Centrepoint comes back to life with the Landmark Cafe

shutupmeg said :

Jim Jones said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

if marriage and same sex civil unions are the same, then why not call them all marriage?

Because of … because … because … children need a mother and a father …. um …. because …. the church and religion and stuff … um … stop being bigoted against me for being bigoted.

Jim Jones said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

if marriage and same sex civil unions are the same, then why not call them all marriage?

Because of … because … because … children need a mother and a father …. um …. because …. the church and religion and stuff … um … stop being bigoted against me for being bigoted.

+1

I think this flow chat accurately describes that sentiment;
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/badcatholic/2012/08/so-you-still-think-homosexuality-is-sinful.html

Interesting that you link to an article that systematically debunks the flowchart in question.

Solidarity said :

There is nothing wrong with thier gay people, they’re happy, not hurting anyone, who cares.

I just don’t belive in changing something just because some a minority group keeps whinging about it.

The word marriage would apply to homosexual couples already, if a majority of Australians agreed with such a change, but the fact of the matter is that it’s not something that most people care too much about. Yeah you’ve got your redneck brigade, but that doesn’t constitute the majority of Australians.

I think you will find the majority waqnts gay coupkles to have the exact same rights as hetero couples. Its on;y the vocal minority thats against it.

HenryBG said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

if marriage and same sex civil unions are the same, then why not call them all marriage?

If the rights they confer or protect are the same, why are you still trying to upset people?

Because its segregation.

Children need positive male and female role models. They can be inside or outside the home. Otherwise what about all the widowers who raised children in single sex parented homes? Schools and community/sports groups and the friends of the parents provide this. Most parents regardless of gender try to ensure this. I have never ever met a gay person who didn’t have straight friends or family.

There is nothing wrong with thier gay people, they’re happy, not hurting anyone, who cares.

I just don’t belive in changing something just because some a minority group keeps whinging about it.

The word marriage would apply to homosexual couples already, if a majority of Australians agreed with such a change, but the fact of the matter is that it’s not something that most people care too much about. Yeah you’ve got your redneck brigade, but that doesn’t constitute the majority of Australians.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

if marriage and same sex civil unions are the same, then why not call them all marriage?

If the rights they confer or protect are the same, why are you still trying to upset people?

Jim Jones said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

if marriage and same sex civil unions are the same, then why not call them all marriage?

Because of … because … because … children need a mother and a father …. um …. because …. the church and religion and stuff … um … stop being bigoted against me for being bigoted.

i would lol but sadly its pretty much the only answer right wingers can give whenever a simple question is asked of them.

Jim Jones said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

if marriage and same sex civil unions are the same, then why not call them all marriage?

Because of … because … because … children need a mother and a father …. um …. because …. the church and religion and stuff … um … stop being bigoted against me for being bigoted.

Jim Jones said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

if marriage and same sex civil unions are the same, then why not call them all marriage?

Because of … because … because … children need a mother and a father …. um …. because …. the church and religion and stuff … um … stop being bigoted against me for being bigoted.

+1

I think this flow chat accurately describes that sentiment;
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/badcatholic/2012/08/so-you-still-think-homosexuality-is-sinful.html

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

if marriage and same sex civil unions are the same, then why not call them all marriage?

Because of … because … because … children need a mother and a father …. um …. because …. the church and religion and stuff … um … stop being bigoted against me for being bigoted.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

if marriage and same sex civil unions are the same, then why not call them all marriage?

Why not just… stop whinging?

if marriage and same sex civil unions are the same, then why not call them all marriage?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Solidarity said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Mysteryman said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Darkfalz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You are free to have opinions and beliefs, but when you start trying to push them on others is when it’s unacceptable.

Followed by

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Being against gay marriage is 100% anti gay. It’s discrimination and pure bigotry.
That’s fact, not opinion.

The irony of liberals and the way they think opinons work would be hilarious if it wasn’t also desperately sad and often times incendiary.

Telling me I am “100% anti-gay” and my thoughts are “pure bigotry” is the definition of pushing an opinon on me. So is referring to me as “ignorant” or a “religious nutter”.

If you have to resort to character attacks on the people who have opposing views to you, rather than promoting the mertis of your own beliefs, it’s a a pretty clear sign you’re losing the debate.

For me, it’s not a debate though. I have absolutely no problem with gay people trying to achieve as much be parity as they feel they need. I myself am in full support of civil unions. At the same time I’m not going to concede that I’m somehow a bad person because I believe marriage as currently defined is best for society and that kid deserve a mother and a father, and I’m not going to be shouted down or shamed out of expressing those beliefs when the subject comes up.

But thats the thing, im not pushing any opinions, im clearly stating facts.

No, you aren’t. You’re trying to pass off opinion as fact. You just don’t see that.

Tell me, if you discrinminate against somebody becuase of their sexuality, does that make you a bigot or not?

He’s not discriminating?

Do you know what descrimination means?

Civil Unions say what?

Solidarity said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Mysteryman said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Darkfalz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You are free to have opinions and beliefs, but when you start trying to push them on others is when it’s unacceptable.

Followed by

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Being against gay marriage is 100% anti gay. It’s discrimination and pure bigotry.
That’s fact, not opinion.

The irony of liberals and the way they think opinons work would be hilarious if it wasn’t also desperately sad and often times incendiary.

Telling me I am “100% anti-gay” and my thoughts are “pure bigotry” is the definition of pushing an opinon on me. So is referring to me as “ignorant” or a “religious nutter”.

If you have to resort to character attacks on the people who have opposing views to you, rather than promoting the mertis of your own beliefs, it’s a a pretty clear sign you’re losing the debate.

For me, it’s not a debate though. I have absolutely no problem with gay people trying to achieve as much be parity as they feel they need. I myself am in full support of civil unions. At the same time I’m not going to concede that I’m somehow a bad person because I believe marriage as currently defined is best for society and that kid deserve a mother and a father, and I’m not going to be shouted down or shamed out of expressing those beliefs when the subject comes up.

But thats the thing, im not pushing any opinions, im clearly stating facts.

No, you aren’t. You’re trying to pass off opinion as fact. You just don’t see that.

Tell me, if you discrinminate against somebody becuase of their sexuality, does that make you a bigot or not?

He’s not discriminating?

Do you know what descrimination means?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Mysteryman said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Darkfalz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You are free to have opinions and beliefs, but when you start trying to push them on others is when it’s unacceptable.

Followed by

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Being against gay marriage is 100% anti gay. It’s discrimination and pure bigotry.
That’s fact, not opinion.

