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Collapsed carport, need someone to rip it down.

By Shanski_0 - 1 February 2012 36

car port collapse

Hi Rioters…

Just before Christmas our carport fell down.. it it quite a mess!

We are renting, so we are helping our landlord chase up builders, demolisher’s and whoever else we can contact.

The main issue is, Everyone she has contacted has been closed for Christmas, and only 1 builder has gotten back to her…

I’ve decided my partner and I can help pay, and be reimbursed by the LL (If she will accept this)… So does anyone have any recommendations who we can use?? anyone we should avoid?? It’s been a month, We’ve had a few windy days, and it’s starting to move a little… I’m worried about it moving more, or some debris flying off and damaging other houses…

collapsed carport

collapsed carport

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Collapsed carport, need someone to rip it down.
thatsnotme 9:37 pm 01 Feb 12

ThatUniStudent said :

And I thought I was gullible. As some one posted to me recently, they obviously saw you coming and put out the welcome mat.

First, your land lord’s financial problems are not your issue. They have obviously over extended themselves and can not afford to have two properties. Easy soloution, sell one.
Make an offical complaint in writing. If you already have, and have not taken action in four weeks, stop paying rent. Make an offical complaint to whoever the relevant authority is and start looking for a new place to live. Use the money you save from not paying rent for the bond and rent on a legitimate property.

Or, arrange for someone to get injured by the debris on said garage. When the legal shit clears, offer to buy the garbage dump you live in as part of the settlement from your former land lord. Take pity on the now broke land lord and offer to rent said dump back to them.

You’re all class.

Shanski_0 9:29 pm 01 Feb 12

Inappropriate said :

Shanski_0 said :

Thanks guys,

We normally haver a deal if we need something fixed, and she cant afford it, we don’t pay rent for how ever much it costs… But this time, She needs the rent for her mortgage, but she cant afford to get it pulled down at the moment as her hubby lost his job, she just had a baby, and they had to move house…. We don’t want to do it in case we wreck the house some how.. so it’s just a little annoying…

She could be telling you furphies, but she is under contract to keep the house in a reasonable state of repair.

But if she’s telling the truth, then why isn’t dear hubby coming over to demolish the car port?

They live in Sydney, We have a great relationship with our Landlord, We have lived here for 5 years, and had no major issues, This is the first one.. I trust her, but being after Christmas it’s hard financially, And I am getting married in 2 weeks, so it’s a little stressful right now.

thatsnotme 9:25 pm 01 Feb 12

So is this a private rental? The fact you have arrangements in place for paying for maintenance, there’s no mention of an agent, and you know so much about the landlord’s private circumstances makes me think it probably is.

Give the SES option a shot, but I’d think there are possible liability insurance issues there, and I’m not sure I’d be comfortable with my insurance having to cover a SES training exercise on my property!

When you say it’s fallen over, what are we talking about? Completely collapsed, and laying in a heap on the ground? Partially over, with parts still attached to the house? Is it all metal, metal and timber, timber and laserlite roofing?

Are you and your partner able to do any of the work yourselves? If all that’s necessary is deconstructing it, and it’s free of the house, maybe you can come to an agreement where your landlord pays for any tools you need to buy to do the job and some labour, you settle on a fee, and then use your existing arrangement once their situation has improved.

ThatUniStudent 9:22 pm 01 Feb 12

And I thought I was gullible. As some one posted to me recently, they obviously saw you coming and put out the welcome mat.

First, your land lord’s financial problems are not your issue. They have obviously over extended themselves and can not afford to have two properties. Easy soloution, sell one.
Make an offical complaint in writing. If you already have, and have not taken action in four weeks, stop paying rent. Make an offical complaint to whoever the relevant authority is and start looking for a new place to live. Use the money you save from not paying rent for the bond and rent on a legitimate property.

Or, arrange for someone to get injured by the debris on said garage. When the legal shit clears, offer to buy the garbage dump you live in as part of the settlement from your former land lord. Take pity on the now broke land lord and offer to rent said dump back to them.

m_ratt 7:46 pm 01 Feb 12

NoImRight said :

While agreeing thats its probably not a good idea to pay on your landlords behalf I think its also a bit over the top to go straight to letters “demanding” this and that and threatening someone who may be acting in good faith. If you have a good relationship with your land lord and feel they are doing their best you are doing the right thing working with them. Souring a relationship that suits both parties achieves nothing.

TL:DR version dont hand over dollars but also dont be a barrack room lawyer. Good luck.

Maybe, however standing up for your contractual rights shouldn’t sour a relationship what is little more than a business relationship.

If it’s come to the point of posting on a public forum to try to sort it out after waiting 5 weeks, it’s well beyond reasonable. If money is the issue, that should have been a consideration before investing in the property.

Is a carport ‘falling down’ not covered by building insurance?

Inappropriate 6:46 pm 01 Feb 12

Shanski_0 said :

Thanks guys,

We normally haver a deal if we need something fixed, and she cant afford it, we don’t pay rent for how ever much it costs… But this time, She needs the rent for her mortgage, but she cant afford to get it pulled down at the moment as her hubby lost his job, she just had a baby, and they had to move house…. We don’t want to do it in case we wreck the house some how.. so it’s just a little annoying…

She could be telling you furphies, but she is under contract to keep the house in a reasonable state of repair.

