Charnwood swan molestor gets 11 months

Mysteryman said :

Postalgeek said :

Stuck on a desert island with another human and a swan, the human would be more valuable only because they have more calories.

I think the average human would be more valuable regardless.

But if it was someone who thinks like you do? I’ll take the swan.

Yes, I think the swan and I would be groaning at the seams if it were someone who thinks like you.

What’s the bet he has absolutely no idea how many drinks he had consumed. If he got caught driving it would have been 2 as it was he killed a swan and it was 20. Pity the defence does not have to play by the whole truth thing.

Nice work Mr Plod.

p1 said :

Deref said :

wooster said :

And those who honestly equate a swan’s life with the value of human life need their heads checked.

I eagerly look forward to your explanation of why a (sub)human life is of more importance than a swan’s.

I also await the well reasoned argument. I can certainly think of humans I would step over in order to save a cute animal.

I think it was fairly obvious that Wooster wasn’t arguing that Inder’s life was more valuable than the swan’s, but that the lives of human victims of crime are treated by the courts as being of less value than the swan victim in this case.

I don’t know if this is necessarily the case (eg. Vula Tabulutu just got 4.5 years for bashing someone while he was drunk, which is significantly more than Inder’s sentence for drunkenly bashing a swan to death), but it does seem people are wilfully misreading (and selectively quoting) Wooster’s comment.

My personal opinion is you have to be just as evil to enjoy bashing an animal to death as a human to death, but that the overall cost of killing a human is more and you should therefore be punished accordingly.

chewy14 said :

Now if they can only apply this kind of sentencing to more important crimes.

+1

Postalgeek said :

Stuck on a desert island with another human and a swan, the human would be more valuable only because they have more calories.

I think the average human would be more valuable regardless.

But if it was someone who thinks like you do? I’ll take the swan.

Postalgeek said :

Stuck on a desert island with another human and a swan, the human would be more valuable only because they have more calories.

+1

Stuck on a desert island with another human and a swan, the human would be more valuable only because they have more calories.

Mysteryman said :

wooster said :

…And those who honestly equate a swan’s life with the value of human life need their heads checked.

And before there’s a mountain of ridiculous counter-arguments launched, weigh up the above crime/sentence with the fact that there have been people found guilty of king-hits, glassings and culpable driving leading to death in Canberra who received lesser sentences.

Agreed.

Deref said :

wooster said :

And those who honestly equate a swan’s life with the value of human life need their heads checked.

I eagerly look forward to your explanation of why a (sub)human life is of more importance than a swan’s.

The ability to reason, to think critically, to possess and experience emotion, to create, to change our environment to suit us, to express ourselves through art and music, a superior ability to study and understand the world in which we live…

Shall I go on? Perhaps you’d like to back up your claim that a human is no more valuable than a swan, or a duck, or a rat, or some other animal? I look forward to hearing that argument.

None of which the common houso bogan are capable of.

Sitting on a couch on the verandah pulling cones inbetween B&E’s to supplement the dole, is not a valuable human being. It isn’t even a human.

They’ll be quite happy to take your hard earned property without a moments hesitation or ‘bash ya’ for the most ridiculous reasons. Why on earth should such animals be elevated beyond ‘bottom feeder’ status?

Deref said :

wooster said :

And those who honestly equate a swan’s life with the value of human life need their heads checked.

I eagerly look forward to your explanation of why a (sub)human life is of more importance than a swan’s.

The ability to reason, to think critically, to possess and experience emotion, to create, to change our environment to suit us, to express ourselves through art and music, a superior ability to study and understand the world in which we live…

You must surely agree that the Swan molester showed few to none of the qualities you list, and this deficit is becoming increasingly apparent among the general population, one need only look to the activities of Schoolies or the so-called Muck Up days.

wooster said :

…And those who honestly equate a swan’s life with the value of human life need their heads checked.

