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By Sarah.a 26 July 2010 58

Hi

I am a Western Australian student and I will have to go to ANU for uni next year and was looking at college accomodation but it’s really difficult without seeing the different collages which one is best.

I was wondering if anyone could give advice on the pros and cons of the different colleges?

What’s Your opinion?


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Masquara 9:37 pm 12 Nov 12

Micky_P said :

Fenner Hall – This is a baaaad option. It’s off campus. Look it up on a map, you don’t want to be walking/riding/bussing it everyday. The mini-bus they provide is often full, and especially often at peak times. LOTS of international students. I also hear bad stories of the cleaning staff having a bad roster, so the morning after the night before can be daunting in the bathrooms. No real party life. Avoid if possible.

What’s the issue with international students?

icmn91 6:03 pm 12 Nov 12

Skidd Marx said :

icmn91 said :

HenryBG said :

icmn91 said :

Just so you all know, I have emailed Ursula Hall regarding my concerns about my gluten free needs being totally inadequately addressed and the head of hall has responded. I have touched on the matter here http://icmn91.hubpages.com/hub/Ursula-Hall-Gluten-Free-Email-Response and wonder what your thoughts are. Do you think s/he has provided an adequate response??

How about trying “personal responsibility” for a change?

Stop trying to make your problems other people’s responsibility and deal with them yourself.

If you have a peculiar dietary requirement, cater for yourself instead of requiring other people to do so – other people who have no understanding of your needs and not much reason to really care too much.

Of course then you can’t blame everybody else for your own failures.

I took as much personal responsibility that I felt I needed to take. Far more than most gluten-intolerant residents who would very frequently cheat on the gluten free diet or not even bother with the gluten free diet (even though it helped).

The affects of untreated gluten sensitivities are immense. When the lining of the small intestine is in the early phases of destruction there are often few or no symptoms present. This point cannot be stressed enough.

I never expected the hall to be able to accommodate a gluten free diet. This was why I called them in 2009 (the year before I intended to start studying at the ANU). Much to my surprise the lady on the phone at Ursies admin said there would not be any problems at all and that they had students right then and there who needed gluten free foods.

Had this happened back in the 1990s I would have been doubtful. However, the fact of the matter (as much as some people might wish we were still in the ’80s) is that there are now laws in the country to protect us.

Untreated gluten sensitivity and coeliac disease can cause a host of health problems (many of which cannot be reversed once triggered). Type 1 (insulin-dependent) diabetes, osteoporosis, poor bone density (increasing the risk of fractures and failure to heal from these fractures), malnutrition and also neurological problems can result from continual exposure to even small amounts of gluten.

I could not think clearly while I was at Ursula Hall. Whether this was entirely or partly due to gluten contamination is unknown.

I would not recommend Ursula Hall to anyone who is even slightly concerned about food safety matters. The kitchen staff were (in my opinion and from my experience) completely clueless as to what food safety meant.

The ANU disabled my student email account as well. Anyone know why?? 😕

As a coeliac I sympathise with you.

But regardless of whether you’re right or wrong, if you keep pursuing this nothing will come of this except extreme and prolonged bitterness on your part. I really think you need to be the big person by accepting that the world is cruel & unjust at times. Move on or it’ll eat you up (no pun intended).

I’m moving on to the next level, slowly and steadily, as time goes by. I held off writing about it for quite a few months after I dropped out of uni – that way I had time to collect myself and get my thoughts in order.

As I’m sure you’d appreciate (being a coeliac), neurological problems have been a long and documented cause of untreated coeliac disease and gluten/dairy related illnesses. I was absent from just about every lecture last and this year, which was probably partly due to my lack of nutrition.

Most of the other ressies who were self-diagnosed as “gluten-intolerant” frequently succumbed to bread, oatmeal and heated-up croissants. Of course, with that consideration, the kitchen staff would be very confused and uncertain about how legitimate the need for properly labelled gluten free food is.

In any case (and as annoyed as I am about the matter), my goal is to [b]educate, not litigate[/b].