The irony of liberals and the way they think opinons work would be hilarious if it wasn’t also desperately sad and often times incendiary.

Telling me I am “100% anti-gay” and my thoughts are “pure bigotry” is the definition of pushing an opinon on me. So is referring to me as “ignorant” or a “religious nutter”.

If you have to resort to character attacks on the people who have opposing views to you, rather than promoting the mertis of your own beliefs, it’s a a pretty clear sign you’re losing the debate.

For me, it’s not a debate though. I have absolutely no problem with gay people trying to achieve as much be parity as they feel they need. I myself am in full support of civil unions. At the same time I’m not going to concede that I’m somehow a bad person because I believe marriage as currently defined is best for society and that kid deserve a mother and a father, and I’m not going to be shouted down or shamed out of expressing those beliefs when the subject comes up.

But thats the thing, im not pushing any opinions, im clearly stating facts.

No, you aren’t. You’re trying to pass off opinion as fact. You just don’t see that.

Tell me, if you discrinminate against somebody becuase of their sexuality, does that make you a bigot or not?

He’s not discriminating?

I only believe in gay marriage when both chicks are hot.

Mysteryman said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Darkfalz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You are free to have opinions and beliefs, but when you start trying to push them on others is when it’s unacceptable.

Followed by

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Being against gay marriage is 100% anti gay. It’s discrimination and pure bigotry.
That’s fact, not opinion.

The irony of liberals and the way they think opinons work would be hilarious if it wasn’t also desperately sad and often times incendiary.

Telling me I am “100% anti-gay” and my thoughts are “pure bigotry” is the definition of pushing an opinon on me. So is referring to me as “ignorant” or a “religious nutter”.

If you have to resort to character attacks on the people who have opposing views to you, rather than promoting the mertis of your own beliefs, it’s a a pretty clear sign you’re losing the debate.

For me, it’s not a debate though. I have absolutely no problem with gay people trying to achieve as much be parity as they feel they need. I myself am in full support of civil unions. At the same time I’m not going to concede that I’m somehow a bad person because I believe marriage as currently defined is best for society and that kid deserve a mother and a father, and I’m not going to be shouted down or shamed out of expressing those beliefs when the subject comes up.

But thats the thing, im not pushing any opinions, im clearly stating facts.

No, you aren’t. You’re trying to pass off opinion as fact. You just don’t see that.

Tell me, if you discrinminate against somebody becuase of their sexuality, does that make you a bigot or not?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Darkfalz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You are free to have opinions and beliefs, but when you start trying to push them on others is when it’s unacceptable.

Followed by

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Being against gay marriage is 100% anti gay. It’s discrimination and pure bigotry.
That’s fact, not opinion.

The irony of liberals and the way they think opinons work would be hilarious if it wasn’t also desperately sad and often times incendiary.

Telling me I am “100% anti-gay” and my thoughts are “pure bigotry” is the definition of pushing an opinon on me. So is referring to me as “ignorant” or a “religious nutter”.

If you have to resort to character attacks on the people who have opposing views to you, rather than promoting the mertis of your own beliefs, it’s a a pretty clear sign you’re losing the debate.

For me, it’s not a debate though. I have absolutely no problem with gay people trying to achieve as much be parity as they feel they need. I myself am in full support of civil unions. At the same time I’m not going to concede that I’m somehow a bad person because I believe marriage as currently defined is best for society and that kid deserve a mother and a father, and I’m not going to be shouted down or shamed out of expressing those beliefs when the subject comes up.

But thats the thing, im not pushing any opinions, im clearly stating facts.

No, you aren’t. You’re trying to pass off opinion as fact. You just don’t see that.

Instant blacklist from me and everyone I talk to.

Lol @ the ‘I’m not a bigot, [proceed to launch into a stack of tired, discredited bigoted talking points: kids need a mother and father, marriage is of the church, you’re being bigoted against me for being bigoted, etc.]’

Darkfalz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You are free to have opinions and beliefs, but when you start trying to push them on others is when it’s unacceptable.

Followed by

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Being against gay marriage is 100% anti gay. It’s discrimination and pure bigotry.
That’s fact, not opinion.

The irony of liberals and the way they think opinons work would be hilarious if it wasn’t also desperately sad and often times incendiary.

Telling me I am “100% anti-gay” and my thoughts are “pure bigotry” is the definition of pushing an opinon on me. So is referring to me as “ignorant” or a “religious nutter”.

If you have to resort to character attacks on the people who have opposing views to you, rather than promoting the mertis of your own beliefs, it’s a a pretty clear sign you’re losing the debate.

For me, it’s not a debate though. I have absolutely no problem with gay people trying to achieve as much be parity as they feel they need. I myself am in full support of civil unions. At the same time I’m not going to concede that I’m somehow a bad person because I believe marriage as currently defined is best for society and that kid deserve a mother and a father, and I’m not going to be shouted down or shamed out of expressing those beliefs when the subject comes up.

But thats the thing, im not pushing any opinions, im clearly stating facts.

1337Hax0r said :

I went to the rally with my son. I sat down to watch the rally and saw the whole thing. The staff of the Landmark Cafe started to turn their music up as one of the speakers started their speech. I went into the cafe at this point to buy a coffee but like other people, I was told to “Go Away” and “We don’t want your business” by a young male staff member. I elected to leave. While I am not gay, my son is, and I have no interest in giving my money to anyone who is going to harass him.
The speaker at the rally mentioned that the music at Landmark seemed to get louder when people spoke, and that he’d faced discrimination like that all his life. At that point the staff at Landmark turned the music up to an industrial level. The staff there later turned it down,but continued to abuse people, and refused to sell to anyone they thought were associated with the rally. I heard them again tell people “We don’t want your business.”
When the young speaker finished his speech, he gave a one figured salute towards the Landmark cafe. One of the staff members there ran out and engaged in a heated discussion with the youth. Afterwards, as the really seemed to be ending, some one went into the cafe and said in a raised voice something like “How dare you call my friend…” At this point, the man who I am pretty sure was the cafe owner leaped over the counter and started to assault that person. So much for Real Heros Walk Away. People dragged the combatants apart. It was quite shocking to see, even for an old fart for me who grew up in Brixton in my youth.
Needless to say, I was disgusted at the behavior of the cafe staff. It was deliberately antagonistic, offensive and uncalled for. They won’t be getting any of my business, my son’s business,or the business of our friends and associates.

So make a complaint (along with your son and anyone else who was turned away) to the ACT Human Rights Commission. Sexual orientation is a protected status and they can’t refuse service based on that.