And before there’s a mountain of ridiculous counter-arguments launched, weigh up the above crime/sentence with the fact that there have been people found guilty of king-hits, glassings and culpable driving leading to death in Canberra who received lesser sentences.

Agreed.

Deref said :

wooster said :

And those who honestly equate a swan’s life with the value of human life need their heads checked.

I eagerly look forward to your explanation of why a (sub)human life is of more importance than a swan’s.

The ability to reason, to think critically, to possess and experience emotion, to create, to change our environment to suit us, to express ourselves through art and music, a superior ability to study and understand the world in which we live…

Shall I go on? Perhaps you’d like to back up your claim that a human is no more valuable than a swan, or a duck, or a rat, or some other animal? I look forward to hearing that argument.

itsallme said :

I hope the rumours I’ve heard about the things that happen in gaol are true for this guy. PVC piping and barbed wire all the way…

You know. I’m not sure what is worse. The death of a swan at the hands of a drunk kid, or wishing and suggesting to do this to someone as punishment for it in a sober condition.

Deref said :

wooster said :

And those who honestly equate a swan’s life with the value of human life need their heads checked.

I eagerly look forward to your explanation of why a (sub)human life is of more importance than a swan’s.

I also await the well reasoned argument. I can certainly think of humans I would step over in order to save a cute animal.

wooster said :

And those who honestly equate a swan’s life with the value of human life need their heads checked.

I eagerly look forward to your explanation of why a (sub)human life is of more importance than a swan’s.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/pilot-busts-man-over-laser-stunt/story-fn7x8me2-1226205306550

good thing this joke of a judge was not in charge.

wooster said :

Obviously a sickening crime.
And those who honestly equate a swan’s life with the value of human life need their heads checked.

A vile sub-human lowlife like this has no value to anyone. His only contribution to society will be crime and/or a permanent position on the dole queue.

He will regret his name being published. Might wanna move O/S when released.

Skidbladnir said :

which are causes, symptoms, affects, or merely affiliated patterns.

Sweet zombie Jesus, normally I’d proofread before hitting Submit.
Causes, symptoms, effects, or affiliated patterns, obviously…

Obviously a sickening crime.

Still it seems that he’s gotten a harsher sentence than many of those who commit assaults against actual people.

And those who honestly equate a swan’s life with the value of human life need their heads checked.

And before there’s a mountain of ridiculous counter-arguments launched, weigh up the above crime/sentence with the fact that there have been people found guilty of king-hits, glassings and culpable driving leading to death in Canberra who received lesser sentences.

Henry82 said :

jonquil14 said :

This kind of sadistic cruelty to animals is often indicative of serious psychiatric problems

I assume you’re an expert to make that claim?

http://the-riotact.com/charnwood-swan-molester/55958#comments (post #8 & #14)

1) To be fair, I (as the person who made the comments to which you refer…) am also not an expert. I just read widely. But the studies into the topic identify that the link is quite weak (but not easy to dismiss totally), and aren’t clearly directionally defined as to which are causes, symptoms, affects, or merely affiliated patterns.

2) Pay closer attention. The only times I arc into a rant is when people have said “Haven’t there been studies that show that people who abuse animals run a significant risk of becoming people-abusers? and “…animal cruelty is an indicator for psychopathology.“

3) Use the rant at #53 in this thread if you really want to have a stab at parroting people. Its slightly more coherent. Just attribute your source. 😛

Scumbag! I hope he gets Hepatitis while he’s doing his bid and/or shanked.

Henry82 said :

jonquil14 said :

This kind of sadistic cruelty to animals is often indicative of serious psychiatric problems

I assume you’re an expert to make that claim?

http://the-riotact.com/charnwood-swan-molester/55958#comments (post #8 & #14)

That argues against a link between animal violence and violence against people. It in no way suggests that people who abuse animals don’t have serious mental illnesses.

Funky1 said :

Remember that he has to enter a GBO and given his total lack of remorse you can be pretty sure he break the GBO in some way so hopefully have to serve the full sentence.