But if she’s telling the truth, then why isn’t dear hubby coming over to demolish the car port?

Shanski_0 6:20 pm 01 Feb 12

arb said :

Maybe worth contacting the SES to see if they can use it as a training exercise? Breaching, shoring, use of hand tools, etc would be useful practice for them.

Hey! Thats a great idea! I might try that….. Thanks!

Shanski_0 6:19 pm 01 Feb 12

Thanks guys,

We normally haver a deal if we need something fixed, and she cant afford it, we don’t pay rent for how ever much it costs… But this time, She needs the rent for her mortgage, but she cant afford to get it pulled down at the moment as her hubby lost his job, she just had a baby, and they had to move house…. We don’t want to do it in case we wreck the house some how.. so it’s just a little annoying…

NoImRight 3:10 pm 01 Feb 12

m_ratt said :

Don’t do it! If you put money towards it, there’s nothing to compel them to repay you. If money is the issue preventing repair from happening sooner, then that’s even worse.

Even as a non-urgent repair, they MUST make repairs within a reasonable period of time (4-weeks). If not, then you can argue that they are not keeping the premises in a reasonable state of repair. You can then apply to the ACT Civil and Administrative Tribunal (Tribunal) for a rent reduction.

Basically, it’s not your problem if they “can’t” get a tradesman to repair it. It’s theirs. If they need to exhaust all options or pay more to get priority service within the required timeframe, then they should.

Demand in writing that it be repaired within a reasonable timeframe from when you first reported it and state that after that go to the ACT CAT. You’ll be amazed what can be achieved by a landlord after they hear that.

If the collapsed carport is dangerous, then it’s an urgent repair and the timeframe deemed ‘reasonable’ is even shorter.

Read this: http://www.ors.act.gov.au/resources/attachments/The_Renting_Book_-_A_Guide_To_Your_Rights_And_Responsibilities_As_A_Tenant,_Property_Owner_Or_Real_Estate_Agent.pdf

While agreeing thats its probably not a good idea to pay on your landlords behalf I think its also a bit over the top to go straight to letters “demanding” this and that and threatening someone who may be acting in good faith. If you have a good relationship with your land lord and feel they are doing their best you are doing the right thing working with them. Souring a relationship that suits both parties achieves nothing.

TL:DR version dont hand over dollars but also dont be a barrack room lawyer. Good luck.

thatsnotme 2:55 pm 01 Feb 12

I can understand you helping to track someone down to do the job – it’s going above and beyond what you should have to do, but understandable if you want to keep good relations with the landlord (and actually get rid of the mess!) – but why on earth would you want to help foot the bill??

Reading your story, it seems the issue is simply finding anyone available to actually do the work, not paying for it…so if you manage to find someone who is available, wouldn’t you just arrange for the landlord to agree to the payment, and then book them in?

m_ratt 2:44 pm 01 Feb 12

Don’t do it! If you put money towards it, there’s nothing to compel them to repay you. If money is the issue preventing repair from happening sooner, then that’s even worse.

Even as a non-urgent repair, they MUST make repairs within a reasonable period of time (4-weeks). If not, then you can argue that they are not keeping the premises in a reasonable state of repair. You can then apply to the ACT Civil and Administrative Tribunal (Tribunal) for a rent reduction.

Basically, it’s not your problem if they “can’t” get a tradesman to repair it. It’s theirs. If they need to exhaust all options or pay more to get priority service within the required timeframe, then they should.

Demand in writing that it be repaired within a reasonable timeframe from when you first reported it and state that after that go to the ACT CAT. You’ll be amazed what can be achieved by a landlord after they hear that.

If the collapsed carport is dangerous, then it’s an urgent repair and the timeframe deemed ‘reasonable’ is even shorter.

Read this: http://www.ors.act.gov.au/resources/attachments/The_Renting_Book_-_A_Guide_To_Your_Rights_And_Responsibilities_As_A_Tenant,_Property_Owner_Or_Real_Estate_Agent.pdf

harvyk1 2:43 pm 01 Feb 12

EvanJames said :

harvyk1 said :

… and by 5 pm we where standing on an empty slab of concrete….

… eyeing a full slab of cold beer, I hope.

It wasn’t exactly full at that stage anymore…

arb 2:26 pm 01 Feb 12

Maybe worth contacting the SES to see if they can use it as a training exercise? Breaching, shoring, use of hand tools, etc would be useful practice for them.

EvanJames 2:16 pm 01 Feb 12

harvyk1 said :

… and by 5 pm we where standing on an empty slab of concrete….

… eyeing a full slab of cold beer, I hope.

harvyk1 2:09 pm 01 Feb 12

Get a couple of mates around one Saturday afternoon with a few angle grinders, arrange a scrap metal place to pick up the metal pieces the next day.

Easy done.

A couple of years ago myself and a few blokes helped knock down a mates double car garage which was in a pretty dodge state. (If we didn’t knock it down, the wind was going to do the job for us) we all arrived about 10 am that morning, cleared the crap out by midday (there was some old junk in there which needed to go to the tip) and by 5 pm we where standing on an empty slab of concrete.

Actually it was a lot of fun to tear it down… 🙂

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