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Canberra: the home of the $91,000 (plus overtime) bus driver

By PantsMan 7 September 2012 34

I was perusing the ACT Treasury’s STANDARD COSTING PARAMETERS 2012 (corrected version) and I happened upon the hitherto unknown costs of actually employing ACT Public Servants.  The stunning numbers are here:

1.2 Cost Elements

Standard or benchmark costs are as follows.

1.2.1 Employment of Frontline Staff (Average Total Cost)

$91,000 per Bus Driver(a)

$95,000 per Classroom Teacher (a)

$132,000 per Fire Fighter (a)(b)

$147,000 per Fire Station Manager (a)(b)

$107,000 per Nurse(a)

$130,000 per Police Officer (Constable rank)(a)

$172,000 per Police Officer (Sergeant rank)(a)

Notes:

(a) Includes on-costs (workers compensation, superannuation, leave etc)

(b) Includes overtime provision

I suppose one is happy to know that some of our 90 per cent subsidy to ACTION is kicking back to the TWU members.  And I suppose classroom teachers will be happy to know they are only $4,000 more worthy.

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nyssa1976 9:55 am 11 Sep 12

Antagonist, you’re right with the Super.

Masquara, you are far from correct. We are entitled to 2 weeks leave – at Christmas. The rest is classified as ‘stand down’, which means we are not on ‘holidays’, we are working and if necessary at school at the whim of ACTEDT should they ‘order’ it. It’s not ‘extra’ leave btw. My pay goes over 26 weeks so I don’t know where you are getting the ‘extra’ 8 weeks from.

I’ve yet to see you take up my offer to teach my classes. Whilst I now work at a ‘good’ school (parent definition not mine), I highly doubt even my best students would not agree with your previous statements. I think you would last 1/2 a day (and I’m being generous). I’ll happily swap with you for the week 🙂

‘Volunteering’ is unpaid work. However, most people ‘whinge’ that teachers work from 9am until 3pm just for the pay cheque. It’s a joke.

Oh and I’m not a member of the AEU. I think they’re a bunch of idiots.

I do my job because I love it. Not because I want to make copious amounts of money. My students, and their parents, know this and that is what counts, not the ramblings of an uneducated whinger.

Antagonist 9:20 am 11 Sep 12

Masquara said :

nyssa1976 said :

For the OP, the highest a classroom teacher earns in the ACT atm is $84350.

Plus eight weeks extra leave – no contradiction to that statement having been posted. That makes the effective highest classroom teacher salary closer to $109,000 per annum. That’s pretty decent remuneration for an undergraduate qually by any measure.

There are also two superannuation components that are not being factored in. One is EPSC (Employer Superannuation Productivity Component) which is roughly 3% give or take, plus the ESC (Employer Superannuation Component) which is at least 10% depending on the super scheme (CSS, or the two PSS variants). Nyssa will be able to confirm this by having a quick peek at her payslip. I cannot provide exact figures because I no longer have access to the employer section of the ComSuper website.

scorpio63 11:13 pm 10 Sep 12

The work Bus Drivers take home Innovation are stresses, stresses and more stresses that, not unlike police officers, stays with many of them through their retirement ie dealing with adults from all walks of life, juveniles and school children x 20yrs+ on average, listening and assisting many people and children on their buses up until around the year 2000 before the Canberra population exploded and many of the new OH&S regulations changed.

Masquara 11:00 pm 10 Sep 12

johnboy said :

Teachers who do other jobs might be shocked to discover that most of us take work home too. Unless you’re working in a low wage job with a punch card there’s much to be done.

And pretty much every EL1 level public servant I know usually works through lunch and puts in at least a 9-hour day, plus taking work home, on the equivalent salary to the aforementioned teacher’s salary with the 8 weeks extra leave taken into account. We all work long hours. Frankly I don’t think teachers work any harder than the rest of us. They’re just champion unionised whingers!

Masquara 10:54 pm 10 Sep 12

nyssa1976 said :

For the OP, the highest a classroom teacher earns in the ACT atm is $84350.

Plus eight weeks extra leave – no contradiction to that statement having been posted. That makes the effective highest classroom teacher salary closer to $109,000 per annum. That’s pretty decent remuneration for an undergraduate qually by any measure.

Masquara 10:51 pm 10 Sep 12

nyssa1976 said :

It’s people like you Masquara with an uneducated opinion who give credence to ‘teaching bashing’ and one of the reasons why teachers leave the profession after 3 years.

