, that people who are form other countries, (only non-white obs,) are to have their ways and customs held in higher esteem than the Aussie norm.

Lovely to watch them spinning in circles over this one.

We’ve done so well to rid Aussie public life of the medieval influence of Christianity, why should we now allow the imposition of medieval Muslim norms to have effect?

What “impositions” are Muslims putting on Aussie public life? How many laws in Australia are there currently which enforce the Muslim way of life on Australians. And by that I don’t mean anti-discimination laws which allow Muslims to follow their faith without being persecuted. I mean laws which force regular Aussies to somehow follow Muslim traditions?

As opposed to Christian traditions that have been enforced on society for years and years and are finally, thankfully, being wound back.

What “impositions” are Muslims putting on Aussie public life?
Halal labelling.

Ben_Dover 3:52 pm 07 Oct 14

Ghettosmurf87 said :

What “impositions” are Muslims putting on Aussie public life? How many laws in Australia are there currently which enforce the Muslim way of life on Australians. And by that I don’t mean anti-discimination laws which allow Muslims to follow their faith without being persecuted. I mean laws which force regular Aussies to somehow follow Muslim traditions?

As opposed to Christian traditions that have been enforced on society for years and years and are finally, thankfully, being wound back.

None as of yet, though there have been calls for Sharia laws, and Sharia courts. If you want to see how it can all go wrong, look to the UK experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRxbD7UxMaY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo

JC 3:33 pm 07 Oct 14

dungfungus said :

JC said :

sepi said :

The funniest part is that they wanted to put the women with burkas on behind the glass screens where all the school kids have to sit with their teachers.

If these women are so petrifying then why seat them amongst the primary schoolers?

A silly stunt, and I think it has backfired. No cosy overseas posts for Bronnie or Bernardi now that they have proved themselves to be bigots.

Firstly I will state that I don’t agree with any ban or segregation, I mean to say in Parl house in particular everyone is security screened before they get into the place, and if I am not mistaken when the houses sit there is secondary screening at the entrance to the public galleries. Additionally Parl house is for every Australian, including those that are Muslim.

That said what has been lost in the debate was the reason why Burka clad women were to go into the glassed off gallary. It wasn’t because of a physical security threat, but more so they could not interject into proceedings without being identified and subsequently ejected which is what would happen to ANYONE who interjected. In otrherwords the galss was for audio protection, which surprise surprise is why school children go there.

Again I personally reckon it is a bullsh#t reason, as it wouldn’t be hard to work out who was interjecting even if they were wearing a burka and interjected, but if we are going to have this debate it should be debated on the facts and in this case the fact is the segregation was not for physical security. Still very misguided and unhelpful, unless of course the real reason for the debate is to create a subconscious fear in the minds of Australians so that Abbott can show us how good a leader he is. Cough cough cough.

That events that create fear are very real and strong leadership is necessary under the circumstances.
You may well mock Tony Abbott now but you will thank him later on.

The issue in Syria and Iraq real, the need for our involvement on the ground debatable. In Australia the threat low the hype IMO nothing but political scaremongering.

As for thanking Abbott I assume you mean like how we thanked Howard for his efforts? Yeah right.

Southmouth 3:22 pm 07 Oct 14

I read recently that a Muslim lady who was raised from her bed during last months anti terror raids is considering legal action because she was not allowed to get dressed to protect her modesty. Now I’m sure that was extremely unpleasant for her but it does concern me that the implication is that the modesty of a Muslim woman is somehow more important, and to be dealt with differently, than the modesty of a non Muslim woman.

Ghettosmurf87 2:19 pm 07 Oct 14

Ben_Dover said :

I love watching lefties twist themselves in knots over this issue. It’s a repression of women, which is blasphemy against one of the left’s sacred principles, that women should be treated better than men.

But!

By opposing it you may be seen as blaspheming against the highest sacrament of the left, that people who are form other countries, (only non-white obs,) are to have their ways and customs held in higher esteem than the Aussie norm.

Lovely to watch them spinning in circles over this one.

We’ve done so well to rid Aussie public life of the medieval influence of Christianity, why should we now allow the imposition of medieval Muslim norms to have effect?

What “impositions” are Muslims putting on Aussie public life? How many laws in Australia are there currently which enforce the Muslim way of life on Australians. And by that I don’t mean anti-discimination laws which allow Muslims to follow their faith without being persecuted. I mean laws which force regular Aussies to somehow follow Muslim traditions?

As opposed to Christian traditions that have been enforced on society for years and years and are finally, thankfully, being wound back.

dungfungus 2:05 pm 07 Oct 14

Ben_Dover said :

I love watching lefties twist themselves in knots over this issue. It’s a repression of women, which is blasphemy against one of the left’s sacred principles, that women should be treated better than men.

But!

By opposing it you may be seen as blaspheming against the highest sacrament of the left, that people who are form other countries, (only non-white obs,) are to have their ways and customs held in higher esteem than the Aussie norm.

Lovely to watch them spinning in circles over this one.

We’ve done so well to rid Aussie public life of the medieval influence of Christianity, why should we now allow the imposition of medieval Muslim norms to have effect?

Excellent comment.

Ben_Dover 1:45 pm 07 Oct 14

I love watching lefties twist themselves in knots over this issue. It’s a repression of women, which is blasphemy against one of the left’s sacred principles, that women should be treated better than men.

But!

