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Cycling: What Will Politicians Do?

Velocipator 2 October 2008 45

Canberra cycling group, Pedal Power, is holding a community forum for local candidates to tell the public how they will help cycling. Six times Tour De France entrant, Stephen Hodge, will MC the forum. Speakers will include representatives from ACT Labor, the Canberra Liberals and the ACT Greens. Everyone interested in cycling, Canberra and the community is invited to attend.

The forum will be at 7.30pm – 9.00pm on Tuesday 7 October, at the Johnson Auditorium in Pilgrim House (Corner of Northbourne Avenue and Rudd Street in Civic).

More information is on the Pedal Power website here


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Davo111 Davo111 2:23 am 07 Oct 08

I’ll assume that was sarcasm. 🙂

sepi sepi 11:00 pm 06 Oct 08

They could always have the footpath on one side of the road for cyclists, and the other side for walking.

ricketyclik ricketyclik 10:18 pm 06 Oct 08

Independent bike path along the corridor of the GDE/Caswell Drive ala M7 in Sydney please 🙂

Pandy Pandy 6:12 pm 04 Oct 08

@ ACT Light Rail

As I said, read the archives.

As for Jonathon, he raised the issue that Pedal Power is some sort of Labor Party stooge. And he has in this forumn constantly taking swipes at Labor and not the Libs. Got to do something that he sought preselection as a Liberal candidate for this coming election?

Velocipator Velocipator 6:41 pm 03 Oct 08

To the best of my knowledge, Pedal Power invited all candidates and sitting members to attend the forum.

Bungle Bungle 6:08 pm 03 Oct 08

Forget about cycle lanes on the roads. What we need is pedestrian lanes on the bike paths.

ACT Light Rail ACT Light Rail 5:57 pm 03 Oct 08

Pandy – ACT Light Rail never wrote any policy for the Liberal Party or Vicki Dunne. You are simply wrong, and are attempting to paint ACT Light Rail as some liberal stooge party.

We offered to work with them and assist them, back in 2004, but it was never a case of us writing the Liberal party policy.

ACT Light Rail will meet with any political party or candidate to work on better public transport policy. Thats what we are trying to do, by engaging in the political process.

Im not sure what you think you are achieving by this constant quite personal attack on members of ACT Light Rail or the group itself. Joining the yahoo group posing as a light rail fan to gather material to use to denounce light rail, is just umm bizarre. Your already flimsy claims start to make you look, well, like a crank. Lying to try and prove some partisan point just adds to this.

If you want to debate transport issues, thats another matter.

Jonathon Reynolds is his own man, and like all members of ACT Light Rail – which by the way has members from all parties running in the assembly election except for CAP and AMP – has interests which diverge from ACT light Rail and public transport lobbying. If he chooses to be a member of the flying banana party I dont see how this impacts upon the intellectual arguments he puts forward about light rail. Do you think the ALP members of ACT Light Rail care ? No – because on this issue there is a strong logical case for a better mass transit solution in the ACT and it needs a bi-partisan approach to achieve it.

regards

Damien Haas

Chair

ACT Light Rail

New Yeah New Yeah 5:17 pm 03 Oct 08

Kramer said :

Build technical mountain bike trails, also known as Northshore trails (the govt wouldn’t actually need to build them, so much as approve the construction of them, and get over the possible personal injury issues).

(This is my 3rd attempt at responding to this post, hopefully being on a different computer will do it)

I love north shore trails and wish Canberra was full of them. However, we don’t have the right trees for it. The north shore stuff evolved in BC Canada where long, straight pine trees are plentiful and are lying around waiting to be turned into teeter-totters and ewok-village style elevated trails that wind through the trees. Most of our pines burnt down and won’t be back for another 20 or so years.