Skidd Marx said :

If Ursies were to burn down tomorrow, guess who they’d blame?

I believe that I was more than reasonable in the [link=”http://icmn91.hubpages.com/hub/Ursula-Hall-Gluten-Free-Email”]email that I sent to the Ursula Hall admin[/link], so I’m sure that if it were to burn down tomorrow, they couldn’t possibly blame me (not in their right mind(s), anyway).

EvanJames 11:47 pm 08 Nov 12

Micky_P said :

If I was selecting a college for myself; I would choose Burgmann, Bruce, Johns, B&G, Ursula, Unilodge, Fenner.

erm. You seem to have forgotten Toad!

For a coelic, I’d have thought self-catering was the go. I lived at B&G, and Toad. B&G hadn’t made enough kitchens when I was there, so a lot of us had no kitchen access except outside of peak (ie meal) times, so we obtained illegal cooking equipment (hotplates, hotpots and rice cookers) and cooked in our rooms.

Toad had kitchens, but stopping your pod-mates stealing your food and milk was always entertaining, coming up with new ways to poison or deter them.

Micky_P 9:25 pm 08 Nov 12

Take everything said here with a grain of salt, I’m a townie with friends in college. Also, these are broad generalisations, they are not the be all and end all.

Bruce Hall – it’s a nice college, you will be very happy if you get in. It’s not a wild party college, it’s not a lame college either. It kinda has an academic lean to it (relative to the others). As mentioned earlier, has a few more rural students than the rest.

Burgmann College – another nice college, the building is kinda dull on the inside, somewhat well-known for its party lifestyle. It’s filled with a lot of north shore Sydney types. Burgmann is also infamous for its bad food.

Burton & Garran Hall – I don’t know that much about it (sorry!). It’s one of the less prominent colleges and therefore gets overlooked. Doesn’t have the party reputation of other colleges.

Fenner Hall – This is a baaaad option. It’s off campus. Look it up on a map, you don’t want to be walking/riding/bussing it everyday. The mini-bus they provide is often full, and especially often at peak times. LOTS of international students. I also hear bad stories of the cleaning staff having a bad roster, so the morning after the night before can be daunting in the bathrooms. No real party life. Avoid if possible.

John XXIII College – the wild college. If you want to have fun, hook up a lot and like hanging out with footy heads. This is for you! I actually like the building, for what it’s worth. The food is good here as well. However, study is not encouraged and you will be typecast by the broader student body. However, very fun place.

Ursula Hall – the ‘lame’ college. Often picked on for being the quiet college, which is often true. They don’t really have a reputation for being good at sport or having wild nights. I haven’t heard bad things about their food. Kinda dull building.

Unilodge – it’s just an apartment with a (bad) social calendar. LOTS of international students. It’s often criticised for being too expensive, isolating and strict. It’s not really college life, it’s more an apartment complex in the city.

If I was selecting a college for myself; I would choose Burgmann, Bruce, Johns, B&G, Ursula, Unilodge, Fenner.

Masquara 7:36 pm 08 Nov 12

icmn91 said :

I almost never thought clearly while at the ANU. As I said earlier I ended up trying to avoid the college food that was poisoning me by going out to IGA and buying loads of lollies and eating several $$ worth a day. Wow, did I make myself sick! I have to admit I wasn’t exactly looking after myself in the best possible way even if I was gluten free.

Unfortunate.

icmn91 6:26 pm 08 Nov 12

Masquara said :

icmn91 at #23: I’m not equipped with the facts re your case, but I can’t really see how your not finishing uni can be sheeted home to the college. You would have had to have been a serial absentee to get yourself kicked out. You don’t sound like the sort of person who wouldn’t take advantage of medical reports and excuses and extensions.

I talked to the doctors at the ANU health service and none of them took my need for gluten free food seriously as I had never been formally diagnosed with coeliac disease. The coeliac disease tests from years back came back normal, although I did show a borderline on an older gluten antibody test that is non-specific for coeliac disease. I also had an elevated fecal fat and gluten antibody score which resolved on the gluten free diet within a couple of weeks (the stool detects problems with gluten far more early than the blood).