Honestly, what sort of moron thinks they can get away with this type of behaviour in this day and age?

I hope your small business suffers greatly. I will do my part to lose you as many customers as possible.

1337Hax0r said :

I went to the rally with my son. I sat down to watch the rally and saw the whole thing. The staff of the Landmark Cafe started to turn their music up as one of the speakers started their speech. I went into the cafe at this point to buy a coffee but like other people, I was told to “Go Away” and “We don’t want your business” by a young male staff member. I elected to leave. While I am not gay, my son is, and I have no interest in giving my money to anyone who is going to harass him.
The speaker at the rally mentioned that the music at Landmark seemed to get louder when people spoke, and that he’d faced discrimination like that all his life. At that point the staff at Landmark turned the music up to an industrial level. The staff there later turned it down,but continued to abuse people, and refused to sell to anyone they thought were associated with the rally. I heard them again tell people “We don’t want your business.”
When the young speaker finished his speech, he gave a one figured salute towards the Landmark cafe. One of the staff members there ran out and engaged in a heated discussion with the youth. Afterwards, as the really seemed to be ending, some one went into the cafe and said in a raised voice something like “How dare you call my friend…” At this point, the man who I am pretty sure was the cafe owner leaped over the counter and started to assault that person. So much for Real Heros Walk Away. People dragged the combatants apart. It was quite shocking to see, even for an old fart for me who grew up in Brixton in my youth.
Needless to say, I was disgusted at the behavior of the cafe staff. It was deliberately antagonistic, offensive and uncalled for. They won’t be getting any of my business, my son’s business,or the business of our friends and associates.

Disgusting.

Blacklisted.

Masquara said :

As many of us (and NOT homophobic) who weren’t there will have thought – fault on both sides.

Unnecessary on both sides. If you were running a business, someone started to make a scene outside of it, implicated you in their speech, and ended it by sticking their finger up at you, all about an issue that has nothing to do with you or your business, you’d probably be pissed off too.

The proper thing to do however would be to call the police and let them move the rabble on.

All the people shouting “boycott” without knowing the facts though, you’re a bit special.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You are free to have opinions and beliefs, but when you start trying to push them on others is when it’s unacceptable.

Followed by

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Being against gay marriage is 100% anti gay. It’s discrimination and pure bigotry.
That’s fact, not opinion.

The irony of liberals and the way they think opinons work would be hilarious if it wasn’t also desperately sad and often times incendiary.

Telling me I am “100% anti-gay” and my thoughts are “pure bigotry” is the definition of pushing an opinon on me. So is referring to me as “ignorant” or a “religious nutter”.

If you have to resort to character attacks on the people who have opposing views to you, rather than promoting the mertis of your own beliefs, it’s a a pretty clear sign you’re losing the debate.

For me, it’s not a debate though. I have absolutely no problem with gay people trying to achieve as much be parity as they feel they need. I myself am in full support of civil unions. At the same time I’m not going to concede that I’m somehow a bad person because I believe marriage as currently defined is best for society and that kid deserve a mother and a father, and I’m not going to be shouted down or shamed out of expressing those beliefs when the subject comes up.

Masquara said :

1337Hax0r said :

When the young speaker finished his speech, he gave a one figured salute towards the Landmark cafe. One of the staff members there ran out and engaged in a heated discussion with the youth. Afterwards, as the really seemed to be ending, some one went into the cafe and said in a raised voice something like “How dare you call my friend…” At this point, the man who I am pretty sure was the cafe owner leaped over the counter and started to assault that person. So much for Real Heros Walk Away. People dragged the combatants apart. It was quite shocking to see, even for an old fart for me who grew up in Brixton in my youth.
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As many of us (and NOT homophobic) who weren’t there will have thought – fault on both sides.

1337Hax0r said :

When the young speaker finished his speech, he gave a one figured salute towards the Landmark cafe. One of the staff members there ran out and engaged in a heated discussion with the youth. Afterwards, as the really seemed to be ending, some one went into the cafe and said in a raised voice something like “How dare you call my friend…” At this point, the man who I am pretty sure was the cafe owner leaped over the counter and started to assault that person. So much for Real Heros Walk Away. People dragged the combatants apart. It was quite shocking to see, even for an old fart for me who grew up in Brixton in my youth.
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As many of us (and NOT homophobic) who weren’t there will have thought – fault on both sides.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You are free to have opinions and beliefs, but when you start trying to push them on others is when it’s unacceptable. Being against gay marriage is 100% anti gay. It’s discrimination and pure bigotry.
That’s fact, not opinion.

Utter crap. Marriage means something. Some people want to change that. Some people don’t want to change it. One of these two groups is engaged in dishonest and bullying behaviour to get its way. End of story.

I went to the rally with my son. I sat down to watch the rally and saw the whole thing. The staff of the Landmark Cafe started to turn their music up as one of the speakers started their speech. I went into the cafe at this point to buy a coffee but like other people, I was told to “Go Away” and “We don’t want your business” by a young male staff member. I elected to leave. While I am not gay, my son is, and I have no interest in giving my money to anyone who is going to harass him.
The speaker at the rally mentioned that the music at Landmark seemed to get louder when people spoke, and that he’d faced discrimination like that all his life. At that point the staff at Landmark turned the music up to an industrial level. The staff there later turned it down,but continued to abuse people, and refused to sell to anyone they thought were associated with the rally. I heard them again tell people “We don’t want your business.”
When the young speaker finished his speech, he gave a one figured salute towards the Landmark cafe. One of the staff members there ran out and engaged in a heated discussion with the youth. Afterwards, as the really seemed to be ending, some one went into the cafe and said in a raised voice something like “How dare you call my friend…” At this point, the man who I am pretty sure was the cafe owner leaped over the counter and started to assault that person. So much for Real Heros Walk Away. People dragged the combatants apart. It was quite shocking to see, even for an old fart for me who grew up in Brixton in my youth.
Needless to say, I was disgusted at the behavior of the cafe staff. It was deliberately antagonistic, offensive and uncalled for. They won’t be getting any of my business, my son’s business,or the business of our friends and associates.

Darkfalz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You do not seem to know what bigot means, infact you appear to be some religious nutter with zero concept of equality and who wishes to push their own ignorance ontop others and who thinks their own views/opinions are more important than facts.

