30 December 2008

Data Centre for Dead People

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The Canberra Times has this article on the CM asking for community advice on whether they’re happy to have a cemetery and crematorium on the site of the previously proposed data centre.

Will the NIMBY’s come out again saying they don’t want dead peoples ashes all over their washing? Is Stanhope actually going to listen to what comes out? Is this just a tricky way of getting a gas fueled power station at the site (for the crematorium)? Or will he just give up and let the Greens have a nature reserve?

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54-11 said :

I see deano, bd84 and VicePope hopping on their anti-nimby bandwagon again. They seem to have already forgotten that the points raised by the residents were fully vindicated by an independent, in-depth report by the Auditor-General.

Is there something these anti-nimbies don’t understand about democratic rights to oppose badly thought out proposals? Do they have a lack of ability to rationally analyse such stupidity by this stupid govt?

Yes – they do (have a lack of ability to rationally …..) – and how blissfully lovely it must be for them to have such sheer, unadulterated faith in whatever the town council – whoops, correction, ACT government decides to do …. they really are good, faithful, blindly obedient little citizens! Gosh I envy their trusting natures.

Deano said :

54-11 said :

I see deano, bd84 and VicePope hopping on their anti-nimby bandwagon again. They seem to have already forgotten that the points raised by the residents were fully vindicated by an independent, in-depth report by the Auditor-General.

Of course you are totally ignoring the EIS which found no adverse impact would eventuate from the development. My issue wasn’t with how the government (badly) handled the development application, its with the Nimbys who selectively misrepresented the facts for their own benefit over the greater benefit to the community. Its called adding some balance.

Besides, living next to a crematorium might have its benefits: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/12/green-funeral-heat-recycling-from-crematorium.php

Your memory is highly selective Deano. As I recall, you originally abused the crap out of the anti-power station crowd (primarily moi) for not trusting the government’s due process … and I think the validity of the community concerns regarding that process have been well and truly vindicated. And remember that there WAS no EIS until residents/concerned community members pushed and pushed for one. And regarding your comment about the ‘greater good of the community’ – oh please Deano explain the ‘greater community good’ of placing the privately owned data centre and power station 600 metres away from homes (as opposed to being sited in an appropriately zoned industrial area)? Nobody else, including the consortium proponants have been able to, so I’m all f’ing ears.

deezagood said :

Good reality check Vicepope; in the bigger scheme of things, I guess the burning bodies are much better than paedophiles…

Well, the old Macarthur preschool building is in need of a new purpose….

54-11 said :

I see deano, bd84 and VicePope hopping on their anti-nimby bandwagon again. They seem to have already forgotten that the points raised by the residents were fully vindicated by an independent, in-depth report by the Auditor-General.

Of course you are totally ignoring the EIS which found no adverse impact would eventuate from the development. My issue wasn’t with how the government (badly) handled the development application, its with the Nimbys who selectively misrepresented the facts for their own benefit over the greater benefit to the community. Its called adding some balance.

Besides, living next to a crematorium might have its benefits: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/12/green-funeral-heat-recycling-from-crematorium.php

Also funny how these people willingly criticise the govt all the time, except when the community is against the govt, then they come out in full support of whatever hair-brained scheme is being pushed through.

I see deano, bd84 and VicePope hopping on their anti-nimby bandwagon again. They seem to have already forgotten that the points raised by the residents were fully vindicated by an independent, in-depth report by the Auditor-General.

Is there something these anti-nimbies don’t understand about democratic rights to oppose badly thought out proposals? Do they have a lack of ability to rationally analyse such stupidity by this stupid govt?

Having given considerable thought to the ideas and objections in this post, I can see only one solution. A solar body charer. The char, containing all body chemicals except water, after grinding, could then be dug in around the families sponsored tree or trees at the arboretum* and marked either with a plaque or by carving the dead person’s name into the bark. Politicians will vie to have such an environmentally sensitive solution as the CharACT facility placed in their electorate probably on a defunct school site.

* pinched the arboretum site idea from CT.

i think lenient was being ‘soylenient’ and referencing the thankfully dead charlton heston’s line in the brilliant sci-fi classic, ‘soylent green’ [http://unlikelystories.org/schneider0107.shtml]

does that make ‘a day on the green’ a bit macabre?

Lenient said :

EnergyGreen is made out of people. As is DataGreen.

So, how much energy does a stiff create?

miz said :

And a resounding ‘no’ to a crematorium. Who wants one over their back fence? A peaceful park-like cemetery, like Woden, is one thing. But a gas fired crematorium smoke stack is just not on. Surely there are places away from residents they could use? What is Stanhope’s problem???