Therefore I was diagnosed with what is more likely to be non-coeliac gluten sensitivity and that I should follow a gluten free diet purely due to the symptomatic and clinical relief I experienced (something many doctors consider to be a fad – including those at the ANU health service).

I tried to get extensions for my assignments as much as possible. I have an ASD.

Masquara said :

Putting up with what you describe as long-term gluten ingestion was plain stupid, sorry – IF you are gluten intolerant. As I said, I don’t know your facts, but I certainly am aware of a pain in the arse “gluten intolerant” person around the ANU years ago, who scared the bejesus out of a college kitchen, claiming she would die if she ate food that had been cooked in a baking tray that had previously had wheat cooked in it. Turned out she had been eating bread with mislabelled ingredients all along – had been eating bread that was 30 per cent wheat. That true story I’m afraid makes me a little skeptical of your story, given that your words give the impression of a rather excitable person.

As I mentioned just above, I am indeed gluten intolerant.

Which college kitchen was this, that the ANU student complained to? I know that the head chef at Ursies got really annoyed when I brought up the issue of chips (that were labelled GF on the board) being cooked in the deep frying unit. He thought I was having him on.

And, of course, speaking of mislabelled bread, here’s something that might interest you (different country btw, but still…):

http://www.celiac.com/articles/22522/1/Paul-Seelig-Found-Guilty-of-Selling-Fake-Gluten-Free-Bread-Gets-11-Years/

Perhaps the head chef at Ursies will be the next “Paul Seelig”?

Mistakes will inevitably happen on a gluten free diet and accidental ingestions of gluten will occur (both through cross contamination and full-on gluten exposures). I remember back in 2000 when it was very difficult to know whether a food item was gluten free as ingredient lists didn’t declare the gluten-containing grains (i.e. wheat, barley, rye and oats).

I almost never thought clearly while at the ANU. As I said earlier I ended up trying to avoid the college food that was poisoning me by going out to IGA and buying loads of lollies and eating several $$ worth a day. Wow, did I make myself sick! I have to admit I wasn’t exactly looking after myself in the best possible way even if I was gluten free.

NoAddedMSG 4:49 pm 08 Nov 12

icmn91 said :

The ANU disabled my student email account as well. Anyone know why?? 😕

It’s not personal – they disable everyone’s account once they stop being a student, usually within a couple of months.

Skidd Marx 3:17 pm 08 Nov 12

icmn91 said :

HenryBG said :

icmn91 said :

Just so you all know, I have emailed Ursula Hall regarding my concerns about my gluten free needs being totally inadequately addressed and the head of hall has responded. I have touched on the matter here http://icmn91.hubpages.com/hub/Ursula-Hall-Gluten-Free-Email-Response and wonder what your thoughts are. Do you think s/he has provided an adequate response??

How about trying “personal responsibility” for a change?

Stop trying to make your problems other people’s responsibility and deal with them yourself.

If you have a peculiar dietary requirement, cater for yourself instead of requiring other people to do so – other people who have no understanding of your needs and not much reason to really care too much.

Of course then you can’t blame everybody else for your own failures.

I took as much personal responsibility that I felt I needed to take. Far more than most gluten-intolerant residents who would very frequently cheat on the gluten free diet or not even bother with the gluten free diet (even though it helped).

The affects of untreated gluten sensitivities are immense. When the lining of the small intestine is in the early phases of destruction there are often few or no symptoms present. This point cannot be stressed enough.

I never expected the hall to be able to accommodate a gluten free diet. This was why I called them in 2009 (the year before I intended to start studying at the ANU). Much to my surprise the lady on the phone at Ursies admin said there would not be any problems at all and that they had students right then and there who needed gluten free foods.

Had this happened back in the 1990s I would have been doubtful. However, the fact of the matter (as much as some people might wish we were still in the ’80s) is that there are now laws in the country to protect us.