Great idea, but the wrong resources are available. Gum trees don’t really do the trick. Still, I would love to see north shore trails happen in Canberra.

peterh peterh 4:28 pm 03 Oct 08

tylersmayhem said :

Hi Kramer – definitely improved and COMPLETE cycle lanes around Canberra, particularly on Belconnen Way & Ginnenderra Drive. Better, smoother surfaces on the lanes would be a bonus. If we could have better cycle lanes, we can get off the road that seems to be impossible for some motorists to share!

as i have mentioned earlier in this post, I don’t mind sharing these days, possibly after a mate gave me some counselling and guidance about complaining about cyclists – he reads, but doesn’t post, and i will behave.

What i do mind is that there is nothing separating the cyclist and the car /bus /truck on the road. perhaps a concrete barrier on the cycle lane for cyclists – so cars cannot undertake into the bike lane?

must have heaps left over from the V8 supercars days…

Horrid Horrid 4:28 pm 03 Oct 08

Re Post 5-
A quick look at the stats from the last election showed that the Equality party got about half of one percent of the vote- somewhat less than the Free Range Egg party. Seems that Pedal Power were simply not wasting people’s time with groups who had no chance of being elected. (BTW where is the Equality Party now?)And the announcements on the news this afternoon suggests they have extracted PLENTY ($7 Million) of good commitments from the Liberals.

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 4:13 pm 03 Oct 08

Hi Kramer – definitely improved and COMPLETE cycle lanes around Canberra, particularly on Belconnen Way & Ginnenderra Drive. Better, smoother surfaces on the lanes would be a bonus. If we could have better cycle lanes, we can get off the road that seems to be impossible for some motorists to share!

peterh peterh 3:32 pm 03 Oct 08

Kramer said :

So…. back to the topic of next week’s discussion: What would everyone like to see happen in Canberra with cycling???

My (particularly mountain bike biased) thoughts are:
More mountain bike trails, around Canberra, including within Canberra Nature Parks.
Create more cycle lanes throughout Canberra.
Create offroad trails for mountain bike commuting – dirtmute
Fix the cycle lane on Belconnen Way (particularly city bound, between Eastern Valley Way & Hayden drive).
Build a dirt jump park (it will cost virtually nothing and stop kids digging up reserves, and Canberra Nature Parks).
Build technical mountain bike trails, also known as Northshore trails (the govt wouldn’t actually need to build them, so much as approve the construction of them, and get over the possible personal injury issues).

there is a bmx park for the vikings club in tuggers, near the ambulance / fire brigade station on sulwood / ?? drive

kids get their safety kit on and belt around the course all the time.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 3:00 pm 03 Oct 08

Cheers for that Woody.

No worries – I had no idea how it would break down either until I looked (or that income from fines > registrations). However, the figures I gave are wrong!

The $26m is duty on registration and transfers. Revenue from registrations themselves is around $70m. So, put together rego, duty, fines etc and you’re getting much closer to the maintenance budget. No idea about the costs of building roads in the first place, though – can look around ore if people are interested.

As for federal grants – hard to say because there are so many Commonwealth government programs relating to roads. Historically, federal funding has made up around 20% of total roads expenditure, with State / Territory governments covering a further 40%. The balance is local government expenditure and money from the private sector. There’s very little discussion of roads in the part of the budget discussions intergovernmental finances.

Kramer Kramer 2:20 pm 03 Oct 08

So…. back to the topic of next week’s discussion: What would everyone like to see happen in Canberra with cycling???

My (particularly mountain bike biased) thoughts are:
More mountain bike trails, around Canberra, including within Canberra Nature Parks.
Create more cycle lanes throughout Canberra.
Create offroad trails for mountain bike commuting – dirtmute
Fix the cycle lane on Belconnen Way (particularly city bound, between Eastern Valley Way & Hayden drive).
Build a dirt jump park (it will cost virtually nothing and stop kids digging up reserves, and Canberra Nature Parks).
Build technical mountain bike trails, also known as Northshore trails (the govt wouldn’t actually need to build them, so much as approve the construction of them, and get over the possible personal injury issues).

peterh peterh 12:27 pm 03 Oct 08

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

don’t have the time to go digging around for statistics

Ooh, pick me.

