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Decapitated joey

By crappicker 30 May 2012 108

headless joey

I have not seen many kangaroos lately on my early morning walks in the Wanniassa Hills Reserve. It is closed for the cull, …bugger them. This morning there were none. Instead the crows had gathered just above the pond south of Long Gully Road. There were many car tracks. Nearby, the body of a young kangaroo, about a meter stretched. Decapitated.

Walking between the kangaroos is one of the joys of my walks. I have trained my German Shepherd to respect them and the kangaroos know, so we can pass close.

I guess the same happened when the utes moved in for the kill.

Truly disgusting!


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Watson 10:48 am 06 Jun 12

Code of conduct: http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/wildlife-trade/publications/kangaroo/pubs/code-of-conduct-non-commercial.pdf

As a guess, a joey of that size should’ve been killed with a bullet to the head. Though it’s hard to tell from that photo. Maybe it was small enough to kill with a blow to the back of the head. Either way, I fail to see how decapitation would contravene the code.

The only cases of contravening the code that could possibly be proven by examining dead bodies is if there was only one bullet wound that would’ve logically only caused injury, not death. Or joeys starved to death, but you would have trouble proving that that was a direct result of the cull.

poorhatsoap 10:36 am 06 Jun 12

crappicker said :

Poorhatsoap, my friend, may I suggest that you lift yourself mentally above that bar of soap, take a good look beyond your mad hat, …and bingo, you may well discover that the earth is not really all that flat afterall. Once you have advanced to that state of mind, you may be ripe to apply Occam’s Razor in interpreting the observations herebefore presented against the code of practice for kangaroo culling.

You’ve gone and picked up the crack pipe again. Oh dear.

chewy14 10:29 am 06 Jun 12

crappicker said :

Poorhatsoap, my friend, may I suggest that you lift yourself mentally above that bar of soap, take a good look beyond your mad hat, …and bingo, you may well discover that the earth is not really all that flat afterall. Once you have advanced to that state of mind, you may be ripe to apply Occam’s Razor in interpreting the observations herebefore presented against the code of practice for kangaroo culling.

Oh that’ll do me, you’re an absolute lunatic.

If you applied Occam’s Razor to this situation the exact opposite of what you’re saying is far more likely to be true.

You’ve made multiple assumptions in all of your posts, with zero evidence other than one dead young kangaroo and managed to concoct some story of unknown kangaroo cullers driving through these reserves committing acts of animal cruelty against joeys.
With the evidence of animal activists digging up kangaroo corpses and cutting holes in predator fences in the last week, your story becomes even less likely.

Either you’re trolling or you need to get help.

Watson 10:23 am 06 Jun 12

crappicker said :

Poorhatsoap, my friend, may I suggest that you lift yourself mentally above that bar of soap, take a good look beyond your mad hat, …and bingo, you may well discover that the earth is not really all that flat afterall. Once you have advanced to that state of mind, you may be ripe to apply Occam’s Razor in interpreting the observations herebefore presented against the code of practice for kangaroo culling.

Ah, so you are not against the cull as such, but mainly against contraventions of the code of practice? Why didn’t you say so in the first place?!

The way I would’ve brought that to attention though would’ve been to quote the relevant sections of the code and then list the details of the contraventions. Actually, the way I would’ve gone about is to negotiate with TAMS and the RSPCA to allow observers to ensure the code of practice is followed correctly before the cull. Though I thought the RSPCA already did this, but I could be wrong.

I just don’t get what you think to achieve by posting meaningless photos meant to shock people or cutting fences and putting an endangered species at risk, wasting government money that could’ve been put to good use by people who are thinking of long term alternative solutions, etc.

So good on you for wanting to make a difference, but unless you are going to put your money where your mouth is and work methodically towards the outcomes you want to achieve in a sensible manner, you are totally wasting our time. I tell my 7yo all the time that good intentions mean very little in this world.

crappicker 11:39 pm 05 Jun 12

Poorhatsoap, my friend, may I suggest that you lift yourself mentally above that bar of soap, take a good look beyond your mad hat, …and bingo, you may well discover that the earth is not really all that flat afterall. Once you have advanced to that state of mind, you may be ripe to apply Occam’s Razor in interpreting the observations herebefore presented against the code of practice for kangaroo culling.

poorhatsoap 6:32 pm 05 Jun 12

crappicker said :

Poorhatsoap, there is hard, pictural, evidence that a cull occurred where I happened to find the decapitated young kangaroo.

Crappicker, I’m not debating whether or not a cull occurred at the location, I’m disputing your claim that it was illegal, cruel killing. As far as I’m aware, there is nothing illegal about the government sanctioned cull.

Applying labels such as illegal and cruel only makes you seem like you’re a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

HenryBG 5:17 pm 05 Jun 12

crappicker said :

Poorhatsoap, there is hard, pictural, evidence that a cull occurred where I happened to find the decapitated young kangaroo.

Yes, and we’ve been saying SF-WHAT? for days now.

Animals kill other animals. People kill animals. Animals kill people. It’s normal, and only freaks get their knockers in a twist about it.

