Canberra makes it to 26 most livable city in the world

johnboy 27 May 2010 42

The Mercer Worldwide Quality of Living Survey has, for the first time, rated Canberra!

OK, it’s at number 26 behind Vienna, Zurich, Geneva, Vancouver, Auckland, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Munich, Bern, Sydney, Copenhagen, Wellington, Amsterdam, Ottawa, Brussels, Toronto, Berlin, Melbourne, Luxembourg, Stockholm, Perth, Montreal, Hamburg, Nurnburg, and Oslo.

Just imagine how we’d go with a light rail system!

Mr Stanhope is cock-a-hoop at the result.

“This is a great result for Canberra. This survey puts us well ahead of other Australian cities such as Brisbane, Hobart and Adelaide,” Mr Stanhope said.

“It also shows we are streets ahead of many of the great cities of the world such as New York, San Francisco, Barcelona, London, Singapore and Tokyo.

“This is the first time Canberra has been included in this survey which ranks cities on a variety of criteria including its economic stability, infrastructure and transport facilities, crime rates and its relative strength in areas of education, the environment, housing, sporting facilities and even the range and quality of restaurants, theatres and cinemas.

Apparently this is a vindication of the Stanhope Government’s policies.

We also came 21 in eco-cityness.


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watto23 watto23 5:00 pm 31 May 10

What amazes me is that Drzaius thinks that getting a degree from ANU might make a difference. I’ve rarely worked for employers that cared where i got my engineering degree from, many didn’t care if I even had one.

So what are you studying that is so important to get it from the ANU? Arts or science?

Anhd if you think being a public servant is a failure, try telling all those Canberrans, that enjoy high average wages and low unemployment. Oh for the record I am not a public servant myself and never have been.

I’m a youngish person in my mid 30’s and I grew up here. The people leaving seem to love being crowded in everywhere they go. I went to Buenos Aires recently and heard rave reviews. Really it was another Sydney, NY, London clone. Lots to do, but no real personal space. Packed trains and buses, lots of traffic and pollution.
But if having a few extra pubs and clubs to go to is what you really want, then don’t live here.

Personally its about time Canberra gets some recognition for being a great place to live. Too many polls seem to think people love living in big crowded cities.

I think if there were more smaller cities with employment and good standard of living like Canberra, people would live there.

la mente torbida la mente torbida 1:48 pm 31 May 10

@Drzaius…almost forgot…if you can take 5 of your like-minded mates with you, Canberra gets promoted to 20th place

la mente torbida la mente torbida 1:45 pm 31 May 10

I want my entertainment, AND I WANT IT NOW!!!

@Woody +1

@Drzaius or is it Dr Zaius?
3 hours away, Sydney or NSW Uni…watch out for the door on the Federal Highway

J Dawg J Dawg 11:51 am 31 May 10

Pommy Bastard, I must disagree with you about the nightlife here. I must say, as a young student, the lack of venues (which really isn’t too bad, not ideal but it’s not like there is only 1 place to go) is made up for ridiculously cheap drinks. I mean, absolutely cheap. $2 drinks on student nights (and most other nights until 11pm/12am) are unheard of in many other cities. Also, the fact that the student nightlife is so condensed here (in civic every night spot is within a few mins walk) is another bonus.

Honestly, what it lacks in range it certainly makes up for in cost and accessability!

(and it’s a little unfair to compare the UK pub culture to Australia! They are totally different!)

Pommy bastard Pommy bastard 4:59 pm 30 May 10

Canberra is a bit like Cornwall (UK) in many respects, it’s not a place to be young, you need to have a more mature outlook and needs to find Canberra a good place to live.

I was surprised to find out how crappy the nightlife is here, I didn’t actually realise this until a friend from the UK’s daughter, and her mate, came to stay with us. They were both early 20’s and having a year out after Uni, doing the world tour thing. It was almost embarrassing to try to show them a good time here.

