Canberra's very own holocaust denier

I have no doubt that the holocaust occurred and its extent. I recognise that to deny that it occurred or its extent is highly offensive to most people especially those whose families or national, ethnic and religious groups were directly affected. However, I can’t see why holocaust denial should be a crime. One is able to question the extent of claimed atrocities that have occurred more recently in other places in Europe Africa and Asia. And we have no trouble trading with countries that are prepared to rewrite their own histories.

To make it even simpler, it is legal to be a member of the “Flat Earth Society”.

I think that the issue really has to do with people who actively push denialist discussions often encourage many of the sentiments and policies of the late Mr A Hitler, thus stepping from simple disbelief in generally accepted truth toward hate and vilification.

I have no doubt that the holocaust occurred and its extent. I recognise that to deny that it occurred or its extent is highly offensive to most people especially those whose families or national, ethnic and religious groups were directly affected. However, I can’t see why holocaust denial should be a crime. One is able to question the extent of claimed atrocities that have occurred more recently in other places in Europe Africa and Asia. And we have no trouble trading with countries that are prepared to rewrite their own histories.

RE: Rambling Ben.
I fear I may have originally drawn Ben here some months ago by mentioning his SQLSpace presence in another thread ages ago.
Personal first impression was that he’s crazier than Chester (no small feat in itself), but as he was relevant to (and provided an example of the potential fo damage being discussed in) the conversation, I figured I could get away with it, as I was linking to a thread he was very unlikley to see.
Damn you, karmic blowback.

Probably would not be described as neurotypical. (Everyone likes to think of themselves as special)
Delusions of reference. (Belief that many various phenomenon relate to them personally)
Apophenia with hindsight\memory bias. (Sees patterns in things most of the population would see as unconnected)

Formal thinking derailment. (Tangential associations between ideas leading to stark changes in continuity of narrative)
Occasional lapses into rambling logorrhoea. (Word salad)

Those first two are innocuous in and of themselves, the third borders on a DSM criteria (but at the same time could just be a nonrational method of calculation), but the final two are DSM criteria for psychotic mental illness.
I’d say he’s fairly disturbed, and the people he runs into everyday have no idea what he’s like on the interwebs.
PS: See a doctor, Ben.

So Benji, when will the next terror attack take place?

I suspect Benji1966 is himself part of the zionist conspiracy – he presents well as a denier, and is certainly affectingly fruity in his language and claims, but he is betrayed by having a hebrew name…

I am not sure if giving these scumbags publicity or acknowledgement either good or bad is they way to go.

Ironically, I have to comment on this useless thread to say that.

Ben, turn off your computer and go take your meds.

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why does it sound like a strange one sided conversation ben is having?

Well, I’m sort of at fault in this one. Hopefully, my old friend Richard read my blog at sqlspace. You see, I’m connected to something rather gnarly in the occult/political/entertainment world, and I’ve been connected to Richard since childhood. We both lived in Tempe Crescent up until early 1981. I have fond memories of hanging around Richard and his brother, playing with a train set, and visiting a scince-based place his father was connected to in Canberra. We also went and saw the film ‘Lucky Luke’ together. We had some fun times. The problem is I sold my slug gun to one of the boys around 1980. Now, I think that may have created a bad connection from that point on. So, to find Richard at the centre of this controversy is worrying. Remember- it’s me that alluded to the WTC attack and the London Underground attack before they happened. I believe that this is connected to a word game in the entertainment industry and political world. Although I believe that the figure of one million dead at Treblinka is quite possible, and that anywhere in the millions of Jews were killed in the Holocaust, I too have my doubts about the intentions of certain people in the political world and entertainment world who are Jews. That is to say, I’m not blaming all Jews. I think there are some in occult circles, who by way of their ability to think outside of the Christian religion, have an advantage in the manipulation of the Christian world. I do sense a hatred amongst them, although I have enjoyed Jewish-based media in the past. I’m talking about those Jews who would want to manipulate both Christians and Muslims into a world war. I know that’s heading into big conspiracy territory, but the clues are there. So, I suppose I could have had a negative influence on Richard and his family over the years. I apologise to him for the trouble I’ve caused and to you out there who don’t like his Treblinka theory. Let’s hope we’re all headed into safer territory and happier times in the near future!
Ben Dickson

you take a break and miss this thread…

i have travelled through eastern europe extensively.

holocaust deniers are not loonies, they are often quite rational people with irrational beliefs.

the counter argument to put to them is this:

if you contend that 6 million people were not murdered – where are they ? what became of them ?

almost every european town had a jewish area which is no longer jewish. where did they go ?

not all of them went to israel/oz/us/canada.

its undeniable that they were exterminated.

the evidence is on display at the camps themselves. id urge everyone to visit these places. we need reminding of our darker inclinations as men.

Ho ho, good one Caz. Let us know what the Brissie mayor has to say! Or maybe Anton IS the mayor?

The whole thing is here

Caz, post extracts – Pleeeeaaasssseeee 🙂

We look forward to lobbing canisters at the Merry Moron, this Merry Christmas-time. (Hopefully he’ll only find us after our rudest RiotACTors get back from summer holidays!)