Er I haven’t had an answer to my simple question: how many weeks DO teachers get in a year? If it isn’t a total of three months, same as the schoolchildren – what is the total? Simple enough question, and if that’s incorrect, do say so. And spending a Sunday of extra-curricular time with students on a voluntary basis – sorry, but that doesn’t count as paid employment.

mcleodwealth 10:15 pm 10 Sep 12

nyssa1976 said :

It’s people like you Masquara with an uneducated opinion who give credence to ‘teaching bashing’ and one of the reasons why teachers leave the profession after 3 years.

Are you people still engaging in that great Australian tradition of envy bashing? This has really propelled this nation toward greatness hasn’t it. That’s why so few of our great minds and performers have ever left.

This is also one of the reasons why most of Australian export income now comes from raw commodities (http://www.dfat.gov.au/publications/stats-pubs/cot-cy-2011.pdf). Which is ironic now that iron ore prices have been in free fall the last week if anyone has paid any attention.

Teachers should be lauded, they may be the last thing standing between us and the banana republic when the commodity tide rushes out and we’re left standing naked (economically). An early childhood teacher holds the future in their hands. It’s worth considering. I know I’d prefer a well paid well trained teacher with my children.

Essential services are called that for a reason, they’re essential. Meanwhile there are perhaps other ‘non essential’ expenditures that we would extract a higher return from examining more closely. A $480,000 fibreglass installation in Belconnen immediately springs to mind, as but one example. I am still not sure what the ‘return’ from this expenditure is meant to be.

This conversation would have some relevance if the question were asked about how the ACT’s international ranking has moved in the last few decades, and then go from there. Or how well our public transport system is functioning and meeting its goals. If we’re not where we should be, I’m not sure penalising teachers and bus drivers is the answer. This may only serve to assuage our never ending quest for pie-equality, without considering how to grow the pie.

Innovation 10:09 pm 09 Sep 12

johnboy said :

Teachers who do other jobs might be shocked to discover that most of us take work home too. Unless you’re working in a low wage job with a punch card there’s much to be done.

So are bus drivers low wage or do they take work home with them?

Jethro 10:07 pm 09 Sep 12

johnboy said :

Teachers who do other jobs might be shocked to discover that most of us take work home too. Unless you’re working in a low wage job with a punch card there’s much to be done.

Get off it JB.

They weren’t claiming that teachers work hours so extraordinary that their work stands out as a unique example of people who put in massive hours.

They were simply challenging the ridiculous notion that teachers get 12 weeks holidays a year.

threepaws 9:31 pm 09 Sep 12

I know someone who has been a police officer for over five years (First Constable rank) and his taxable income, including overtime, is just over $80,000.

Obviously the figures quoted above include on-costs, but it appears the on-cost proportion differs significantly depending on the profession. I assume that there is such a large difference between the total cost for a police officer (Constable rank) and their taxable income due to not only workers comp, leave and super but ongoing training, assessment and equipment etc.

nyssa1976 9:19 pm 09 Sep 12

Masquara said :

Darkfalz said :

Masquara said :

School teachers get three months holiday a year

There are people who still believe this utter nonsense?

How is it nonsense? How many weeks’ leave do you think schoolteachers have?

If you have a police check, I’ll get a colleague to supervise you as you take my classes and walk a week in my shoes.

I personally take 2 weeks off, but before you pitch a fit, that’s a 2 week block without one day of programming, planning, marking or resource locating. The ‘remainder’ are spent doing just that. I also go into work during school holidays and as a parent I usually take my children in with me, but now that most are 13+ I don’t need to do that as much.

I spend every weekend marking, preparing and programming because I want my students to have the best education I can give them.

It’s people like you Masquara with an uneducated opinion who give credence to ‘teaching bashing’ and one of the reasons why teachers leave the profession after 3 years.

    johnboy 9:22 pm 09 Sep 12

    Teachers who do other jobs might be shocked to discover that most of us take work home too. Unless you’re working in a low wage job with a punch card there’s much to be done.

Innovation 7:38 pm 09 Sep 12

Masquara said :

School teachers get three months holiday a year vs busdrivers four weeks. So how about an appropriate comparison, Pantsman? Personally I think $67,000 salary per year for a bus driver is about right. Most teachers are on considerably more than that (more like 80,000 + 8 weeks’ extra holidays), which makes them pretty darn well paid.

I think you will find teachers get considerably less than time off that that and most good teachers would be lucky to get four weeks leave in total and put in considerably more hours per day with coursework, marking and other such admin.

Masquara 7:27 pm 09 Sep 12

Darkfalz said :

Masquara said :

School teachers get three months holiday a year

There are people who still believe this utter nonsense?

How is it nonsense? How many weeks’ leave do you think schoolteachers have?

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