I’m not religious at all, but the fact you used the term “religious nutter” speaks volumes about you and your intolerance for people’s beliefs. Gay marriage proponents like to point out bits of the bible about marrying your rapist and what not as an argument against people using the one man and one woman argument from the bible. That’s like saying the fact god apparently helped the Jews rape and pillage cancels out the commandments about murder and adultery. Like any religion, people will generally take the things that appeal to their own moral compass and ignore the things that don’t.

My problem is equating being against gay marriage with being “anti-gay”. Despite the false argument people like yourself and Woody try so hard to make, it is not the same thing. Just because you can’t do something you want it does not mean you’re being “discriminated” against. We have laws and standards for a reason, there’s a balancing act between freedoms and what is acceptable and appropriate for greater society. People have a right to have an opinion on and disagree about where that falls, and should be able to do so without having to fend off accusations of being “hateful” – particularly when you are merely agreeing with what is currently the law and public policy.

You are free to have opinions and beliefs, but when you start trying to push them on others is when it’s unacceptable. Being against gay marriage is 100% anti gay. It’s discrimination and pure bigotry.
That’s fact, not opinion.

Darkfalz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Flossie said :

Canberra times covers the bigotry, oh I mean incident.
http://m.canberratimes.com.au/national/scuffle-at-rights-rally-20120811-241u0.html

Whoa, that crimes article says it was the cafe owner being the moron homophobe?

I really hope that’s not the case and they better come on here real soon to explain.

I didn’t glean that from it, but there was a definite spin in the article. There’s no indication who started the altercation at the cafe, but judging from the bias in the article it not being mentioned means it was most likely one of the protesters. They’re generally too hot headed to be rational and go around looking for an argument.

It comes down to those protesters right to protest in a public place, and the cafe owner’s right to have a welcoming environment in which to conduct his business.

You have a source to any of that?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You do not seem to know what bigot means, infact you appear to be some religious nutter with zero concept of equality and who wishes to push their own ignorance ontop others and who thinks their own views/opinions are more important than facts.

I’m not religious at all, but the fact you used the term “religious nutter” speaks volumes about you and your intolerance for people’s beliefs. Gay marriage proponents like to point out bits of the bible about marrying your rapist and what not as an argument against people using the one man and one woman argument from the bible. That’s like saying the fact god apparently helped the Jews rape and pillage cancels out the commandments about murder and adultery. Like any religion, people will generally take the things that appeal to their own moral compass and ignore the things that don’t.

My problem is equating being against gay marriage with being “anti-gay”. Despite the false argument people like yourself and Woody try so hard to make, it is not the same thing. Just because you can’t do something you want it does not mean you’re being “discriminated” against. We have laws and standards for a reason, there’s a balancing act between freedoms and what is acceptable and appropriate for greater society. People have a right to have an opinion on and disagree about where that falls, and should be able to do so without having to fend off accusations of being “hateful” – particularly when you are merely agreeing with what is currently the law and public policy.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Flossie said :

Canberra times covers the bigotry, oh I mean incident.
http://m.canberratimes.com.au/national/scuffle-at-rights-rally-20120811-241u0.html

Whoa, that crimes article says it was the cafe owner being the moron homophobe?

I really hope that’s not the case and they better come on here real soon to explain.

I didn’t glean that from it, but there was a definite spin in the article. There’s no indication who started the altercation at the cafe, but judging from the bias in the article it not being mentioned means it was most likely one of the protesters. They’re generally too hot headed to be rational and go around looking for an argument.

It comes down to those protesters right to protest in a public place, and the cafe owner’s right to have a welcoming environment in which to conduct his business.

Holden Caulfield said :

I noticed this on the weekend. It’s a good site for a cafe, I wish them well…

Withdrawn.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Honestly I am sick of the euphemistically termed “marriage equality” brigade and all their shout down, you’re a bigot if you don’t agree with me heavy handed crap

If you discriminate against people because of their sexual preferences, you’re a bigot.

Attempting to cast your bigotry as mere disagreement is a common tactic among bigots – see, for example, the classic ‘I’m not a racist, but’. It’s just saying ‘but’. We just ‘disagree’. It’s not hatred when I want to deny a person equality under the law because of who they are. I don’t hate them. I just want to be able to tell them what to do – including what they can say, where and when they can say it – in a way I’d never allow them to do to me.

I mean, you certainly don’t deserve a label like ‘bigot’ just for having the same sort of disagreement people have about, say, whether to have a fish taco for lunch, or a hot dog, with its long, rubbery meat nestled among two pillowy soft but springy buns. (I’m guessing you think it’s OK to have a hot dog – like the ones at Costco, that squirt hot juice in your mouth as you bite into them – as long as one of the people also has a fish taco. Under no circumstances can their be hot-dogging among two people with hot dogs only. Their hot dogs might touch, and the collapse of civilisation couldn’t be far away. Two fish tacos? Maybe, if both diners think that it’s unseasonably warm, and you get to watch.)

PS: Bigot.

Winning.

Stevian said :

Madman said :

I haven’t been there yet but after hearing this it will be blacklisted. Better coffee and service a couple of metres down at Deja Brew anyhow….

If you haven’t been there how are you qualified to make any comment on the qualilty of their product and service.

I didn’t make a comment on the quality of their product – I made a comment on the quality of their service. Good coffee is not just about the taste of the coffee, it’s the atmoshpere and the service you receive with it.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Honestly I am sick of the euphemistically termed “marriage equality” brigade and all their shout down, you’re a bigot if you don’t agree with me heavy handed crap

If you discriminate against people because of their sexual preferences, you’re a bigot.

Attempting to cast your bigotry as mere disagreement is a common tactic among bigots – see, for example, the classic ‘I’m not a racist, but’. It’s just saying ‘but’. We just ‘disagree’. It’s not hatred when I want to deny a person equality under the law because of who they are. I don’t hate them. I just want to be able to tell them what to do – including what they can say, where and when they can say it – in a way I’d never allow them to do to me.

I mean, you certainly don’t deserve a label like ‘bigot’ just for having the same sort of disagreement people have about, say, whether to have a fish taco for lunch, or a hot dog, with its long, rubbery meat nestled among two pillowy soft but springy buns. (I’m guessing you think it’s OK to have a hot dog – like the ones at Costco, that squirt hot juice in your mouth as you bite into them – as long as one of the people also has a fish taco. Under no circumstances can their be hot-dogging among two people with hot dogs only. Their hot dogs might touch, and the collapse of civilisation couldn’t be far away. Two fish tacos? Maybe, if both diners think that it’s unseasonably warm, and you get to watch.)

PS: Bigot.

Best laugh Ive had all day. I only wish the fish taco diners were eating in bed, or at least with a couple of pillows handy.