Yes, by gas. The exact words were “You may get interested with the facts very soon, because people wake up to your Zionist gassing-obsessions and then the only way for your sort will be suicidal gassings as an act of mercy to yourself and humanity!”

See if you can make some sort of sense of that. All his emails were that bizarre.

I find something deeply ironic and disturbing about someone who denies the holocaust yet wishes death on people.

Coincidentally – did anyone ever see that doco on the american fella who re-invented the electric chair and was also a holocaust denier? Scarey stuff – the guy was certifiable!! I think it was made by the same guys that did that waco documentary.

By gas?

I’ve been having email fun with him. He works for the Brisbane City Council, it seems. And he wishes death upon me. What a meanie.

Oh no. No sooner do we we see off one nutter, than another steps forward. Thanks for the warning, Caz, I’m sure the RiotACTors will give Anton the usual treatment.

Hooray! I assume as a result of alerting JB to this story, I’m now getting spam from someone called Anton Gomer with links to the Adelaide Institute. I googled for his name and he’s spammed other sites with info about the holocaust deniers conference. I’m surprised he hasn’t registered here yet. Only a matter of time, I suppose.

the Canberra Institute has been a registered organisation for approx 18 months, it is the child of Peter Conway, well known local lobbiest and formaer adviser to Bob Hawke and Rosemary Follett

I used to do Toastmasters and Richard Krege was there but had no idea he believed this gobshite. They’re not all loonies! I’m sure if we all knew he was honing his speaking skills so he could be more of an expert at this, we wouldn’t have helped him!! Excuse my ignorance but how does being an electrical engineer qualify you to be a “sought after” expert on soil samples? I get that an elec engineer would do the radary type stuff that he said he used, but the other stuff? And what about the testimonies of people who said they BURNT the bodies so therefore, of course, there would be no more than ten bodies like that fascist website claims? and what about the testimonies of german soldiers too who said they burnt the bodies?!

Many years ago I was in Burton Hall at ANU

There was a kitchen hand who had a authentic concentration camp tattoo, and I can only encourage people to expose these deniers.

I now study Australian history – and it too has its fair share of deniers from the Sydney Ineitute, Adelaide Institute, and Quadrant magazine.

These deniers I call the Australian barmy army.

Tip-o!

Thats rather cruel to the inhabitants of Antartica isn’t it…

Antisemitism of Pandy’s great-grandfather aside, there is a big difference between antisemitism on its own, and holocaust denial. The former doesn’t imply either madness or refusal of historical evidence.

A man who goes to great lengths in an attempt to provide counter-evidence, coupled with an ‘official’ trip to a country with an antisemitic government on the other hand…

Why do they argue that it’s an automatic death sentence to go to Israel, but not to Iran? I think both countries have their share of instability and insecurity for foreigners, especially Australians. Having your picture in advertisements would help in either country though.

My great grandfather used to whip the Jews from his horse and buggy as he rode past walking Jews: Eastern Europe late 19th century.

I dont have any doubt that people of my ancestors times would have killed the Jews if given half a chance.

Sometimes there is justifiable homicide

Yes I would agree with you there

holocaust denial is a particularly perverted church I would contend.

On the website it says the holocaust was a fairy tail. It really is bizarre what the human mind can come up with. No more bizarre though then the various fairy tail beliefs of the worlds main stream religions.

I just want to make sure it’s as public as possible.

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Looking at the toastmasters site, I’d like to know how this demented mind tried to argue for “Australia is a clever country”.
He quite obviously shuns rational thought.

Anyway, I’m glad someone posted this.
That’s one more scumbag to be on the lookout for around town.

I understand the concept behind this piece of white trash, however they have come out of their rock hidey hole a little too soon to be credible.

I still remember talking to people who had their serial numbers tattoo’d onto them.

Their stories were far more credible, why for instance would a couple of million Jews go and tattoo themselves unless it was done by force ?

In a way, society is better off seeing this affront to humanity while there are still resources and the intent to crush it. Another 50 years and they may have found a reasonable amount of support, in the world of today they will not, and we can arm ourselves with appropriate measures to rebut everything they say.

Any time he wants to talk to a veteran about the horrors of war, and look into the eyes of truth talking to him, he should. He would probably change his tune pretty quickly as well…

I agree completely.

I just want to make sure it’s as public as possible.

Personally I fully support the iijit’s decision to act like a loony in public. Better an identifiable loony than a closet loony.
In fact, I support anyone’s right to be a total asshat in public.

Meh – get enough people together in one place and statistically you’re bound to get a few nutters. Canberra’s more than big enough to have its share.

So, there will be a job vacancy for an electrical engineer at Airservices advertised soon????

What a jerk!

yeah seriously what skill is in putting bread into a toaster?!?!

very sorry to generalise but every person i’ve known associated with toastmasters has been a crazy.

I particularly liked the bit insinuating that there really wasn’t an issue with sexual equality in the middle east..

That’s an odd website allright.
What is it with these self-appointed gurus who run ‘the Adelaide Institute’, ‘the Sydney Institute’ etc – have we (yet) got ‘the Canberra Institute’? (says he, rushing off to google…)

what a fuckhead.

I imagine his research would require the delicacy of a monkey wrench to pick apart.