Wrong, he’ll breach the GBO and go to court and be warned if he keeps breaching it he’ll face the serious consequences of more warnings.

I just wonder how his bogan mates all said it was already dead – however, the independent lady and the kid saw it was alive. Lying low life scum. (the bogans I mean – not the witnesses).

What excuse will they think up now for their (and his) atrocious behaviour?

jonquil14 said :

This kind of sadistic cruelty to animals is often indicative of serious psychiatric problems (over and above those he has allegedly been diagnosed with). In addition to his sentence, surely the judge could have put him into court ordered psychiatric treatment, and ordered treatment of the ADHD/Tourette’s at the same time. You know, actually attempt to rehabilitate the guy before he does the same thing to a person.

From the CT article:

“Ms Campbell said a pre-sentence report showed Inder did not express any remorse for the killing and had told the report’s author he would refuse to attend any rehabilitation programs or self-help schemes.”

Can’t help low life scum if they refuse to help themselves.

jonquil14 said :

This kind of sadistic cruelty to animals is often indicative of serious psychiatric problems

I assume you’re an expert to make that claim?

http://the-riotact.com/charnwood-swan-molester/55958#comments (post #8 & #14)

This kind of sadistic cruelty to animals is often indicative of serious psychiatric problems (over and above those he has allegedly been diagnosed with). In addition to his sentence, surely the judge could have put him into court ordered psychiatric treatment, and ordered treatment of the ADHD/Tourette’s at the same time. You know, actually attempt to rehabilitate the guy before he does the same thing to a person.

PBO said :

I hope that when he is inside he gets a stake driven through him when he meets the “Charnwood Swan Molestor” Molestor.

True story.

I hope that when he is inside he gets a stake driven through him when he meets the “Charnwood Swan Molestor” Molestor.

jcitizen said :

Mysteryman said :

qbngeek said :

…Why is his life worth more than the swan?

Are you serious? It concerns me that people who think like this are part of our society.

I’m concerned that people like Inder are part of our society.

I agree!
But can you tell me why you didnt have the same opinion about the”muck up day “possum molesterers” who showed the same level of indecency towards animals and humans alike?

Ah, is that directed at me? If so, then go and read the bloody possum thread.

No . SORRY” thumper”, it wasnt directed at you. My mistake. It was actually directed at” wooster”. blog 42 not 41. SORRY again

‘Among what rushes will they build,
By what lake’s edge or pool
Delight men’s eyes, when I awake some day
To find they have flown away?’

WB Yeats ‘The Wild Swans at Coole’

“The court heard Inder suffered from a developmental delay and had been diagnosed with attention-deficit disorder and Tourette’s syndrome.

He had had more than 20 drinks and was intoxicated at the time of the offence, believing that the swan had attacked him and his friends half-an-hour before he killed it.”

#$*% like that do a great disservice to people living decent lives while dealing with the challenges of such conditions. Some thoughts I had while reading the article . . was he diagnosed before or after being charged . . intoxication is a choice . . the claim that the swan attacked first reminded me of how some teachers respond when a bully says the other kid started it with a racial/gay/sexist/etc slur (I’m not saying genuine slurs should be ignored but some teachers have a simple kneejerk reaction to such claims and some kids know it), so if he was diagnosed/categorised during his school years I wonder if the education system contributed by teaching him to use that to transfer responsibility, it’s the other kids fault, it’s the swans fault . . how does someone who shows no remorse and refuses to attend rehabilitation get any part of his sentence suspended . . and bringing back an unpleasant memory of my own from a visit to a local park, maybe the parents who think it’s a relief to be able to enjoy their Maccas in peace because their youngsters are happily occupied throwing stones at the ducks, maybe they should think about what the youngsters will assume is acceptable behaviour when they are older.

Mysteryman said :

qbngeek said :

…Why is his life worth more than the swan?

Are you serious? It concerns me that people who think like this are part of our society.

I’m concerned that people like Inder are part of our society.