Madman said :

I haven’t been there yet but after hearing this it will be blacklisted. Better coffee and service a couple of metres down at Deja Brew anyhow….

If you haven’t been there how are you qualified to make any comment on the qualilty of their product and service.

I was told that Landmark was family run…
So that being the case then yes the words of one employee is the words of Landmark.
That not the case then yes, the words of one employee is the words of Landmark – the employees are what makes the business what it is.

I haven’t been there yet but after hearing this it will be blacklisted. Better coffee and service a couple of metres down at Deja Brew anyhow….

Darkfalz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

If you are homophobic, then yes, you are a bigot.

If you agree with the marriage act in your current form, it does make you a bigot. If your reason for that is you believe marriage should be reserved for one man and one woman, this does not make you a bigot. If you think that a child does best with a mother and a father, that does not make you a bigot.

If you hate people purely for being gay, you are a bigot. If you hate people for being “bible bashing rednecks” or “out of touch old people living in the past”, you are a bigot. And if you hate or denigrate people who don’t agree with your poltical views and don’t think they should be entitled to have them, including pulling out all stops to prevent them airing them, you are most definitely a bigot.

Here_and_Now said :

Darkfalz said :

Honestly I am sick of the euphemistically termed “marriage equality” brigade and all their shout down, you’re a bigot if you don’t agree with me heavy handed crap.

How is it a euphemism?

I could take any two different things and try to force people to call them the same under the auspices of “equality”. The only thing equal here is the number of people involved, just about everything else, including implications for family and society, is different. Not necessarily better or worse, but certainly different.

I could say I want “life equality” for to be aborted children, for example. Or I want “toilet equality” so that I can use female restrooms when I want to. Or “price equality” at the supermarket between different brands. Because how is “equality” ever a bad thing? They simple fact is they’ve taken to using it because it comes off nicer than saying they want gay marriage legalised.

You do not seem to know what bigot means, infact you appear to be some religious nutter with zero concept of equality and who wishes to push their own ignorance ontop others and who thinks their own views/opinions are more important than facts.

Flossie said :

Canberra times covers the bigotry, oh I mean incident.
http://m.canberratimes.com.au/national/scuffle-at-rights-rally-20120811-241u0.html

Whoa, that crimes article says it was the cafe owner being the moron homophobe?

I really hope that’s not the case and they better come on here real soon to explain.

Flossie said :

Canberra times covers the bigotry, oh I mean incident.
http://m.canberratimes.com.au/national/scuffle-at-rights-rally-20120811-241u0.html

Interesting spin. Gay marriage crowd should be able to express their agenda, but cafe should not be able to “express” their music.

If I had a crowd of yahoos near me yelling stuff into a megaphone, regardless of what it was, I would personally do whatever I could to drown it out too. It isn’t like the cafe could just pick up and move, is it?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

If you are homophobic, then yes, you are a bigot.

If you agree with the marriage act in your current form, it does make you a bigot. If your reason for that is you believe marriage should be reserved for one man and one woman, this does not make you a bigot. If you think that a child does best with a mother and a father, that does not make you a bigot.

If you hate people purely for being gay, you are a bigot. If you hate people for being “bible bashing rednecks” or “out of touch old people living in the past”, you are a bigot. And if you hate or denigrate people who don’t agree with your poltical views and don’t think they should be entitled to have them, including pulling out all stops to prevent them airing them, you are most definitely a bigot.

Here_and_Now said :

Darkfalz said :

Honestly I am sick of the euphemistically termed “marriage equality” brigade and all their shout down, you’re a bigot if you don’t agree with me heavy handed crap.

How is it a euphemism?

I could take any two different things and try to force people to call them the same under the auspices of “equality”. The only thing equal here is the number of people involved, just about everything else, including implications for family and society, is different. Not necessarily better or worse, but certainly different.

I could say I want “life equality” for to be aborted children, for example. Or I want “toilet equality” so that I can use female restrooms when I want to. Or “price equality” at the supermarket between different brands. Because how is “equality” ever a bad thing? They simple fact is they’ve taken to using it because it comes off nicer than saying they want gay marriage legalised.

Flossie said :

Canberra times covers the bigotry, oh I mean incident.
http://m.canberratimes.com.au/national/scuffle-at-rights-rally-20120811-241u0.html

Wow. The Canberra Times reports that it was the cafe owner.

Canberra times covers the bigotry, oh I mean incident.
http://m.canberratimes.com.au/national/scuffle-at-rights-rally-20120811-241u0.html

Masquara said :

Pork Hunt said :

Does being a member of ACT PFLAG make one a “PFLAGgot”…?

Absolutely no ingot for that.

ingot noun:
a mass of metal cast in a convenient form for shaping, remelting, or refining.

Darkfalz said :

Honestly I am sick of the euphemistically termed “marriage equality” brigade and all their shout down, you’re a bigot if you don’t agree with me heavy handed crap.

How is it a euphemism?

Pork Hunt said :

Does being a member of ACT PFLAG make one a “PFLAGgot”…?

Absolutely no ingot for that.

Does being a member of ACT PFLAG make one a “PFLAGgot”…?

nsn said :

That signage is awful.

I refer to xkcd: “If you really hate someone, teach them to recognise bad kerning.”

http://xkcd.com/1015/

lmao… as if our apostrophe police weren’t enough. Now we roll out the secret kerning police.

I had to google it… 😐

It’s not just a little ironic that, shortly after the Deputy Chief Minister declared at the rally that the ACT Government aspired to make the ACT the GLBTI friendliest state or territory in Australia that the following speeches were drowned out by the local business “Landmark Cafe”.

It’s just sad that this same business, while complaining that the rally was impacting his business (no more than the uncomfortable blaring music coming from his exterior speakers, no doubt), he also repeatedly told potential customers “we don’t want your business”.

I guess because they were either gay or were “friendly” to the GLBTI community.

The ACT has a long road ahead if it wants to achieve the Deputy Chief Minister’s mantle and, clearly, this business is doing little to positively impact the culture of the CBD.

(I would love to have had 200 people near my shop on a quiet Saturday. I guess their business model is different to mine but clearly offending people, scaring them away while playing uncomfortably loud music and taking a swing at the head of a guy who objected to his wife being called a b***h is the path to success)

Honestly I am sick of the euphemistically termed “marriage equality” brigade and all their shout down, you’re a bigot if you don’t agree with me heavy handed crap

If you discriminate against people because of their sexual preferences, you’re a bigot.

