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Data Centre for Dead People

By che 30 December 2008 40

The Canberra Times has this article on the CM asking for community advice on whether they’re happy to have a cemetery and crematorium on the site of the previously proposed data centre.

Will the NIMBY’s come out again saying they don’t want dead peoples ashes all over their washing? Is Stanhope actually going to listen to what comes out? Is this just a tricky way of getting a gas fueled power station at the site (for the crematorium)? Or will he just give up and let the Greens have a nature reserve?

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deezagood 7:39 pm 02 Jan 09

54-11 said :

I see deano, bd84 and VicePope hopping on their anti-nimby bandwagon again. They seem to have already forgotten that the points raised by the residents were fully vindicated by an independent, in-depth report by the Auditor-General.

Is there something these anti-nimbies don’t understand about democratic rights to oppose badly thought out proposals? Do they have a lack of ability to rationally analyse such stupidity by this stupid govt?

Yes – they do (have a lack of ability to rationally …..) – and how blissfully lovely it must be for them to have such sheer, unadulterated faith in whatever the town council – whoops, correction, ACT government decides to do …. they really are good, faithful, blindly obedient little citizens! Gosh I envy their trusting natures.

deezagood 7:34 pm 02 Jan 09

Deano said :

54-11 said :

I see deano, bd84 and VicePope hopping on their anti-nimby bandwagon again. They seem to have already forgotten that the points raised by the residents were fully vindicated by an independent, in-depth report by the Auditor-General.

Of course you are totally ignoring the EIS which found no adverse impact would eventuate from the development. My issue wasn’t with how the government (badly) handled the development application, its with the Nimbys who selectively misrepresented the facts for their own benefit over the greater benefit to the community. Its called adding some balance.

Besides, living next to a crematorium might have its benefits: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/12/green-funeral-heat-recycling-from-crematorium.php

Your memory is highly selective Deano. As I recall, you originally abused the crap out of the anti-power station crowd (primarily moi) for not trusting the government’s due process … and I think the validity of the community concerns regarding that process have been well and truly vindicated. And remember that there WAS no EIS until residents/concerned community members pushed and pushed for one. And regarding your comment about the ‘greater good of the community’ – oh please Deano explain the ‘greater community good’ of placing the privately owned data centre and power station 600 metres away from homes (as opposed to being sited in an appropriately zoned industrial area)? Nobody else, including the consortium proponants have been able to, so I’m all f’ing ears.

Deano 1:32 pm 02 Jan 09

deezagood said :

Good reality check Vicepope; in the bigger scheme of things, I guess the burning bodies are much better than paedophiles…

Well, the old Macarthur preschool building is in need of a new purpose….

Deano 1:25 pm 02 Jan 09

54-11 said :

I see deano, bd84 and VicePope hopping on their anti-nimby bandwagon again. They seem to have already forgotten that the points raised by the residents were fully vindicated by an independent, in-depth report by the Auditor-General.

Of course you are totally ignoring the EIS which found no adverse impact would eventuate from the development. My issue wasn’t with how the government (badly) handled the development application, its with the Nimbys who selectively misrepresented the facts for their own benefit over the greater benefit to the community. Its called adding some balance.

Besides, living next to a crematorium might have its benefits: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/12/green-funeral-heat-recycling-from-crematorium.php

sepi 3:16 pm 01 Jan 09

Also funny how these people willingly criticise the govt all the time, except when the community is against the govt, then they come out in full support of whatever hair-brained scheme is being pushed through.

54-11 2:40 pm 01 Jan 09

I see deano, bd84 and VicePope hopping on their anti-nimby bandwagon again. They seem to have already forgotten that the points raised by the residents were fully vindicated by an independent, in-depth report by the Auditor-General.

Is there something these anti-nimbies don’t understand about democratic rights to oppose badly thought out proposals? Do they have a lack of ability to rationally analyse such stupidity by this stupid govt?

monomania 1:29 pm 01 Jan 09

Having given considerable thought to the ideas and objections in this post, I can see only one solution. A solar body charer. The char, containing all body chemicals except water, after grinding, could then be dug in around the families sponsored tree or trees at the arboretum* and marked either with a plaque or by carving the dead person’s name into the bark. Politicians will vie to have such an environmentally sensitive solution as the CharACT facility placed in their electorate probably on a defunct school site.

* pinched the arboretum site idea from CT.

astrojax 11:36 am 01 Jan 09

i think lenient was being ‘soylenient’ and referencing the thankfully dead charlton heston’s line in the brilliant sci-fi classic, ‘soylent green’ [http://unlikelystories.org/schneider0107.shtml]

does that make ‘a day on the green’ a bit macabre?