When I lived in Exter, UK, which has 1/3 the population of Canberra, but had seven nightclubs, and even one which catered to us old farts. Exeter has 60+ pubs, some crackers too, Canberra has the W&P, Tillys, a couple of pseudo Irish bars, the Pot and????

Really if you are not into the Rugby clubs type bars, there isn’t a great deal here.

And again, I must restate that I love it here. I just wouldn’t want to be in my 20’s here.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 12:29 pm 30 May 10

Generally when people claim that they’re bored in Canberra, it’s because they’ve got no friends to hang out with and do stuff with.

That is one thing that many people say about Canberra: it can be difficult to ‘break in’ to a clique of likeminded individuals.

Personally, I could only dream to have enough time to be bored. I’ve generally got so much to do that I feel guilty if I don’t go out.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 6:22 pm 29 May 10

So let me see if I’ve got this straight:

– you get bored after around 10pm on weeknights
– when you’re bored you eat or watch movies or drink coffee, but for some reason you must do these things in a commercial establishment
– restaurants, cafes and cinemas in Canberra are closed by 10pm on weeknights
– you don’t want to do any of the things most people do late at night, ie drink and dance, and so you avoid those establishments that are open
– therefore, Canberra sucks.

Is that about it?

J Dawg J Dawg 4:56 pm 29 May 10

Drzaius said :

@J Dawg ANU is the highest ranked university in the Southern Hemisphere, which is why myself and many people want their degree from there.

Although many of the undergrad degrees are at ANU on par with those from other Group of Eight unis (Postgrad and other research definietly boost the ANU’s ranking in the tables). If you’re going to bitch about Canberra being terrible, then why don’t you sacrifice the whole “ANU is best” mentality and live in a city which lives up to “your standards”.

Drzaius said :

Having a hobby and sport indeed provides something to do at certain times of some days but it doesn’t provide more places or events to go to.

Ummm yes it does. Events = trainings and sporting matches, maybe watching other games of your chosen sport. Hobbies will give you something to do. Think about it – take up sailing during the days, maybe birdwatching or something that will eat up a whole day. Or take up mountain biking, some of the best tracks in Aus here. Or Motorcycling, plenty of nice roads in the area. Or a musical instrument – join a band. Just from these examples there are plenty of places for you to go, and events for you to attend. And they also provide further social opportunities.

Drzaius said :

If I’m bored at 9 or 10pm on a weekday there’s nothing to do. Most cafes and restaurants are closed or closing, all movie sessions end at 9:30pm and to my knowledge there’s no other options at night in Canberra that don’t involve putting up with a lot of drunk people.

Social lives don’t close like shops do. So do what everyone else at uni does on weeknights – go hang out with some mates.

Drzaius said :

Maybe your College friends have only been here for a couple of years and unlike many long-term residents I know, aren’t sick of this place yet.

Maybe they might get sick, but many of the long-term residents I know (myself included) seem not to bitch and moan about Canberra and never seem to be bored.

Once again I’ll refer to an earlier post – there is a problem with the person not the city. If you want something more, then move along, get your quality education in another city and enjoy all the 24 hour coffee and movies you want.

Drzaius Drzaius 2:30 pm 29 May 10

@J Dawg ANU is the highest ranked university in the Southern Hemisphere, which is why myself and many people want their degree from there. I got a good enough UAI to get into said university so personal attacks about my performance at school are not necessary. I lived in Canberra for 10 years before I finished College so it is logical to go to ANU and not Sydney etc.

An objective argument from your side would be a bit easier to swallow, especially considering you don’t know anything about me and are assuming that I don’t have any hobbies or sports to play. Putting forward the argument that I need a hobby or sport isn’t exactly responding to the topic anyway. Having a hobby and sport indeed provides something to do at certain times of some days but it doesn’t provide more places or events to go to. If I’m bored at 9 or 10pm on a weekday there’s nothing to do. Most cafes and restaurants are closed or closing, all movie sessions end at 9:30pm and to my knowledge there’s no other options at night in Canberra that don’t involve putting up with a lot of drunk people. The only place that sells coffee in Belconnen after 4pm is McDonalds!