Attempting to cast your bigotry as mere disagreement is a common tactic among bigots – see, for example, the classic ‘I’m not a racist, but’. It’s just saying ‘but’. We just ‘disagree’. It’s not hatred when I want to deny a person equality under the law because of who they are. I don’t hate them. I just want to be able to tell them what to do – including what they can say, where and when they can say it – in a way I’d never allow them to do to me.

I mean, you certainly don’t deserve a label like ‘bigot’ just for having the same sort of disagreement people have about, say, whether to have a fish taco for lunch, or a hot dog, with its long, rubbery meat nestled among two pillowy soft but springy buns. (I’m guessing you think it’s OK to have a hot dog – like the ones at Costco, that squirt hot juice in your mouth as you bite into them – as long as one of the people also has a fish taco. Under no circumstances can their be hot-dogging among two people with hot dogs only. Their hot dogs might touch, and the collapse of civilisation couldn’t be far away. Two fish tacos? Maybe, if both diners think that it’s unseasonably warm, and you get to watch.)

PS: Bigot.

I know this is RA but how the fark did a thread on a new take away cafe turn into a debate abut euphemisms & marraige equality???

Just to work through this a little but at a time…

Darkfalz said :

Honestly I am sick of the euphemistically termed “marriage equality” brigade and all their shout down, you’re a bigot if you don’t agree with me heavy handed crap.

‘I’m going to powder my nose’ is a euphemism for ‘I’m going to the toilet’. I’m not sure what you think ‘marriage equality’ is a euphemism for.

And of course there’s the anti-marriage equality brigade wit their heavy handed ‘we already heard you, so shut up already’ shout down tactics as demonstrated in you post. Feel free to call people on what you think they are doing wrong, but expect to get it back.

Darkfalz said :

You don’t do your case any good by projecting imaginary “hatred” on people who simply differ in their beliefs to try to take the moral high ground, and when you pull this crap in public you bring it on yourself.

People do have different opinions, and are entitled to them and to express them. However, name calling in load voices and heading outside in an attempt to hit the person you disagree with goes a bit further than having a disagreement and I’m happy to settle on bigot as a term to describe the one person who acted that way.

As for ‘pulling this crap in public’, well… permits for the event were granted, so permission was given by the ACT government for this to event to happen – just like the Landmark Cafe has been given permission to operate in its location. And a member of the Landmark Cafe staff was pulling crap in public – turning up the volume of music to a level where it would have been difficult to conduct business at the cafe, and verbally abusing people.

Darkfalz said :

We know how you feel, and you’re entitled to your opinion, but people shouldn’t have to hear it over megaphone during their lunch break.

Plainly the ACT government don’t agree, otherwise they wouldn’t have granted permission for the rally to occur. In terms of what happens in Civic, the place where the rally took place is a bit off the beaten track these days – most people tend to stick to the Canberra Centre where the majority of the businesses are. I’ve commented already that the Landmark Cafe had 200+ potential customers that the actions of one staff member ensured did not become actual customers.

I won’t bother with the rest, as I didn’t look at the video and, seriously, if you think this is similar to the Chik-Fil-A stuff, you are plainly given to excessive hyperbole. I’ve endeavoured to keep what’s in my posts to what actually happened on Saturday – and did so in a place where the Landmark Cafe has previously posted and can respond, if they choose.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Darkfalz said :

Honestly I am sick of the euphemistically termed “marriage equality” brigade and all their shout down, you’re a bigot if you don’t agree with me heavy handed crap. You don’t do your case any good by projecting imaginary “hatred” on people who simply differ in their beliefs to try to take the moral high ground, and when you pull this crap in public you bring it on yourself. We know how you feel, and you’re entitled to your opinion, but people shouldn’t have to hear it over megaphone during their lunch break.

This guy would be right at home here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thNqs9fPcgM

Hey, maybe this business could become the “Chick-Fil-A” of Canberra?

If you are homophobic, then yes, you are a bigot.

From what I’ve read, it was one employee of the cafe, not the cafe itself. Perhaps we should hear from Landmark?

Darkfalz said :

Honestly I am sick of the euphemistically termed “marriage equality” brigade and all their shout down, you’re a bigot if you don’t agree with me heavy handed crap. You don’t do your case any good by projecting imaginary “hatred” on people who simply differ in their beliefs to try to take the moral high ground, and when you pull this crap in public you bring it on yourself. We know how you feel, and you’re entitled to your opinion, but people shouldn’t have to hear it over megaphone during their lunch break.

This guy would be right at home here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thNqs9fPcgM

Hey, maybe this business could become the “Chick-Fil-A” of Canberra?

If you are homophobic, then yes, you are a bigot.

GregM said :

A bit of an issue today at the Equal Love rally, held (as usual) near the merry go hound and with permission of the ACT government. One of the staff at the Landmark Cafe was obviously not pleased to have the topic of same sex marriage rights, turned up the music to compete with the speakers at the rally, told some of the 200+ rallyers that the cafe didn’t want their money and refused service, and at the end of the rally referred to one of those departing as a ‘fag’, which almost led to fisticuffs with people on both sides being held back.

Reminds me of that Adam Sandler movie where a similar situation occurs resulting in the headline “Gay Bashers Bashed at Gay Bash”.

Honestly I am sick of the euphemistically termed “marriage equality” brigade and all their shout down, you’re a bigot if you don’t agree with me heavy handed crap. You don’t do your case any good by projecting imaginary “hatred” on people who simply differ in their beliefs to try to take the moral high ground, and when you pull this crap in public you bring it on yourself. We know how you feel, and you’re entitled to your opinion, but people shouldn’t have to hear it over megaphone during their lunch break.

This guy would be right at home here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thNqs9fPcgM

Hey, maybe this business could become the “Chick-Fil-A” of Canberra?

Thanks for the info, instant blacklist for me.

Masquara said :

Well who knows what competitors might be flaming this startup business (they are in a pretty good location). If I owned a cafe I’d be confronted by a loud inconsiderate rally scaring my customers away (nothing to do with homophobia) and I’d be rousing on them too. Who knows what “hipster ‘tood” was directed at the cafe by the Gaycrash “sorority”? I can just picture some insufferable self-righteous types.

Thanks for your critique…

1. I’m not a competitor or a friend of a competitor with the Landmark Cafe. I was a potential customer, and pass by it most days – I just hadn’t got around to making use of it. I won’t now, because of what happened today.