If they want to find out who’s digging up the bodies and destroying Parks fencing, I’m sure a shortlist of candidates is quickly determined:
First, one wing of the professional (welfare-funded) troublemakers:
http://www.aapone.com.au/Search.aspx?search=%22KANGAROO+CULL+PROTEST+CANBERRA%22&viewtype=Grid

Then there are the hysterics, obviously far more potentially dangerous than the above layabouts:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/actors-show-for-roo-cull/story-e6freuzr-1111116395427

And there’s Carolyn Drew who forewarned the media of some of their shenanigans:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/activists-ready-to-disrupt-cull-of-2000-roos-20120521-1yzv3.html

She admits she knows who the sick fcks are who’ve been digging up the dead kangaroos:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/activists-claim-roo-culling-cruelty-20120603-1zqfx.html

I’d say ASIO should be onto these people bigtime: they represent a great potential risk as they are obviously unstable and over-emotional as well as active and breaking the law.

Diggety 5:12 pm 05 Jun 12

crappicker said :

Poorhatsoap, there is hard, pictural, evidence that a cull occurred where I happened to find the decapitated young kangaroo.

We know. You dug it up, removed the head and took the photos.

You’re insane, go join the Greens.

Antagonist 4:52 pm 05 Jun 12

crappicker said :

Poorhatsoap, there is hard, pictural, evidence that a cull occurred where I happened to find the decapitated young kangaroo.

1. I think the word you are looking for is ‘pictorial’.
2. Your foil hat has stopped working. The shiny side is supposed to go on the OUTSIDE.

crappicker 4:40 pm 05 Jun 12

Poorhatsoap, there is hard, pictural, evidence that a cull occurred where I happened to find the decapitated young kangaroo.

poorhatsoap 4:10 pm 05 Jun 12

crappicker said :

Thanks Watson for your advice, but it is misplaced. It is the evidence for illegal, cruel, killing that is emerging, from my own serendipitous observation and from Animal Liberation’s. Such practices should not happen by any means. May be you can live with it, but I do not want it to happen to kangaroos… and certainly not to our kangaroos!

How ’bout you lay down the crack pipe for a minute and provide this so-called “evidence” for illegal, cruel killing? The not-quite-joey picture that you’ve tried to use to tug at heart strings is evidence for nothing more than an animal carcass that proves nothing about how it ended up in this condition. Your claims of blood puddles also sound far fetched – unless you happen to be a forensic scientist and have proved beyond any doubt that the puddles were blood. I’m surprised that in your “serendipitous observation” you were able to locate such substantial puddles of blood before they were absorbed into the ground yet, but didn’t see anything or anyone else worth providing as evidence.

On second thoughts, pick the crack pipe up again and bugger off.

crappicker 3:21 pm 05 Jun 12

Thanks Watson for your advice, but it is misplaced. It is the evidence for illegal, cruel, killing that is emerging, from my own serendipitous observation and from Animal Liberation’s. Such practices should not happen by any means. May be you can live with it, but I do not want it to happen to kangaroos… and certainly not to our kangaroos!

Watson 2:17 pm 05 Jun 12

crappicker said :

Now that this post is running to an end it is time for some reflections.

The many car tracks and blood puddles evidence a kangaroo slaughter in the northeastern part of the Wanniassa Hills Reserve.

The decapitated young kangaroo is clearly linked to this slaughter.

The government may say that their mercenaries can shoot straight but TAMS does not. Their TAMSMediaRoom comment and Daniel Iglesias’ performance in yesterday’s Canberra Times are just spin doctoring.

I have failed in calling crap what is crap, in entering a discussion on plausible denial. As a crappicker I still have to learn the ropes, or should I say the cables?

If I want to change archaic and barbaric customs I have to go for direct action. This week I have become a member of Voiceless and of the Wildlife Protection Association of Australia, will do so for the Australian Society for Kangaroos, and have offered my assistance to Animal Liberation for surveillance action. My old bones still will do in jumping a fence.

I will look further into those drones.

Not anywhere near the end…

You do realise that the same TAMS department you are going to fight now you have joined the guerilla troops, is the department that is working on a solution involving contraception for roos? Did you not watch the Kangaroo Mob doco?

The more damage those environmental extremists cause, the less funding for programs to research and implement alternative solutions to culling.

You clearly want to feel like an action hero. But don’t kid yourself into thinking that you are actually helping these roos. If you achieve anything at all, it will be most likely something that hinders any viable longer term solution.

KB1971 12:32 pm 05 Jun 12

The roos are better off shot that run over. I have seen more roos wounded & left by the road to die a slow death than quickly by someone with a rifle.

I have had to dispatch roos on a few occasions, usually with the back of my axe that used to live in my 4WD, when someone has hit them & just driven off. THAT is more of a travesty than someone shooting them stone cold dead.