I suggest now is the time for the Libs and Greens to club together to get that small parcel of broadacre land rezoned as reserve (adjacent as it is to Reserve. In fact I thought it Was Reserve land until this whole catastrophe) to stop Stanhope continually picking at it like a grubby kid keeps picking at a scab.

I also can’t believe the cynical timing. What a b@st@rd.

Yes Miz ….. Yeeessss!!!

miz said :

And a resounding ‘no’ to a crematorium. Who wants one over their back fence? A peaceful park-like cemetery, like Woden, is one thing. But a gas fired crematorium smoke stack is just not on. Surely there are places away from residents they could use? What is Stanhope’s problem???

I suggest now is the time for the Libs and Greens to club together to get that small parcel of broadacre land rezoned as reserve (adjacent as it is to Reserve. In fact I thought it Was Reserve land until this whole catastrophe) to stop Stanhope continually picking at it like a grubby kid keeps picking at a scab.

I also can’t believe the cynical timing. What a b@st@rd.

Oddly he already has a crematorium closer to his back yard then this would be to people in Mcauthur (with no plans to close this facility).

Also these days crematoriums have pretty good filtering of their smoke, so it would have no more adverse impact than a dozen or so homes with gas heaters.

Deano said :

Seriously though, from the nimby comments in the paper it would appear that the complainant’s biggest concern is actually the loss of the horse agistment within walking distance from their houses.

I thought the main point was the existing scarcity of horse agistment in Canberra, not just those in walking distance would be affected. If there’s another site that would do the job of power plant/zombie farm just as well why not site it there?

Journalistic ethics? In Canberra? The place where the national newspaper lifts stuff off a blof like, well, um, RiotACT, and parades it as their own front page story?

And not to mention the amazingly cosy relationship that Stanhope seems to have with the luvies at the CT and ABC in this town.

EnergyGreen is made out of people. As is DataGreen.

And a resounding ‘no’ to a crematorium. Who wants one over their back fence? A peaceful park-like cemetery, like Woden, is one thing. But a gas fired crematorium smoke stack is just not on. Surely there are places away from residents they could use? What is Stanhope’s problem???

I suggest now is the time for the Libs and Greens to club together to get that small parcel of broadacre land rezoned as reserve (adjacent as it is to Reserve. In fact I thought it Was Reserve land until this whole catastrophe) to stop Stanhope continually picking at it like a grubby kid keeps picking at a scab.

I also can’t believe the cynical timing. What a b@st@rd.

‘Data centre’ = smokescreen/greenwash term for the power station proposal. The data centre was simply the pretext for getting the power station up. And of course, no one cares about dear old benign data centres – there are plenty in the ACT – but a co-located power station is another story. I wish the media (eg CT, ABC News) would stop referring to the project as a ‘data centre’, as this is evasive and untruthful. I would have hoped journalistic ethics had kicked in by now.

Holden Caulfield9:28 am 31 Dec 08

Can someone please explain why a power station is called a data centre?

Pandy the values in Phillip are already lower as a result. I was joking BTW, but wait for it from them though, everything effects property values these days. If not property values some strange animal will turn up like a toungless lizard or dickless dragon.

@JC Mmmmm the people of Phillip?

Imagine the sign …. “Macarthur: Home of the Data Centre, Power Station, Cemetery, Crematorium, Morgue, Foul Waste Disposal Area, Paedophile Rehabilitation Centre….”. Then move Summernats to Macarthur.

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Good reality check Vicepope; in the bigger scheme of things, I guess the burning bodies are much better than paedophiles…

I knew that our good Mr Stanhope wouldn’t take this data centre ‘defeat’ lying down, and wondered what evil plan he might hatch to smite those dastedly MaCarthians who dared lay foul to his cunning plans to build a power station in their midst. God bless you John – you haven’t disappointed! I thought maybe a pig farm or animal testing facility … but burning bodies – well done Mr Stanhope!!! Honestly – he is an absolute genious and he obviously holds Canberra by the throat. I respect that.

bd84 said :

But now since Macarthur residents have run out of things to complain about they need to try and complain about a project that will have absolutely no effect on their houses or lives (unless they need somewhere to be buried of course). Nobody really cares about some horses either, in fact they probably do more damage to the enviroment than having a cemetery on the site.

What are you talking about? Of course it will have an effect on their lives, their property values will fall, afterall who would want to live next door to a cemetery?

Wait…you _type_ with an accent??

barking toad6:52 pm 30 Dec 08

More like Charnwood

winning star6:09 pm 30 Dec 08

It’s an Italian accent.