2. This rally has occurred regularly in this location, and the only thing that changed is that the cafe has opened. As for scaring customers away, some at the rally tried to be customers and were turned away. A good business would surely seek to meet the needs of a potential set of customers rather than denying them service and even insulting them. If they’d managed to sell a coffee to 1 in 10 of the crowd, that’d have been 20+ coffees, plus the potential of good word of mouth.

3. Attention of the crowd was on the speakers, including Andrew Barr, Deputy Chief Minister and Shane Rattenbury, Speaker of the ACT Legislative Assembly, as well as people ranging from infants in strollers to grandparents (a large contingent of ACT PLFLAG – Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays – we present, in case you wonder how I know some were grandparents). That’s probably rather different than what you had in mind when you said ‘Gaycrash “sorority”‘.

It wasn’t that long ago that the small chocolate shop in Centrepoint was put out of business by ever increasing rents – it had been a canberra tradition.

These owners told me that many shops closed due to rent hikes from a landlord intent on pulling down and rebuilding with flats above retail space. Wonder what went wrong with those plans?

johnboy said :

Public space is supposed to be where we can choose to gather. If a cafe wants to control who can be around it there’s a shopping mall 30 metres away.

I’m just a bit cautious about seeing a small business slammed here, without necessarily access to the facts. Big business – like ClubsACT – different story.

johnboy said :

How dare the public want to use the public space this business is hoping to appropriate!

I’d be assuming they’re paying for pavement space …

GregM said :

I suspect that the Landmark Cafe lost more than the business this staff member turned away today – I personally had not yet tried them, and now I won’t. Canberra, and food industry, is no place for homophobia,and I’ll be voting with my money – elsewhere.

Thanks for posting that. They’ll never get any custom from me.

Well who knows what competitors might be flaming this startup business (they are in a pretty good location). If I owned a cafe I’d be confronted by a loud inconsiderate rally scaring my customers away (nothing to do with homophobia) and I’d be rousing on them too. Who knows what “hipster ‘tood” was directed at the cafe by the Gaycrash “sorority”? I can just picture some insufferable self-righteous types.

GregM said :

A bit of an issue today at the Equal Love rally, held (as usual) near the merry go hound and with permission of the ACT government. One of the staff at the Landmark Cafe was obviously not pleased to have the topic of same sex marriage rights, turned up the music to compete with the speakers at the rally, told some of the 200+ rallyers that the cafe didn’t want their money and refused service, and at the end of the rally referred to one of those departing as a ‘fag’, which almost led to fisticuffs with people on both sides being held back.

The young staff member of Landmark probably won’t have a long career in the industry if he can’t deal with people better. He is perfectly entitled to have opinions, but if he wants the business he works for to be able to turn a profit, he’ll need to learn to keep them to himself.

I suspect that the Landmark Cafe lost more than the business this staff member turned away today – I personally had not yet tried them, and now I won’t. Canberra, and food industry, is no place for homophobia,and I’ll be voting with my money – elsewhere.

The earlier issues could have been over looked, especially considering the staff coming on here and seemingly being genuinely sorry and gave good enough excuses.

But this, this is unacceptable, the moron in question needs to be sacked immediately, he has tarnished your business beyond any hope of reconciliation until he is gone.

GregM said :

A bit of an issue today at the Equal Love rally, held (as usual) near the merry go hound and with permission of the ACT government. One of the staff at the Landmark Cafe was obviously not pleased to have the topic of same sex marriage rights, turned up the music to compete with the speakers at the rally, told some of the 200+ rallyers that the cafe didn’t want their money and refused service, and at the end of the rally referred to one of those departing as a ‘fag’, which almost led to fisticuffs with people on both sides being held back.

The young staff member of Landmark probably won’t have a long career in the industry if he can’t deal with people better. He is perfectly entitled to have opinions, but if he wants the business he works for to be able to turn a profit, he’ll need to learn to keep them to himself.

I suspect that the Landmark Cafe lost more than the business this staff member turned away today – I personally had not yet tried them, and now I won’t. Canberra, and food industry, is no place for homophobia,and I’ll be voting with my money – elsewhere.

Wow. That is shocking.

Thanks for posting that. I’ll never be going there now after reading that and I’ll tell my friends.

A bit of an issue today at the Equal Love rally, held (as usual) near the merry go hound and with permission of the ACT government. One of the staff at the Landmark Cafe was obviously not pleased to have the topic of same sex marriage rights, turned up the music to compete with the speakers at the rally, told some of the 200+ rallyers that the cafe didn’t want their money and refused service, and at the end of the rally referred to one of those departing as a ‘fag’, which almost led to fisticuffs with people on both sides being held back.

The young staff member of Landmark probably won’t have a long career in the industry if he can’t deal with people better. He is perfectly entitled to have opinions, but if he wants the business he works for to be able to turn a profit, he’ll need to learn to keep them to himself.

I suspect that the Landmark Cafe lost more than the business this staff member turned away today – I personally had not yet tried them, and now I won’t. Canberra, and food industry, is no place for homophobia,and I’ll be voting with my money – elsewhere.

Great to hear they are aware of a few of the issues.

I will try you guys out when I can 🙂

Will you have Frapes in Summer?

These guys are a great new business worth supporting. Glad to see some new business in city walk. Still perfecting their craft but do give them a try!

the coffe and food from here was amazing!

Not wanting to split hairs, but I will, the kerning on that sign isn’t too bad – it hasn’t been manually kerned, so the correctly kerned pairs within the font set – “DM” and “CA” – make the rest look a bit loose, but not egregiously so IMO.

The real problem with the sign is the word spacing.

nsn said :

That signage is awful.

I refer to xkcd: “If you really hate someone, teach them to recognise bad kerning.”

http://xkcd.com/1015/

Agreed- the signage looks cheap…really cheap.

chrisbloke said :

Terrible!. Waited too long on my lunch break while the female staff finished chatting with their friends on the street before being served. Then got a cold sausage roll while listening to them complaining about the customers wanting the sugar put in their coffee whilst it was being made. I won’t be back but I am pretty sure that won’t bother them.

That’s why you should always get your java hit from Bean in the city- no disappointment there…How many times do i have to tell you ?

I had a hot chocolate from there today and it was fantastic.. I think this may be my new morning coffee joint!

Firstly, we’d like to thank everyone for their feedback. We always want to hear about your experiences at our establishment. To Canburnian and chrisbloke, we are sorry to hear you were unhappy with our service. Being a very new business, we are still ‘ironing out the kinks’, so to speak.

Canburnian, I believe I was the barista you spoke to, if memory serves. As you walked off so quickly after your comment, I couldn’t elaborate on my perhaps overly brief summation of the situation.