From this year’s budget papers:

Expenditure on roads maintenance: $113.422m
Revenue from motor vehicle registrations and transfers: $26.359m

You could throw in traffic fines ($20m) and parking fines ($7m) and still not get close to the roads maintenance budget, let alone other roads infrastructure spending.

(Cue outrage about revenue raising speed cameras and b.stard parking inspectors in 3…2…)

for once, I am not going to bite. All I want is motorists, motorbike riders and cyclists to know first aid. as i drove home last night, mind in neutral at 11.45pm, after a particularly good sim challenge, I really haven’t had such a good laugh, thanks to granny, sleaze274 & skid, oh and mark parton – man is very funny, ahem. I found that there was a kangaroo on the parkway, not obeying the speed limit and in the right hand lane. I missed it, the guy behind me was a bit p1ssed about me cutting him off, till the roo jumped into the left hand lane.

I had to pull over, walk back to the crushed front end of the car behind me, and check that the guy was ok. (the roo, seemingly unscathed, had bounded away) he was pretty shaken up, but he assured me he was OK.

he decided to drive the car to Calvary ED, and get checked out. the roo had direct centre of the front of the car, and, after checking the radiator wasn’t stuffed, he got in, and drove towards calvary. I followed him to the ED, so that, if required, I could provide additional information.

about 2 km from calvary, he pulled into the carpark off the gde, near black mountain.
I took him to the ed, explained what i had witnessed, and left him there.

the reason i would like everyone to know first aid, is if I had not followed him towards the ED, and he had pulled over in shock, who would have found him?

don’t know what was wrong with him, hope he was ok.

as we all are sharing the roads, for whatever reason, we need to be able to help out when there is an accident. my fundamental dislike for cyclists on the roads stems from having to deal with accidents involving cyclists vs cars, buses and trucks. none of them are very pretty.

Danman Danman 12:19 pm 03 Oct 08

So much love in this thread.

I just think, that with everyone ranting about cyclists using the road (Which I do not) that perhaps there is little to no inspiration to use the alternatives due to their poor condition (in places, like Lyneham to Turner)

Apart from the crappy conditions, us canberrans are blessed with the best off road cycleways in Australia. I mean I can ride from Ngunnawal to Duffy and only have to cross about half a dozen major roads. How good is that….

Hopefully P/P can initiate/gather some kind of momentum in the direction of making the cyclepathes safer/more comfortable and get more people off major roads.

Here endeth my argument.

Jakez, peace….

jakez jakez 12:12 pm 03 Oct 08

Cheers for that Woody. I never said that registrations and transfers cover expenditure, I was just curious about the breakdown and what changes can be made. Do you know if the budget lists in the same place the amount in Federal Road grants?

Getting back to what originally brought me to this topic, does anyone from Pedal Power/ any non-participating candidates have anything to say about who Pedal Power did and did not invite to this event?

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 11:57 am 03 Oct 08

don’t have the time to go digging around for statistics

Ooh, pick me.

From this year’s budget papers:

Expenditure on roads maintenance: $113.422m
Revenue from motor vehicle registrations and transfers: $26.359m

You could throw in traffic fines ($20m) and parking fines ($7m) and still not get close to the roads maintenance budget, let alone other roads infrastructure spending.

(Cue outrage about revenue raising speed cameras and b.stard parking inspectors in 3…2…)

jakez jakez 11:54 am 03 Oct 08

That’s cool mate if you don’t have the info. I agree that roads are not covered solely by licensing and registration, I’m just curious about the breakdown now. I’ll go have a look some time and see if I can figure out the breakdown (have to consider Federal Grants as well which muddies things)

Danman Danman 11:36 am 03 Oct 08

(Should read) is NOT covered solely by licensing and registration

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