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Capital Metro design consultation underway

By Canfan - 1 July 2014 37

Early designs for the 12 kilometre light rail project from the city to Gungahlin will be available for comment on during the next six weeks as part of community engagement program that started with the opening of a pop-up shop by Minister for the Environment and Sustainable Development, Simon Corbell, yesterday.

The Capital Metro pop-up shop is located on Mort Street in the CBD.

“This is the first opportunity for the community to see what light rail in Canberra might look like and I would encourage everyone to visit the pop-up shop, look at the proposed design and provide feedback,” Minister Corbell said.

“As this is an early design, no decisions have been made on the final product, so this is the most opportune time to influence the end design.”

The design proposal has been created based on in-depth planning and builds on previous community feedback.

As well as the pop-up shop, information sessions will also be held in Gungahlin and Dickson shopping centres at various times through July and August.

“The feedback provided during the consultation will feed into next stages of design that will provide the basis for expressions of interest later this year.

“It is vital the community take the opportunity to provide their feedback on how they would like the system to look and operate.

“Light Rail will deliver so much more than a transport benefit for Canberra and this is why the ACT government has been so intent on planning for the future and is committed to delivering city-changing infrastructure. We look forward to hearing what the community has to say about these designs.”

All information regarding the design proposal, information sessions and the opening hours of the pop-up shop is available at the Capital Metro website. Regular updates will also be provided through Facebook and Twitter.

(Simon Corbell Media Release)

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miz 2:36 pm 04 Jul 14

I’m not surprised at all, such polls get hijacked by interest groups and this is a very politicised issue.

rommeldog56 12:01 am 04 Jul 14

gooterz said :

If you lose a company a billion dollars they sue you.
If you do it in a government your likely to lose anyway there is practically no benefit.

I guess very few of any of ACT Labor own houses in the south.

I’m sure some have a fair bit to gain if light rail goes ahead

Hmmm…….but so far, the RiotAct Poll is much closer than I would have expected. Surprising – to me at least. And disturbing.

gooterz 10:51 pm 03 Jul 14

If you lose a company a billion dollars they sue you.
If you do it in a government your likely to lose anyway there is practically no benefit.

I guess very few of any of ACT Labor own houses in the south.

I’m sure some have a fair bit to gain if light rail goes ahead

miz 6:51 pm 03 Jul 14

Has the ACT Govt not heard that “one should not ‘assume’ because you make an ass out of u and me?” The massive assumption that it is all going ahead regardless is breathtaking.

rommeldog56 6:26 pm 03 Jul 14

curmudgery said :

At the risk of appearing dim, could I ask: “What is the problem that this project is supposed to solve?”

Many Thanks.

Well, take your pick from the following list:

1) Solve some of the vehicle congestion problems leading int Gunners and presumably, around the Gunners shopping precinct. This is no doubt due to atrocious town planning by the current and/or past, ACT Gov’ts.

2) ‘Cause ACT Labor were smart enough in 2012 to see the writing on the wall re getting re elected in 2013, so apparently did a backflip on the Light Rail between Gunners/Civic and made it a policy so they might entice the Green’s to get them re elected. Presto – it worked !

3) Because they want to spend $ in the ACT economy as part of the ACT Gov’ts economic stimulus package – ’cause even though there is not a global economic crisis anymore, there is apparently a Canberra Economic Crisis.

4) Because they can – with support of the Greens. And can apparently borrow billions of $ and just jack up Annual Rates and all other Gov’t charges to help pay it back. Essentially, they have a blank cheque.

6) Court even more Green votes i suppose.

7) I think Gunners is ACT Labor/Greens heartland ? As opposed to Tuggers.

8) It’s an “ideology” I suppose. They think having one would be “cool” for Canberra.

etc, etc, etc.

davo101 12:00 pm 03 Jul 14

curmudgery said :

At the risk of appearing dim, could I ask: “What is the problem that this project is supposed to solve?”

Many Thanks.

dungfungus said :

This is precisely why the Capital Metro proposal was “invented” just before the 2012 election. Labor’s polling indicated the election would be deadlocked (or worse) so they made sure they had a plan to guarantee support of The (sole) Green for the next term.

curmudgery 11:56 am 03 Jul 14

At the risk of appearing dim, could I ask: “What is the problem that this project is supposed to solve?”

Many Thanks.

gooterz 7:02 pm 02 Jul 14

davo101 said :

MERC600 said :

Last January in the extreme heat tram lines buckled in Melbourne..
“Tennis fans were forced to walk as temperatures hovered over 40C, after tram tracks buckled on the line to the Australian Open. Heat caused chaos for fans with tram tracks severely damaged near Exhibition St, forcing diversions of routes 70 and 70a from 4pm.”

Shame there is no photos of what actually broke. Probably just goes to prove that having your tracks embedded in the road doesn’t excuse you from maintenance.

Its probably cheaper to have the tram out of service anyway

davo101 4:56 pm 02 Jul 14

MERC600 said :

Last January in the extreme heat tram lines buckled in Melbourne..
“Tennis fans were forced to walk as temperatures hovered over 40C, after tram tracks buckled on the line to the Australian Open. Heat caused chaos for fans with tram tracks severely damaged near Exhibition St, forcing diversions of routes 70 and 70a from 4pm.”

Shame there is no photos of what actually broke. Probably just goes to prove that having your tracks embedded in the road doesn’t excuse you from maintenance.

MERC600 3:50 pm 02 Jul 14

davo101 said :

dungfungus said :

They have speed restrictions in Melbourne too according to the article you have linked to.

You’re confusing trains and trams. Tram tracks are installed on a concrete slab and they are going nowhere, train tacks are installed in a bed of ballast and can buckle if the temperature gets too high.

dungfungus said :

That payroll tax/levy to fund part of the Portland light rail sounds a bit like some other payroll tax on a different thread.
Coincidence or planning?