I admit, I knocked over a stack of lids, the resulting scramble knocked over the cups, I then made the coffees and realised I’d handed off your cup in my haste, after the fact. It’s been my first mistake the week we’ve been open, and I’m sorry it had to happen to you.

I believe I said ‘Sorry mate, they nicked off with your cup. My bad there.’ With the intent to further explain the delay resulting from the previous request for confirmation of your order. You called me on that statement as you left. I’m still not sure if you heard me say that last bit? In any case, I sincerely apologise for the delay, and I hope your coffee was otherwise enjoyable.

chrisbloke, all staff have been spoken to about disrupting the flow of regular service. Thankyou for the feedback on our hot-box, we will endeavour to be more vigilant with our food serving temperatures from now on. In regards to sugars put in the takeaway coffees for our customers, as of Friday there was no set policy whether to do so, or not. The opinions expressed were singular to the staff members involved and they have all been spoken to. The policy as it stands now is: we are happy to put them in for you. Just tell us how many you would like, if at all.

For the record chrisbloke, it bothers us very much. For both of you, if you would be willing to come in and chat with us we’d be happy to rectify this situation however we can.

I-filed: We are happy to say our cafe is not connected to any cult. It’s simply that we are surrounded by landmarks, we thought it would be clever to be one of our own.

Regards,
Landmark Cafe.

Terrible!. Waited too long on my lunch break while the female staff finished chatting with their friends on the street before being served. Then got a cold sausage roll while listening to them complaining about the customers wanting the sugar put in their coffee whilst it was being made. I won’t be back but I am pretty sure that won’t bother them.

Terrible service.

No one there and I order my coffee, a few minutes later 2 other guys rock up, so she stops making mine to serve them, Another few minutes later she calls out their name and gives them the coffee. Then another few minutes calls Dave and then asks me if it’s my latte with sugar, then I explained what I ordered,

She then remakes my drink and blames the 2 guys for taking my drink. I had to remind her that she had called out to them and had given them the drinks.

Incompetence followed by lies.

rainmaker said :

A small step in the right direction, but there are still a hell of a lot of shopfronts empty. How long has that old JB Hi-Fi been empty now, what, 3 or 4 years? Think of the missed rent that could have been received if they reduced their asking price, but instead the lessors refuse and they receive zero for years.

Rainmaker, your statement is untrue. The premises remain under lease to JB Hi Fi.

An photo on this page shows the Woolworths variety store where the current ActewAGL shopfront is currently situated. The Woolworths grocery store was located where Centerpoint is now – directly opposite.

Probably explains the confusion!

GardeningGirl said :

The BIg W type store was on the other side, the supermarket and the adjoining takeaway food section were in the Centrepoint location. I remember the donut machine too. 🙂

Spot on. For the others who don’t know, the variety store was in the building attached to the Bailey Arcade, fronting the merry go round. The woolies supermarket was where this cafe and Centrepoint are now.

The variety store had a big open bin of up-market wrapped chocolates, you filled a basket and they weighed it. I think every schoolkid in Canberra got dared to try shoplifting them.

The supermarket was there with its wonderful doughnut machine, but the really good supermarket was Coles New World, inside the Monaro Mall (opposite Waltons). It was huge. It’s hard to extrapolate positions now, everything’s so changed in there, but kind-of where Lincraft is. Sort-of. ish.

nsn said :

That signage is awful.

I refer to xkcd: “If you really hate someone, teach them to recognise bad kerning.”

http://xkcd.com/1015/

A kindred spirit!

I wonder if the Cafe could put a bit of a boundary near the tables and chairs, maybe some pot plants/hedging type style? Right now it feels a bit like you are just plonked in the middle of a walkway (which I guess is technically true) with an outdoor setting from anywhere. Other than that, it’s good to see a cafe along City Walk – hopefully also be open on the weekend.

It was Woolworths on the merry-go-round side.

Any connection with the notorious Landmark cult? If so, steer clear.

EvanJames said :

Does the interior have any relics to the bygone Woolworths, that used to be there? I used to love watching the doughnut machine in the window, plopping doughnuts into the hot oil.

Woolworths was on the other side – in the block that has Ted’s camera store.

Good luck to them but I can’t help thinking it’s like giving the Titanic a lick of paint two hours after it hit the iceberg.

Holden Caulfield said :

I noticed this on the weekend. It’s a good site for a cafe, I wish them well. They could probably do with some competition in neighbouring shops to help get people back from the shiny new North quarter.

+1

dtc said :

EvanJames said :

Does the interior have any relics to the bygone Woolworths, that used to be there? I used to love watching the doughnut machine in the window, plopping doughnuts into the hot oil.

I’m pretty sure Woolworths was on the other side, where ACTEW now is.

Then again, it was a long time ago.

The BIg W type store was on the other side, the supermarket and the adjoining takeaway food section were in the Centrepoint location. I remember the donut machine too. 🙂

EvanJames said :

Does the interior have any relics to the bygone Woolworths, that used to be there? I used to love watching the doughnut machine in the window, plopping doughnuts into the hot oil.

I’m pretty sure Woolworths was on the other side, where ACTEW now is.

Then again, it was a long time ago.

That signage is awful.

I refer to xkcd: “If you really hate someone, teach them to recognise bad kerning.”

http://xkcd.com/1015/

rainmaker said :

A small step in the right direction, but there are still a hell of a lot of shopfronts empty. How long has that old JB Hi-Fi been empty now, what, 3 or 4 years? Think of the missed rent that could have been received if they reduced their asking price, but instead the lessors refuse and they receive zero for years.

Its good to see see how they go! I am all for centre point revitalisation. Re JB Hi fi spot the building owners are still collecting rent from JB so probably the reason 10 year lease i think, rich get richer.

Does the interior have any relics to the bygone Woolworths, that used to be there? I used to love watching the doughnut machine in the window, plopping doughnuts into the hot oil.

Is the Apple store still going into the space in the bottom of the old AGL House? That should certainly revitalise the precinct.

A small step in the right direction, but there are still a hell of a lot of shopfronts empty. How long has that old JB Hi-Fi been empty now, what, 3 or 4 years? Think of the missed rent that could have been received if they reduced their asking price, but instead the lessors refuse and they receive zero for years.

Q: When will he tire of Canberra Times criticisms?
A: When eagles lay truffles.

And how did I miss a free coffee?

I noticed this on the weekend. It’s a good site for a cafe, I wish them well. They could probably do with some competition in neighbouring shops to help get people back from the shiny new North quarter.

I like how they were handing out free coffees the other day.