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Canberra unites on short-term alcohol crackdown

RiotPost 11 December 2009 24

This weekend is Operation Unite, the trans-Tasman police crackdown on alcohol related incidents.

The news carriers are flooding the airwaves, papers, tv and net with quotes from police chiefs. Indeed the SMH even has Canberra’s Mick Phelan saying his bit.

But is this really going to achieve anything?

Call me cynical but I can’t see this doing anything beyond this weekend. Unless there has been a massive funding increase for the police I’m fairly sure the numbers of cops which we’ll see on the street will not be able to be sustained.

Policing is only one aspect of reducing drunken street crime. Do we put more emphasis on personal responsibility? Put more regulation and enforcement on those that sell it? Or do we just put up with it?

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sloppery sloppery 4:34 pm 14 Dec 09

Maybe we should raise the legal drinking age…? Perhaps to 19?

housebound housebound 1:42 pm 14 Dec 09

p1 said :

I remember when my brother worked in one of the mining towns out west in NSW, they were having a lot of stabbings in town at 4 or 5 am.

That stopped the bars selling grog after 12 midnight, although they could stay open. Instead of drinking steadily for hours and hours, people would get them in quicker, buy half a dozen just before cut off, drink all those in record time, and be way too munted to get in real fights.

Perversely effective.

neanderthalsis neanderthalsis 12:36 pm 14 Dec 09

ChrisinTurner said :

I can’t understand why the police only have this attitude to drunken behaviour for two nights. Aren’t they paid to do this 365 days a year?

It is more the will of our political masters to make this an ongoing issue that will achieve a solution. I’m sure that if there was a significant increase in police resourcing, more could be done.

The occasional blitz won’t solve a thing.

worldsmessiestbartender worldsmessiestbartender 12:26 pm 14 Dec 09

As someone who worked Friday and Saturday night in Civic, the additional cops were very welcome.
Yes it would be great if there were that many around all the time, it would also help if some of the drunken muppets took some responsibility for themselves, and didn’t forget to go to the bathroom to urinate, or worse yet forget that its best to at least not do it in your pants while at the bar.

dvaey dvaey 12:20 pm 14 Dec 09

basketcase said :

Shutting the pubs and clubs at 10pm or midnight would be a start.

As someone who finishes work at 10pm and often likes to go out for a drink after work, I tend to disagree. Sure, someone going to get a drink at midnight might sound bad to you, but I think the same thought about those who go to get the morning paper from the shops at 6am, or kids walking to school early in the morning. Why dont they normalise the hours around *MY* schedule? Everyone lives/works different hours, and society has adapted to cope with that.

Sure, you might see no point to a business staying open until late, but I see no purpose to a business being open early in the morning.

spinact said :

Get drunk, fall over, it’s the barman’s fault.

If the barman kept serving you alcohol once you were drunk, then yes I believe it *IS* the barmans fault. The laws for responsible service of alcohol, are there to stop bar staff from giving more alcohol to those who have reached their limit. Unless someone is actively causing trouble most bar staff will keep taking their drinking money and providing more and more booze, then when trouble DOES start, the customer is asked to leave, by which time theyve had 20 drinks and are in no mood to negotiate.

Working behind a bar isnt just an excuse to party and serve alcohol, its a responsibility which too few bar staff seem to take seriously. We dont need more laws, we just need the laws we have to be enforced, then maybe if bar staff started being held accountable, they’d understand the seriousness of their role in protecting customers and complying with responsible service of alcohol rules.

spinact spinact 11:57 am 14 Dec 09

J Dawg said :

basketcase said :

Shutting the pubs and clubs at 10pm or midnight would be a start.

I don’t think that’d work too well, because then when it hits 10pm or 12am or whatever, you have hundreds of drunk people who are annoyed because they want to keep drinking on the streets, no doubt taking out their anger on everyone around them.

Good in theory, bad in practice.

Maybe a ‘no spirits after 11pm, no beer/wine after 12am but venues can stay open as long as they want (serving soft drinks and water)’ approach might work…

Have to agree, good theory but won’t work in practice. We used to have the 6pm closing back in the olden days, I don’t think that was raging success.

This is one of those problems where there is no one single quick fix. A curfew probably wouldn’t work and limiting what kind of alcohol can be purchased probably wouldn’t work either. How would you enforce rules like that?

Tooks Tooks 9:07 am 14 Dec 09

ChrisinTurner said :

I can’t understand why the police only have this attitude to drunken behaviour for two nights. Aren’t they paid to do this 365 days a year?