Mr Evil 11:17 am 01 Jan 09

Lenient said :

EnergyGreen is made out of people. As is DataGreen.

So, how much energy does a stiff create?

deezagood 11:14 pm 31 Dec 08

miz said :

And a resounding ‘no’ to a crematorium. Who wants one over their back fence? A peaceful park-like cemetery, like Woden, is one thing. But a gas fired crematorium smoke stack is just not on. Surely there are places away from residents they could use? What is Stanhope’s problem???

I suggest now is the time for the Libs and Greens to club together to get that small parcel of broadacre land rezoned as reserve (adjacent as it is to Reserve. In fact I thought it Was Reserve land until this whole catastrophe) to stop Stanhope continually picking at it like a grubby kid keeps picking at a scab.

I also can’t believe the cynical timing. What a b@st@rd.

Yes Miz ….. Yeeessss!!!

JC 9:40 pm 31 Dec 08

miz said :

And a resounding ‘no’ to a crematorium. Who wants one over their back fence? A peaceful park-like cemetery, like Woden, is one thing. But a gas fired crematorium smoke stack is just not on. Surely there are places away from residents they could use? What is Stanhope’s problem???

I suggest now is the time for the Libs and Greens to club together to get that small parcel of broadacre land rezoned as reserve (adjacent as it is to Reserve. In fact I thought it Was Reserve land until this whole catastrophe) to stop Stanhope continually picking at it like a grubby kid keeps picking at a scab.

I also can’t believe the cynical timing. What a b@st@rd.

Oddly he already has a crematorium closer to his back yard then this would be to people in Mcauthur (with no plans to close this facility).

Also these days crematoriums have pretty good filtering of their smoke, so it would have no more adverse impact than a dozen or so homes with gas heaters.

SheepGroper 8:26 pm 31 Dec 08

Deano said :

Seriously though, from the nimby comments in the paper it would appear that the complainant’s biggest concern is actually the loss of the horse agistment within walking distance from their houses.

I thought the main point was the existing scarcity of horse agistment in Canberra, not just those in walking distance would be affected. If there’s another site that would do the job of power plant/zombie farm just as well why not site it there?

Thumper 6:39 pm 31 Dec 08

Journalistic ethics? In Canberra? The place where the national newspaper lifts stuff off a blof like, well, um, RiotACT, and parades it as their own front page story?

And not to mention the amazingly cosy relationship that Stanhope seems to have with the luvies at the CT and ABC in this town.

Lenient 6:03 pm 31 Dec 08

EnergyGreen is made out of people. As is DataGreen.

miz 1:50 pm 31 Dec 08

And a resounding ‘no’ to a crematorium. Who wants one over their back fence? A peaceful park-like cemetery, like Woden, is one thing. But a gas fired crematorium smoke stack is just not on. Surely there are places away from residents they could use? What is Stanhope’s problem???

I suggest now is the time for the Libs and Greens to club together to get that small parcel of broadacre land rezoned as reserve (adjacent as it is to Reserve. In fact I thought it Was Reserve land until this whole catastrophe) to stop Stanhope continually picking at it like a grubby kid keeps picking at a scab.

I also can’t believe the cynical timing. What a b@st@rd.

miz 1:35 pm 31 Dec 08

‘Data centre’ = smokescreen/greenwash term for the power station proposal. The data centre was simply the pretext for getting the power station up. And of course, no one cares about dear old benign data centres – there are plenty in the ACT – but a co-located power station is another story. I wish the media (eg CT, ABC News) would stop referring to the project as a ‘data centre’, as this is evasive and untruthful. I would have hoped journalistic ethics had kicked in by now.

Holden Caulfield 9:28 am 31 Dec 08

Can someone please explain why a power station is called a data centre?

JC 8:19 am 31 Dec 08

Pandy the values in Phillip are already lower as a result. I was joking BTW, but wait for it from them though, everything effects property values these days. If not property values some strange animal will turn up like a toungless lizard or dickless dragon.

Pandy 11:29 pm 30 Dec 08

@JC Mmmmm the people of Phillip?

deezagood 10:17 pm 30 Dec 08

VicePope said :

Imagine the sign …. “Macarthur: Home of the Data Centre, Power Station, Cemetery, Crematorium, Morgue, Foul Waste Disposal Area, Paedophile Rehabilitation Centre….”. Then move Summernats to Macarthur.

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Good reality check Vicepope; in the bigger scheme of things, I guess the burning bodies are much better than paedophiles…

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