Maybe your College friends have only been here for a couple of years and unlike many long-term residents I know, aren’t sick of this place yet. We did every tourist thing there is to do about a million times throughout High School and College; the Gallery etc. We are thoroughly sick of having no options for things to do at night (maybe some of my points allude to the reasons why binge drinking is so big in Canberra?). It’s annoying having to drive to Sydney for decent festivals and concerts all the time. The ANU and Transit bars only have a band we’re interested in about once a month or so.

My experiences of Canberra are that it’s not a real city so I tend to agree with Pommy Bastard. I don’t know if many people on this thread have been overseas but Canberra is an absolute ghost town compared to real cities. I’ve had foreign exchange students here tell me that there’s ‘no people’ and they find it really inconvenient that they have to wait for so long for public transport (as opposed to their capitals where you can get on the light rail every 2 minutes). I realise that there’s no population density here for such a system but doesn’t therein lye the problem? Canberra’s ranked 26 on a poll that compares it to cities that DO have such amazing transport systems and host big events etc.?

    johnboy johnboy 4:31 pm 29 May 10

    Ahh, belconnen. there’s the problem.

    Outer suburbs of most cities suck balls.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 1:02 pm 29 May 10

drzaius – what is it exactly you crave in other cities that you don’t get here? Let’s get specific. What is it exactly that you want to do that you (claim) can’t be done in Canberra?

moneypenny2612 moneypenny2612 12:47 pm 29 May 10

Ceej1973 said :

Adelaide ahead of Canberra in the Eco results ! They must have really really good rail and traffic solutions (that is true) in order to make up for the water score. Last I heard, they were fairly low on water (availability), and the last few times I were there and from acqaintances experiences, thier water tastes(potability)like crap!

I believe Adelaide gets brownie points for things like efficient water usage (such as storm water usage), and waste disposal – the 10 cent bottle deposit scheme counts for something plus most local councils offer extensive garden waste collection services. Public transport is now pretty good there too (my parents live in the Adelaide equivalent of Weston Creek – I can get from there to the CBD by bus in half an hour, and the buses are reasonably frequent).

Curiously, you read the SA Premier’s media releases about the Mercer survey and they look suspiciously like the ones coming out of Stanhopia. And apparently more people in Adelaide cycle to work than here. This surprises me a bit.

http://www.ministers.sa.gov.au/images/stories/mediareleasesMAY10/adelaide%20top%20of%20the%20eco%20pops.pdf

J Dawg J Dawg 11:45 am 29 May 10

Drzaius said :

I live here because I want my degree from ANU. If ANU were located elsewhere I would not be in Canberra.

Read: “My TER wasn’t good enough for Sydney Uni or Melbourne Uni, now I have a grudge against Canberra because of that.” Seen and heard it before.

Drzaius said :

I went to the Multicultural Festival this year, expecting it to be really good and interesting because it was the first event here in ages and when I got there at about 9pm there were say 200 people there. It was bizarre.

That’s because you went at 9pm, maybe if you went in the afternoon you would’ve found the thousands of people you crave so much for. I was there in the afternoon (3-5ish) and it was so packed I couldn’t move. A lot more than 200 people there!
As for it being the “first event here in ages”, maybe getting out from under your rock would help you see there is more to do, you just have to look a bit harder than mainstream advertising (especially for students).

Drzaius said :

Tell me you’ve never heard someone say ‘it’s a good place to raise kids’?! Well what about all the people without kids?!

That’s who I’m representing.