Do you watch the news or read newspapers? It was part of a national (also NZ) crackdown on alcohol related crimes, using increased numbers of police to target areas where people drink.

Do you really think they ignore this behaviour for the rest of the year?

ChrisinTurner ChrisinTurner 6:08 pm 13 Dec 09

I can’t understand why the police only have this attitude to drunken behaviour for two nights. Aren’t they paid to do this 365 days a year?

Mordd Mordd 4:19 pm 13 Dec 09

Why can’t we just have lock-ins after midnight/2am like they do in ireland for example?

p1 p1 3:32 pm 13 Dec 09

I remember when my brother worked in one of the mining towns out west in NSW, they were having a lot of stabbings in town at 4 or 5 am.

That stopped the bars selling grog after 12 midnight, although they could stay open. Instead of drinking steadily for hours and hours, people would get them in quicker, buy half a dozen just before cut off, drink all those in record time, and be way too munted to get in real fights.

J Dawg J Dawg 11:22 pm 12 Dec 09

basketcase said :

Shutting the pubs and clubs at 10pm or midnight would be a start.

I don’t think that’d work too well, because then when it hits 10pm or 12am or whatever, you have hundreds of drunk people who are annoyed because they want to keep drinking on the streets, no doubt taking out their anger on everyone around them.

Good in theory, bad in practice.

Maybe a ‘no spirits after 11pm, no beer/wine after 12am but venues can stay open as long as they want (serving soft drinks and water)’ approach might work…

Having said that, I would be against any such curfew idea. I think the arrogant drunks of today are only influenced by the police and any other authority, but only in numbers! Which is a shame and a huge drain on resources, but then again the problem is too large to be contained economically.

imhotep imhotep 7:00 pm 12 Dec 09

basketcase said :

Shutting the pubs and clubs at 10pm or midnight would be a start.

I agree with the idea, although imagine the wailing if they ever tried it.

basketcase basketcase 4:42 pm 12 Dec 09

Shutting the pubs and clubs at 10pm or midnight would be a start. It was an social irresponsible move when they allowed a no hold bars policy on drinking hours. (Good for property valuation, good for alcohol taxes and good for poker machine revenue)

Notice that wasn’t an option on the poll. Maybe early closing is conceptually difficult for some people.

How about a curfew?

Mordd Mordd 3:25 pm 12 Dec 09

Legalise marijuana, criminalise alcohol, reduce speed limit to 20 km/h maximum, install padded “bumper bars” around the edges of all cars so that if anything is hit, its unlikely to cause damage (to staionary objects or people). Make it mandatory politicians take a hit from the parliamentary bong before speaking or asking questions w/out notice, would make question time on ABC worth watching.

BigDave BigDave 1:11 pm 12 Dec 09

There are certain beers on the market which turn me into a psychopath. I choose not to drink them, ever. Shame others can’t be responsible for themselves.

cleo cleo 12:38 am 12 Dec 09

Some people should never drink, if it changes you personality, and they become aggressive, I’m one of the lucky one’s, I am always happy when I have a few, which is a rare event, as far as LMR saying to smoke pot is the way to go, well you will be affected forever, which leads to mental health problems, how stupid!

Punter Punter 9:14 pm 11 Dec 09

I tip my hat to you spinact #3, nail on the head my friend. A lot of people in our community need a little more concrete in their coffee. Caf, the emphasis on personal responsibility is an attempt to catch the idiots before they get legless methinks. A hollow request perhaps, but worth asking.

MWF MWF 8:21 pm 11 Dec 09

Goody! I hope they start with all the people “jagging off” at the “Chis” Tavern.

luther_bendross luther_bendross 6:45 pm 11 Dec 09

This may not have a long-lasting effect, however I fully understand and support the police here. This is really Operation We’ve Had a F—ing Gutful. So they should too.

Also, lolz @ and w/ LMR. You’re right, any accident involving a stoned driver (whilst they may be plentiful) would probably only occur at 15km/h as a maximum, and would mostly be confined to Maccas drive throughs and near shiny things.

LMR LMR 4:26 pm 11 Dec 09

I recently returned from Amsterdam, and I can tell you their model is the way to go, a few vapor hits at a coffeeshop and no one could be buggered getting pissed and violent.

Free the Weed!!

I got talking to a bartender who told me he doesnt let people smoke weed in the bar because they dont drink when smoking. So there is the solution, smoke weed stay sober. Its even safer to drive stoned than not, I mean reaction times might be down but they drive so slow that any accident would be minor. Also the paranoia facter greatly improves caution, so they might stop at a give way sign for half an hour just to make sure there is no traffic coming and then forget what they were talking about but its safer.

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