Untreated gluten sensitivity and coeliac disease can cause a host of health problems (many of which cannot be reversed once triggered). Type 1 (insulin-dependent) diabetes, osteoporosis, poor bone density (increasing the risk of fractures and failure to heal from these fractures), malnutrition and also neurological problems can result from continual exposure to even small amounts of gluten.

I could not think clearly while I was at Ursula Hall. Whether this was entirely or partly due to gluten contamination is unknown.

I would not recommend Ursula Hall to anyone who is even slightly concerned about food safety matters. The kitchen staff were (in my opinion and from my experience) completely clueless as to what food safety meant.

The ANU disabled my student email account as well. Anyone know why?? 😕

As a coeliac I sympathise with you.

But regardless of whether you’re right or wrong, if you keep pursuing this nothing will come of this except extreme and prolonged bitterness on your part. I really think you need to be the big person by accepting that the world is cruel & unjust at times. Move on or it’ll eat you up (no pun intended).

If Ursies were to burn down tomorrow, guess who they’d blame?

icmn91 2:27 pm 08 Nov 12

HenryBG said :

icmn91 said :

Just so you all know, I have emailed Ursula Hall regarding my concerns about my gluten free needs being totally inadequately addressed and the head of hall has responded. I have touched on the matter here http://icmn91.hubpages.com/hub/Ursula-Hall-Gluten-Free-Email-Response and wonder what your thoughts are. Do you think s/he has provided an adequate response??

How about trying “personal responsibility” for a change?

Stop trying to make your problems other people’s responsibility and deal with them yourself.

If you have a peculiar dietary requirement, cater for yourself instead of requiring other people to do so – other people who have no understanding of your needs and not much reason to really care too much.

Of course then you can’t blame everybody else for your own failures.

I took as much personal responsibility that I felt I needed to take. Far more than most gluten-intolerant residents who would very frequently cheat on the gluten free diet or not even bother with the gluten free diet (even though it helped).

The affects of untreated gluten sensitivities are immense. When the lining of the small intestine is in the early phases of destruction there are often few or no symptoms present. This point cannot be stressed enough.

I never expected the hall to be able to accommodate a gluten free diet. This was why I called them in 2009 (the year before I intended to start studying at the ANU). Much to my surprise the lady on the phone at Ursies admin said there would not be any problems at all and that they had students right then and there who needed gluten free foods.

Had this happened back in the 1990s I would have been doubtful. However, the fact of the matter (as much as some people might wish we were still in the ’80s) is that there are now laws in the country to protect us.

Untreated gluten sensitivity and coeliac disease can cause a host of health problems (many of which cannot be reversed once triggered). Type 1 (insulin-dependent) diabetes, osteoporosis, poor bone density (increasing the risk of fractures and failure to heal from these fractures), malnutrition and also neurological problems can result from continual exposure to even small amounts of gluten.

I could not think clearly while I was at Ursula Hall. Whether this was entirely or partly due to gluten contamination is unknown.

I would not recommend Ursula Hall to anyone who is even slightly concerned about food safety matters. The kitchen staff were (in my opinion and from my experience) completely clueless as to what food safety meant.

The ANU disabled my student email account as well. Anyone know why?? 😕

HenryBG 10:24 am 02 Nov 12

icmn91 said :

Just so you all know, I have emailed Ursula Hall regarding my concerns about my gluten free needs being totally inadequately addressed and the head of hall has responded. I have touched on the matter here http://icmn91.hubpages.com/hub/Ursula-Hall-Gluten-Free-Email-Response and wonder what your thoughts are. Do you think s/he has provided an adequate response??

How about trying “personal responsibility” for a change?

Stop trying to make your problems other people’s responsibility and deal with them yourself.

If you have a peculiar dietary requirement, cater for yourself instead of requiring other people to do so – other people who have no understanding of your needs and not much reason to really care too much.

Of course then you can’t blame everybody else for your own failures.