Cheers.

barking toad4:57 pm 30 Dec 08

Yet you are compelled to comment – I’ll loan you an “is”

winning star4:44 pm 30 Dec 08

This nothing new at all.
Boring.

The new slogan for numberplates on ACT cars should be Canberra: the NIMBY Capital. People in Canberra jump on the NIMBY bandwagon faster than stopping a criminal robbing an old lady of her purse. Hell, people formed a NIMBY group against a development of houses near my place on some land that hasn’t even been sold yet nor any plans or development applications being created!

Given that the powerstation probably wasn’t in the most ideal location, I didn’t really care either way. The proposal for a cemetery and crematorium on that site IS NOT NEW, it dates back to about 2003-04 when the need for a new cemetery in canberra was identified, seeing the two cemeteries in Canberra will run out of room in the not too distant future (not counting hall as it’s too small to bother about).

The site of the powerstation was the intended site for the cemetery (slightly different boundaries because they changed them for the powerstation) and I’m guessing the guys weren’t too happy when the government gave the land away. But now since Macarthur residents have run out of things to complain about they need to try and complain about a project that will have absolutely no effect on their houses or lives (unless they need somewhere to be buried of course). Nobody really cares about some horses either, in fact they probably do more damage to the enviroment than having a cemetery on the site.

barking toad3:15 pm 30 Dec 08

#4 Pandy – the sad one’s new facility that, despite an opening ceremony, can’t be opened.

Also dodgy to promise better consultation then to announce something between Xmas and NY – the traditional time for sneaking unpopular stuff through.

Altho the media is desperate for news at this time, so also a good time to get stuff published.

Pandy – I’d prefer the ambulatory deceased to the Prattster and his hysterical acolytes.

This just smacks of Stanhope’s arrogance. He likes to get his own way. He did the same thing about water2WATER. When his expert health panel said sewerage recycling was dodgy he decided that Actew would plan to built one anyway, demonstration purposes only mind you. I don’t know why he doesn’t go gracefully.

But will you be accosted by zombies?

Imagine the sign …. “Macarthur: Home of the Data Centre, Power Station, Cemetery, Crematorium, Morgue, Foul Waste Disposal Area, Paedophile Rehabilitation Centre….”. Then move Summernats to Macarthur.

Seriously, the best thing about this one is that,at least this time, I won’t be accosted by Stee Pratt (remember him?) down at the shops, trying to whip up nimby hysteria.

Mr Evil said :

How about a cemetery AND a Data Centre together?

They wouldn’t have any problem finding staff for the graveyard shift then.

At least the NIMBY’s won’t be able to complain about the noise this time.

Seriously though, from the nimby comments in the paper it would appear that the complainant’s biggest concern is actually the loss of the horse agistment within walking distance from their houses. They are prepared to argue against the greater good to the community in order to maintain this personal privilege. I’d also point out that horse agistment does not equal nature reserve.

Jonathon Reynolds1:49 pm 30 Dec 08

The original concept of a Cemetery and Remembrance garden reared its head around the time that the then minister for Territorial and Municipal Services was charged with a drink driving offence. This was floated to the wider community via the Tuggeranong Community Council (but as far as I am aware it was not the block that was proposed for the power station, more a concept of something in that general area). Unfortunately due to the distinct lack of media coverage in this town it didnt get much of an airing at the time.

The rationale was that there was no south side cemetery option and Woden was nearing capacity. The crematorium portion of the proposal was supposedly to make the whole project financially viable. I understand that the collocated crematoria was never supported by the TCC and they have consistently argued that the two facilities do not need to be physically together (the government desire to physically collocate something to do with gas facilities sounds like a similar sort of story we heard before about data centres and power-stations… do we see a pattern emerging?)

It will be interesting to see how the local community reacts: the proposed block is currently being used for Horse adgistment and I can’t perceive any less reaction from the local residents at the thought of burnt cadaver particulates to go with the NO emissions in the air they breath. At least the crematorium in Gungahlin (Mitchell) is a decent distance away from current and any proposed housing (and the Mitchell facility was there before the housing).

What? AMC motel? What are you saying?

barking toad1:30 pm 30 Dec 08

Nice one centurion Evil!

Perhaps the mayor has a sense of humour after all. Offering the NIMBYs a crematorium with a smoke stack belching ashes to ashes instead of the data centre.

Or is it a kite to attract headlines and outrage to obscure the ineptness of simon the sad and his AMC motel? And to distract people from asking the obvious question of the mayor about his real knowledge of what the sad one has ‘fessed up to?

How about a cemetery AND a Data Centre together?

Then the Data Centre could be run off the methane released by the decomposing bodies in the cemetery????

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