By opposing it you may be seen as blaspheming against the highest sacrament of the left, that people who are form other countries, (only non-white obs,) are to have their ways and customs held in higher esteem than the Aussie norm.

Lovely to watch them spinning in circles over this one.

We’ve done so well to rid Aussie public life of the medieval influence of Christianity, why should we now allow the imposition of medieval Muslim norms to have effect?

Acton 12:02 pm 07 Oct 14

John
I disagree. I do have a problem with not seeing a person’s face.
Hiding your identity is un-Australian because we are an open, equal society that thrives on interaction.
We are not a closed Arab society and we do not wish to become a society where women fear to go out in public unveiled, or wear a form of clothing designed to create barriers or to show superiority over others.
I do not want to see a predominance of head to toe, black veiled women and girls in our public places, including shopping centres and schools.
Already in Britain some non-Muslim women are now being criticised for not covering up. We never want to get to the stage where women are subjected to harassment because they are not conforming to a Moslem standard of dress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo
I know this is not your vision for Australia either.
So we should not be condoning or encouraging women to venture out in public hidden behind a veil, whether by compulsion or choice.
We must never tolerate behaviour deliberately designed to create barriers in communication, to intimidate or display superiority of one race or religion over others.
Whatever our own beliefs we live in a society where we should modify our public expressions to respect the sensitivities of those we live with. It is called mutual respect.
The fact is that many Australians are not comfortable with people concealing themselves in public.
The best outcome would be for Moslem women themselves to choose not to wear a form of dress that is offensive to their fellow Australians.

dungfungus 12:02 pm 07 Oct 14

JC said :

sepi said :

The funniest part is that they wanted to put the women with burkas on behind the glass screens where all the school kids have to sit with their teachers.

If these women are so petrifying then why seat them amongst the primary schoolers?

A silly stunt, and I think it has backfired. No cosy overseas posts for Bronnie or Bernardi now that they have proved themselves to be bigots.

Firstly I will state that I don’t agree with any ban or segregation, I mean to say in Parl house in particular everyone is security screened before they get into the place, and if I am not mistaken when the houses sit there is secondary screening at the entrance to the public galleries. Additionally Parl house is for every Australian, including those that are Muslim.

That said what has been lost in the debate was the reason why Burka clad women were to go into the glassed off gallary. It wasn’t because of a physical security threat, but more so they could not interject into proceedings without being identified and subsequently ejected which is what would happen to ANYONE who interjected. In otrherwords the galss was for audio protection, which surprise surprise is why school children go there.

Again I personally reckon it is a bullsh#t reason, as it wouldn’t be hard to work out who was interjecting even if they were wearing a burka and interjected, but if we are going to have this debate it should be debated on the facts and in this case the fact is the segregation was not for physical security. Still very misguided and unhelpful, unless of course the real reason for the debate is to create a subconscious fear in the minds of Australians so that Abbott can show us how good a leader he is. Cough cough cough.

That events that create fear are very real and strong leadership is necessary under the circumstances.
You may well mock Tony Abbott now but you will thank him later on.

JC 11:21 am 07 Oct 14

sepi said :

The funniest part is that they wanted to put the women with burkas on behind the glass screens where all the school kids have to sit with their teachers.

If these women are so petrifying then why seat them amongst the primary schoolers?

A silly stunt, and I think it has backfired. No cosy overseas posts for Bronnie or Bernardi now that they have proved themselves to be bigots.

Firstly I will state that I don’t agree with any ban or segregation, I mean to say in Parl house in particular everyone is security screened before they get into the place, and if I am not mistaken when the houses sit there is secondary screening at the entrance to the public galleries. Additionally Parl house is for every Australian, including those that are Muslim.

That said what has been lost in the debate was the reason why Burka clad women were to go into the glassed off gallary. It wasn’t because of a physical security threat, but more so they could not interject into proceedings without being identified and subsequently ejected which is what would happen to ANYONE who interjected. In otrherwords the galss was for audio protection, which surprise surprise is why school children go there.

Again I personally reckon it is a bullsh#t reason, as it wouldn’t be hard to work out who was interjecting even if they were wearing a burka and interjected, but if we are going to have this debate it should be debated on the facts and in this case the fact is the segregation was not for physical security. Still very misguided and unhelpful, unless of course the real reason for the debate is to create a subconscious fear in the minds of Australians so that Abbott can show us how good a leader he is. Cough cough cough.

dungfungus 10:49 am 07 Oct 14

A lot of people are now saying that the burka (and its derivatives) is an Islamic cultural mandate that requires Australians’ consideration and respect.

In fact, it is being used as a political statement directed at the non-Muslim world, and Australia, that champion for women’s freedom, should aggressively challenge with the view to banning it.

There appears to be a nucleus of Australian women who have converted to Islam leading the charge “to be offended” and anyone criticizing their tactics is bound to be slapped down by the progressive media.

The burka is not part Australian cultural heritage and its presence is at odds with our open society.
Australian social fabric is built on mutual toleration between migrants intending to become Australians and those of us who are here and established the way of life that is attractive to the rest of the world.

sepi 10:12 am 07 Oct 14

The funniest part is that they wanted to put the women with burkas on behind the glass screens where all the school kids have to sit with their teachers.

If these women are so petrifying then why seat them amongst the primary schoolers?

A silly stunt, and I think it has backfired. No cosy overseas posts for Bronnie or Bernardi now that they have proved themselves to be bigots.

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