Tetranitrate 10:07 am 02 Nov 12

c_c™ said :

Tetranitrate said :

c_c™ said :

Tetranitrate said :

I’ll also point out regarding UL that the general lack of supervision and community results in some rather undesirable things happening…

How some University students intend to live in the real world is beyond me.

Is that really all you have to say in response? a quote out of context and a petty insult?

Depends, are you really blaming Unilodge for fools taking drugs? Or more to the point denying that Johns has a reputation for the hard stuff?

I’m blaming unilodge for having zero pastoral care compared to the other colleges. I’m blaming unilodge for having no idea whats happening within their halls. It may have changed somewhat, but when I was there there was never an effective system of senior residents like the other colleges.
You may not understand this but pastoral care and to at least some extent keeping an ear to the ground is an important part of running a residential hall – they all advertise this as a rather key feature in fact.

If you’re running a residential hall and you have people there who are actually dealing drugs out of their rooms, you’re doing something wrong.
I already acknowledged drug use will always happens to some extent, so I think it’s fair to call you out for deliberate intellectual dishonesty for pretending otherwise.

PS: Johns has a reputation for binge drinking and unwanted sexual advances, stop making s*** up – you’ve never lived on residence and from the way you post I get the feeling you live your parents, if the extent of your knowledge and experience on the subject is once seeing the inside of a friends room at Unilodge you probably shouldn’t offer comment as though you know what you’re talking about.

icmn91 9:46 am 02 Nov 12

Just so you all know, I have emailed Ursula Hall regarding my concerns about my gluten free needs being totally inadequately addressed and the head of hall has responded. I have touched on the matter here http://icmn91.hubpages.com/hub/Ursula-Hall-Gluten-Free-Email-Response and wonder what your thoughts are. Do you think s/he has provided an adequate response??

Henry82 9:41 pm 30 Oct 12

icmn91 said :

Does that mean that John’s and Burgmann’s would do a better job at accommodating special diets (i.e. taking them seriously) than places like Ursies and Bruce?

I wouldn’t go to a catered college if you have a “special” diet. However, due to the large international crowd there is usually an alternative to beef if it’s being served.

I don’t want to start the argument on ‘which hall has the better food’, but my vote is for bruce, mainly on the basis of contractors & high college population.

icmn91 7:13 pm 30 Oct 12

Henry82 said :

icmn91 said :

Is this the case with all catered colleges at ANU or just Ursies?
What about Bruce? And the -affiliated colleges like Burgmann and Johns?

Bruce and Ursies are Sodexo, Johns and Burgmann have their own staff.

Because they’re only “affiliated” they can hire their own staff without having to pay university wages (i think the minimum wage is about $26/hr). The ANU owned colleges therefore use contractors to bypass the rule.

Does that mean that John’s and Burgmann’s would do a better job at accommodating special diets (i.e. taking them seriously) than places like Ursies and Bruce?

Still can’t get over how bad the kitchen staff at Ursula Hall were (especially the head chef).

Chop71 9:27 am 29 Oct 12

You will have the time of your life. (which ever college you stay at) 2 years at Johns taught me how to drink.
Run Inward Bound if you get the chance. I managed 8 of them and wish I could have done more.
Note – I was obviously at uni for quite a while and got asked back to run a couple.
Best year 1993 (Fenner’s 1st ever sporting trophy, we drank a pallet of beer over 4 months to celebrate)

pepmeup 12:32 am 29 Oct 12

If you own and wear wrangler jeans and a hand plated kangaroo leather RM Williams belt go to Johns, if you don’t go anywhere else

c_c™ 12:05 am 29 Oct 12

Tetranitrate said :

c_c™ said :

Tetranitrate said :

I’ll also point out regarding UL that the general lack of supervision and community results in some rather undesirable things happening…

How some University students intend to live in the real world is beyond me.

Is that really all you have to say in response? a quote out of context and a petty insult?

Depends, are you really blaming Unilodge for fools taking drugs? Or more to the point denying that Johns has a reputation for the hard stuff?

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