Swans are beautiful birds – their presence on our lakes and our skies improves our life significantly.

The swan-killer, on the other hand, is a boil on the backside of humanity.

The swans are worth much more then he is.

jcitizen said :

Mysteryman said :

qbngeek said :

…Why is his life worth more than the swan?

Are you serious? It concerns me that people who think like this are part of our society.

I’m concerned that people like Inder are part of our society.

I agree!
But can you tell me why you didnt have the same opinion about the”muck up day “possum molesterers” who showed the same level of indecency towards animals and humans alike?

Ah, is that directed at me? If so, then go and read the bloody possum thread.

And if its aimed at me, I stayed well away from it because I knew that all the bleeding hearts and idiots would come out and say it was just a bit of fun. For the record, I want to see those kids get smacked upside the head by the law so that they learn a lesson.

Remember that he has to enter a GBO and given his total lack of remorse you can be pretty sure he break the GBO in some way so hopefully have to serve the full sentence.

Now if they can only apply this kind of sentencing to more important crimes.

I was expecting 10hr community service, and a $50 fine. So everything above that is a bonus.

Mysteryman said :

qbngeek said :

…Why is his life worth more than the swan?

Are you serious? It concerns me that people who think like this are part of our society.

I’m concerned that people like Inder are part of our society.

I agree!
But can you tell me why you didnt have the same opinion about the”muck up day “possum molesterers” who showed the same level of indecency towards animals and humans alike?

So is Massey still on the loose after knocking off the sheila at the Chicken shop whilst the bird brain is in the slammer?

Respect for birds!!!

Ian said :

I thought 11 months sounded reasonable, but then I read the fine print and its only 3 months really.

He’ll probably appeal now and end up with an apology from the judge and compensation for having been attacked by the swan.

Why is it that everyone who commits a vile crime claims to have developmental disorders, ADHD, was affected by drugs? I’m waiting for the day when someone just owns up and says “yes, I did it because I’m a nasty, evil prick”.

I have ADD, I have also never killed a swan, then again I was raised to know wright from wrong, good maners, and good behavior.

If this kid has anything it’s ACAD (A Current Afair Disorder) which depics those kids you see on ACA adds who beat their parents with golf clubs “Becase he has ADD” When really, they just have parent who have nver disciplined their kids, becase that’s to hard for lazy bogans.

Mysteryman said :

qbngeek said :

…Why is his life worth more than the swan?

Are you serious? It concerns me that people who think like this are part of our society.

I am deadly serious, can you give me a reason why human life is so highly valued over animals? We are animals just like the rest of them, only we manage to commit worse atrocities and crimes than any other animal.

I am all for killing for food, but killing for pleasure/vengence/fashion/chinese penis potions is a crime and should be treated equally for animals and humans.

3 months, 11 months, any gaol time is a good result for animal cruelty matters.

I hope the rumours I’ve heard about the things that happen in gaol are true for this guy. PVC piping and barbed wire all the way…

Ian said :

I thought 11 months sounded reasonable, but then I read the fine print and its only 3 months really.

He’ll probably appeal now and end up with an apology from the judge and compensation for having been attacked by the swan.

Why is it that everyone who commits a vile crime claims to have developmental disorders, ADHD, was affected by drugs? I’m waiting for the day when someone just owns up and says “yes, I did it because I’m a nasty, evil prick”.

3 months in jail doesn’t sound like much – and it isn’t really – but he might find it is a loooong time if the other inmates find out why he’s in there.

Tooks said :

Maybe I’m the only one, but I was pleasantly surprised by that sentence. Would’ve expected a fully suspended sentence and maybe a GBO.

+2

A custodial sentence is a real surprise! Great result.

Tooks said :

Maybe I’m the only one, but I was pleasantly surprised by that sentence. Would’ve expected a fully suspended sentence and maybe a GBO.

+1

Pretty rare to hear of anyone getting an actual prison sentence for animal cruelty (albeit largely suspended).