Coincidence. We’re talking an extra tax on top of that for people deemed to live close enough to the thing to use it.

Last January in the extreme heat tram lines buckled in Melbourne..
“Tennis fans were forced to walk as temperatures hovered over 40C, after tram tracks buckled on the line to the Australian Open. Heat caused chaos for fans with tram tracks severely damaged near Exhibition St, forcing diversions of routes 70 and 70a from 4pm.”

davo101 1:36 pm 02 Jul 14

dungfungus said :

They have speed restrictions in Melbourne too according to the article you have linked to.

You’re confusing trains and trams. Tram tracks are installed on a concrete slab and they are going nowhere, train tacks are installed in a bed of ballast and can buckle if the temperature gets too high.

dungfungus said :

That payroll tax/levy to fund part of the Portland light rail sounds a bit like some other payroll tax on a different thread.
Coincidence or planning?

Coincidence. We’re talking an extra tax on top of that for people deemed to live close enough to the thing to use it.

dungfungus 12:42 pm 02 Jul 14

davo101 said :

dungfungus said :

This article about what summer heat does to light rail operations is very interesting and this is when the mercury is under 100F. Imagine what will happen in Canberra

That doesn’t really apply to Australia. What happens in Melbourne is that the track and power system are fine but the trams give up when it gets too hot for them.

dungfungus said :

The location is some place called Portland, Oregon in the USA.
Hey, isn’t that the light rail system that ACT Labor and The Green claim is the model for all light rail systems?

Indeed it is. So if we go by the Portland model, the Federal government is going to pay for 70% of the cost and the rest will be made up by a payroll and self-employment tax on everyone who lives near it.

They have speed restrictions in Melbourne too according to the article you have linked to.
Whatever effect there is in Canberra we are are going to have a dysfunctional tram service when it is hot and I have seen rail lines buckle in western NSW during hot weather.
That payroll tax/levy to fund part of the Portland light rail sounds a bit like some other payroll tax on a different thread.
Coincidence or planning?

davo101 12:13 pm 02 Jul 14

dungfungus said :

This article about what summer heat does to light rail operations is very interesting and this is when the mercury is under 100F. Imagine what will happen in Canberra

That doesn’t really apply to Australia. What happens in Melbourne is that the track and power system are fine but the trams give up when it gets too hot for them.

dungfungus said :

The location is some place called Portland, Oregon in the USA.
Hey, isn’t that the light rail system that ACT Labor and The Green claim is the model for all light rail systems?

Indeed it is. So if we go by the Portland model, the Federal government is going to pay for 70% of the cost and the rest will be made up by a payroll and self-employment tax on everyone who lives near it.

dungfungus 10:01 am 02 Jul 14

This article about what summer heat does to light rail operations is very interesting and this is when the mercury is under 100F. Imagine what will happen in Canberra (climate alarmists will be beside themselves).
The location is some place called Portland, Oregon in the USA.
Hey, isn’t that the light rail system that ACT Labor and The Green claim is the model for all light rail systems?
I did try to alert readers earlier to weather problems that can play havoc with light rail but as usual I was dismissed.
Then again, this article is from a newspaper and we shouldn’t beleieve all we read in the media.
Also, memorise the images in the headline photo. It is not the lovely Euro design tram that you will see, it is the ugly stanchions and wires. This is what we will get in once beautiful Canberra.
http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/index.ssf/2014/07/why_trimet_automatically_slows.html

dungfungus 9:44 am 02 Jul 14

rosscoact said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Pandy said :

Maya123 said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

If it’s feedback they want, why don’t they simply look at the Riot Act, there are hundreds of opinions on these pages relating to the train. Unfortunately, they won’t consider an invisible train that flies through the air and costs nothing to build and run. Anything else and many people will be very angry.

No, there is opposition here to it by a few very vocal people, not hundreds. In fact it would be rather daunting for someone to express another opinion with that much negative chatter.

Really?

I have said previously that they should poll the population.

In fact lets have a referendum!

I second that motion, what do Canberran’s really think? Has there been a poll about this on RA yet? Opportunity for the moderator here so we can have some unbiased feedback on this subject to satisfy both sides, if not the government itself. Apparently we only need poll a small percentage of the population to get real results so why not try it out on a small scale here?

Self-selecting polls are not representative of the entire population. I would find it astounding if the ACT government has not been doing its own (representative) polling on this topic and others.

This is precisely why the Capital Metro proposal was “invented” just before the 2012 election. Labor’s polling indicated the election would be deadlocked (or worse) so they made sure they had a plan to guarantee support of The (sole) Green for the next term.
What will probably happen now is that Labor will do more polling on the Capital Metro project and it’s fate will be determined by the acceptance or rejection of the electorate. If it is canned before the 2016 election there will some great spin accompanying the announcment.

davo101 9:34 am 02 Jul 14

rosscoact said :

I would find it astounding if the ACT government has not been doing its own (representative) polling on this topic and others.

The response would be entirely a function of the question they asked. My personal experience from talking to people about the tram plan is that they are very positive about it. When I tell them how much it’s going to cost they start to be less positive. After explaining to them that the ACT Government priced a bus option that will give us the same benefits and cost half as much they are confused. And finally, after explaining the plan to pay for all of this is to charge an extra tax for it they are strongly opposed.

So I’m guessing somewhere between 0 and 100% support depending on how the question is worded.

dungfungus 9:30 am 02 Jul 14

Ding Ding !
Along with the tramway will come a raft of new rules, regulations and FINES!
Link to Gold Coast instructional video on how to adapt to trams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAEUg3bMiIk&feature=youtu.be&a

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