Buildermick 11:25 am 05 Jun 12

My proffesional oppinion is the ACT government should simply subsidise Canberra residents purchasing bullbars, ensuring the kangaroos culled are the ones infringing onto roadways and the ones that are unable to hop more than 10km from the nature parks can stay up there.
I for one think about my rates dropping courtesy of a reduced need for culling everytime I collect a kangaroo with my shiny steel ARB barwork on my ute.

poorhatsoap 10:14 pm 04 Jun 12

CapitalK said :

HenryBG said :

CapitalK said :

HenryBG said :

JazzyJess said :

How awful. Imagine if a little child out walking with their parents came across that. There has got to be a better solution to culling.

I think a child’s response would be informed by whatever hysteria its parent chose to display.
*Your* response to the sight of a dead animal has the potential to be far more stressful to your child than the sight itself. You should tailor your behaviour accordingly.

Death is a very normal part of nature. It’s those who spend virtually no time in nature who get so upset about the sight of a dead animal.

We did pass a similar scene walking from Gungahlin to Evatt recently with 5yo and 2yo, it was quite disturbing but we just pushed the pram quickly and told the 5yo to keep looking ahead. All good, still not nice to see.

We did however go onto the TAMS webiste and report it and a ranger phoned my husband the next day to collect it

Personally, my approach to dead animals is to teach the children to dig a hole and bury it. You don’t need to encourage foxes or flies by leaving it there.

With what would we dig the hole and bury it? our hands? the pram? It was nearing dark and freezing cold..please keep your helpful comments to yourself.

So let me get this straight. You were walking from Gungahlin to Evatt, a walk of approx. 7km and at best probably 1 and a 1/2 hours walk, with a 5 and 2 year old, near dark in the freezing cold and your biggest concern was whether your children happened to glance upon an animal carcass?

MissChief 9:43 pm 04 Jun 12

WildTurkey,
Yes, that is where I was coming from and yes, it was a joke based on the irony of the other story. Sorry about your friend, that is most unfortunate.

Henry,
*sigh* You are of course right about everything you say.

wildturkeycanoe 9:25 pm 04 Jun 12

MissChief said :

Henry, I could laugh at your comments if they weren’t so sad. Yes, there might be millions of kangaroos in Australia but our local kangaroos are much less in number. Until recently, not much was known about Kangaroo populations and habits but they now know that kangaroo mobs don’t venture more than about 10 klms from their local area. That makes each mob unique and special in their linage for particular regions. If they kill all the kangaroos in places like Wanniassa Hills, we cannot expect another mob just to turn up.

Where is the evidence that kangaroo mobs don’t venture more than 10km from the local area. If it is from the GPS tracking study done here in the A.C.T, then of course that makes sense. The roos cannot escape their little oasis because of the major arterial roads in the way…yes I looked it up and you can see them wandering around the Bruce Stadium area with nowhere to go. It’s like saying goldfish have a habitat of 20cm, after putting a tracker on one in a glass bowl. Most scientific.
As for killing all the kangaroos on Wanniassa hills, if you don’t at least reduce their numbers pretty soon you’ll have skinny dead joeys with skin hanging off their ribs because there isn’t enough food for them all. How humane is that? If they all die off, well, there’s plenty more where they came from – in N.S.W.

HenryBG 7:36 pm 04 Jun 12

MissChief said :

Henry, I could laugh at your comments if they weren’t so sad.

Like I said: over-emotional.

MissChief said :

Yes, there might be millions of kangaroos in Australia but our local kangaroos are much less in number.

No ship, sherlock!

MissChief said :

Until recently, not much was known about Kangaroo populations and habits

That’s right – kangaroos were discovered by Professor Fanny Brathwaite in 1957, if I recall correctly.

MissChief said :

but they now know that kangaroo mobs don’t venture more than about 10 klms from their local area. That makes each mob unique and special in their linage for particular regions. If they kill all the kangaroos in places like Wanniassa Hills, we cannot expect another mob just to turn up.

What is this garbage?
They’re kangaroos, not Rembrandt or Einstein. They contribute nothing to society so who cares about any supposedly unique DNA (if that’s what you’re trying to get across?

wildturkeycanoe 5:01 pm 04 Jun 12

wildturkeycanoe said :

MissChief said :

Henry, I could laugh at your comments if they weren’t so sad. Yes, there might be millions of kangaroos in Australia but our local kangaroos are much less in number. Until recently, not much was known about Kangaroo populations and habits but they now know that kangaroo mobs don’t venture more than about 10 klms from their local area. That makes each mob unique and special in their linage for particular regions. If they kill all the kangaroos in places like Wanniassa Hills, we cannot expect another mob just to turn up.

Wildturkey, Thanks for sending me out to Tidbinbilla on the weekend to see the kangaroos. Was that you who shot at me?

Wasn’t me, why would I go out there to see roos when they are abundant on the roads in the suburbs? Also, don’t have guns, wouldn’t shoot a roo in a wildlife reserve if I did and are you just joking or being serious?
I still stand by the value of my car being more than that of a critter who wants to jump out in front of it. Doesn’t matter about the speed you drive, I’ve had one jump into the front fender whilst driving at 30km/h – dumb animal? I also have had three mates hit by roos whilst riding their motorcycles. Two faired okay [one bike written off] but the third has serious health issues for the rest of his life. Nasty business.

EDIT – Sorry, just read the other thing about Tidbinbilla, now I see where your coming from.

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