Well I’m at ANU, I don’t have kids, so I’m representing that demographic too, and I think this is an great city. I stand by my comments before: you need a better social life, better hobbies, or play some sport. The problem is on your end, don’t blame the city for it.
The funny thing is that nearly every person I’ve spoken to who live in Colleges at ANU (nearly all have been from Sydney too for some reason) absolutely love it here. Maybe you should find out what you are doing wrong, because they don’t have the same attitude.

Ceej1973 Ceej1973 3:34 am 29 May 10

Adelaide ahead of Canberra in the Eco results ! They must have really really good rail and traffic solutions (that is true) in order to make up for the water score. Last I heard, they were fairly low on water (availability), and the last few times I were there and from acqaintances experiences, thier water tastes(potability)like crap!

Drzaius Drzaius 11:46 pm 28 May 10

I live here because I want my degree from ANU. If ANU were located elsewhere I would not be in Canberra. I don’t know what the big deal is about my comment. I know many people who grew up in Canberra who have either left as soon as possible after finishing study or are currently desperate to leave but have study commitments. It’s the norm in my experience for people to go to Sydney for better job/lifestyle opportunities. Those who don’t leave and simply become public servants are seen to be unsuccessful.

I went to the Multicultural Festival this year, expecting it to be really good and interesting because it was the first event here in ages and when I got there at about 9pm there were say 200 people there. It was bizarre. If a multicultural festival were on in any other city there’d be thousands of people there. In any other city there are multiple unique markets on every weekend but here there’s the Bus Depot, which is the same every week. One word: boring. It’s fine if you don’t agree with me on these particular issues but I guess I’d like to point out that as a ‘city’, Canberra should really accommodate for a larger demographic of citizens. Tell me you’ve never heard someone say ‘it’s a good place to raise kids’?! Well what about all the people without kids?! That’s who I’m representing.

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 5:23 pm 28 May 10

Drzaius said :

I really don’t understand how Canberra was ranked so high. Maybe if they actually interviewed some residents instead of just looking at stats they would realise that there is absolutely nothing to do here. Who cares about trees when it’s so miserable 8 months of the year you don’t want to go outside! Not to mention that much of the city and Inner North is inhabited by welfare recipients. Driving into the city from Sydney is an embarrassment…all those clothes hanging on balconies… I could go on for a while.

Why then, do you live here????

arescarti42 arescarti42 1:49 pm 28 May 10

BimboGeek said :

This makes so much more sense than the “light rail up Northbourne Av” that is often discussed.

It depends. Comparing a tourist tram to a light rail line up Northbourne is really like comparing apples with oranges. One would essentially be a tourist attraction, whilst the other would be commuter transport.

BimboGeek BimboGeek 12:31 pm 28 May 10

clp said :

Oh and there needs to be a free tram circuit around Barton for tourists

+ a hundred!!

The tourist loop should go down through Parkes, up into Barton, maybe even up to Kingston and Manuka. Then run it over Commonwealth Bridge to Civic. This makes so much more sense than the “light rail up Northbourne Av” that is often discussed.

Although… given the roadworks at the top of Kings Bridge, the congestion on Northbourne Av and the complete drama of Glenloch, I’m starting to think that a completely new dedicated infrastructure is going to be the only way of actually getting anywhere on time.

arescarti42 arescarti42 12:10 pm 28 May 10

trevar said :

Places like Sydney and Melbourne are conglomerations of politically independent cities; they are metropolises, not cities.

I’ve always found the distinction to be quite interesting.

A somewhat off topic bit of information, but unlike the Sydney metropolitan area (which i believe contains the City of Sydney), there is actually no City of Tokyo within the Tokyo metropolitan area. Strictly speaking, the city of Tokyo does not exist, which is kind of funny given that in broader terms Tokyo is the largest city in the world.

kambahkrawler kambahkrawler 11:32 am 28 May 10

Someone at Mercer’s has obviously been playing with a map and found us.

JessP JessP 11:24 am 28 May 10

And Belconnen is the best part of Canberra!! Except for the Westfield which is a disaster.

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