I thought 11 months sounded reasonable, but then I read the fine print and its only 3 months really.

He’ll probably appeal now and end up with an apology from the judge and compensation for having been attacked by the swan.

Why is it that everyone who commits a vile crime claims to have developmental disorders, ADHD, was affected by drugs? I’m waiting for the day when someone just owns up and says “yes, I did it because I’m a nasty, evil prick”.

Maybe I’m the only one, but I was pleasantly surprised by that sentence. Would’ve expected a fully suspended sentence and maybe a GBO.

Just sickening. Unbelievably sickening.

Wait for all his f***wit mates to now come out and proclaim what a great guy he is.

And for Violet to come on saying how it was not his fault, he was forced into it by society, its the fault of the police, the swan should not have provoked him etc blah, blah, blah.

qbngeek said :

F**k that for a weak ar$e punishment. I am sick of these lowlifes being given pissweak opunishments by the bleeding heart magistrates. The guy killed an innocent animal, how would he go against a human if provoked or off his head.

It time that we start issuing proper punishments for cruelty to animals. WHy were his mates not punished? Did they stand there and laugh or did they try and stop it? Can I take to him with a tree stake and only get 3 months full time detention? Why is his life worth more than the swan? At least the swan did something for society by giving small kids something to look at in wonder while it swam around?

He will be out early next year and probably acting like derro bogan trash again within a week.

Hear hear, well said QbnGeek. This was utter brutality, it’s sickening, and in a year you might come face-to-face with this filth, or others like him, out and about…

We need a way to recognise the full import of what these people are and what they’re capable of, just like a person who murders people with brutality and cruelty. The evilness of what this person did is not something you can just ignore. he’ll do it again.

I hope someone sorts him out in gaol.

From memory, Swans (like many other birds) get married, they have partners for life, not just the breeding season.

qbngeek said :

…Why is his life worth more than the swan?

Are you serious? It concerns me that people who think like this are part of our society.

Imagine the distress of the lady and her child who actually saw this incident, rather than just reading about it. I hope it hasn’t stopped her going out to the park, though it would be understandable if it had.

It’s good to see the court taking an animal’s suffering quite seriously; usually a fine is all that’s given.

qbngeek said :

how would he go against a human if provoked?

…he didn’t need any “provocation” to threaten teachers…

“three months’ in full-time custody and another three months in weekend detention with the balance of the sentence suspended”.
WTF??
I have my golf club to drive up to someone’s arse, after I club his head to a pulp.May get a year for that. 🙂

Lowlife. Just glad there was a witness to this to get the facts straight.

F**k that for a weak ar$e punishment. I am sick of these lowlifes being given pissweak opunishments by the bleeding heart magistrates. The guy killed an innocent animal, how would he go against a human if provoked or off his head.

It time that we start issuing proper punishments for cruelty to animals. WHy were his mates not punished? Did they stand there and laugh or did they try and stop it? Can I take to him with a tree stake and only get 3 months full time detention? Why is his life worth more than the swan? At least the swan did something for society by giving small kids something to look at in wonder while it swam around?

He will be out early next year and probably acting like derro bogan trash again within a week.

“The court heard Inder suffered from a developmental delay and had been diagnosed with attention-deficit disorder and Tourette’s syndrome.

He had had more than 20 drinks and was intoxicated at the time of the offence, believing that the swan had attacked him and his friends half-an-hour before he killed it.

The prosecution said the attack was unprovoked, gratuitous and extreme.

Ms Campbell said a pre-sentence report showed Inder did not express any remorse for the killing and had told the report’s author he would refuse to attend any rehabilitation programs or self-help schemes.”

What a special person he is.

And revealing the claims by his mates jumping to his defence here as utter lies.
Cretins.
I’m sure that life in prison will lead to him getting some sliver of an insight into how the swan felt.

Good to see scum getting what they deserve.

This is an injustice! He didn’t even do it, he was just poking it!!!

Ashely Inder – I’ll be sure to remember the name.