Does anyone know of an atheist doctor out there?

bluestocking 7 June 2011 47

Personal issues come up with doctors needless to say, and I would prefer to know that the advice or attitude I am being presented with is one that concurs with my own and is not tainted with the arbitrary values of religion.

Does anyone know where there might be a medical practitioner in Canberra/Queanbeyan who is atheist, or at least, non-religious?


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Jim Jones Jim Jones 11:05 am 08 Jun 11

Mysteryman said :

-But it’s pretty arrogant and demonstrates a distinct lack of thought to assume that someone else’s values are completely “arbitrary” and yours are not.

Like the religious types who believe that their world view was decreed by God and is essential and unchanging across the aeons?

boneymaloney boneymaloney 10:44 am 08 Jun 11

You lot, quiet your bickering and answer the OP’s question.

Dr Anthony Ng (pronounced ‘ning’), Tuggeranong Family Medical Practice, 6293 3111. Brilliant guy, great bedside manner.

Mysteryman Mysteryman 10:41 am 08 Jun 11

Eppo said :

Mysteryman said :

Eppo said :

Mysteryman said :

Jim Jones said :

Mysteryman said :

“…and is not tainted with the arbitrary values of religion”.

*rollseyes*

Perhaps you could explain how the values of religion aren’t arbitrary?

I could. But it would be wasted effort here. I’d rather roll my eyes at the notion that atheist values are any less arbitrary.

…and what are Atheist values?

The only thing Atheists necessarily have in common is the rejection of your sky wizard. Values are going to vary from individual to individual.

Yep. So it’s not unreasonable to suggest that the values of an atheist are just as likely (if not more likely) to be arbitrary.

‘Atheist values’ and ‘values of an Atheist’ are completely different things. Nice change in wording.

I would argue that the values of any Atheist would be less likely to be arbitrary. They’re far more likely to be rational and scientifically based.

That may seem less arbitrary to you, but many other people would disagree – especially as “science” has changed more in the last 200-300 years than religion has. It’s much more of a shifting starting point for basing ones values. Your concept of what is rational may also be very, very different to someone else who is also an atheist. And that’s exactly my point. I don’t really care what people believe, or don’t believe. But it’s pretty arrogant and demonstrates a distinct lack of thought to assume that someone else’s values are completely “arbitrary” and yours are not.

Thoroughly Smashed Thoroughly Smashed 9:51 am 08 Jun 11

Leinna said :

Doctors aren’t expected to perform procedures or give advice regarding issues that go against their beliefs.

Never let a patient’s wellbeing get in the way of your own beliefs, no matter how ridiculous they are, eh?

Buzz2600 Buzz2600 9:50 am 08 Jun 11

+ 1 Jim Jones

There is a huge difference between chosing a doctor you are “comfortable” with and one that refuses treatment or provides biased, un-scientific advice based on their own personal religious beliefs.

Being refused a legally available preventative treatment, such as the pill is unbelievable in Australia in this day and age. Australia is meant to have a universal, public health care system where access to professional, high quality medical care should not be arbitary. Women are being denied treatment. I would suggest these doctors should not be GP if they are not prepared to prescribe safe, legal medical care.

The Frots The Frots 9:29 am 08 Jun 11

Leinna said :

Doctors aren’t expected to perform procedures or give advice regarding issues that go against their beliefs.

This only goes for legal procedures of course. I don’t think you can refer someone for euthanasia.

Damn……………………..there goes that idea!

Jim Jones Jim Jones 9:19 am 08 Jun 11

ronafios said :

I do hope you find a doctor you’re comfortable with, but please recognize that kinda fits in the ‘luxury’ category, well above things like accessibility and competence.

It’s a ‘luxury’ to expect a doctor to provide treatment without imposing his or her Medieval view of the universe on you at the same time?

Leinna Leinna 8:59 am 08 Jun 11

Doctors aren’t expected to perform procedures or give advice regarding issues that go against their beliefs.

However, they ARE expected to refer you on to another GP or specialist who can answer your questions.

Eg. A catholic doctor might refuse to perform a surgical abortion because this is against his beliefs. However he would be expected to refer a patient to another doctor who is able to perform this.

This only goes for legal procedures of course. I don’t think you can refer someone for euthanasia.

ronafios ronafios 7:36 am 08 Jun 11

Wow. Just… Wow.

It must be nice to live with a sense of unlimited choice. Perhaps I should be aspiring for a hot blonde female doctor, or maybe a fatherly guy with a Mr Rogers personality. Can anyone advise where I can find them in Canberra? I’d prefer it if they were of the same political persuasion as me and shared my taste in music…

Of course, in many other parts of the country (and some parts of Canberra) doctors have closed their books and aren’t taking on new clients. And in many other parts of the world, a doctor of any description and perspective is always just a little too far away.

I do hope you find a doctor you’re comfortable with, but please recognize that kinda fits in the ‘luxury’ category, well above things like accessibility and competence.

Eppo Eppo 10:51 pm 07 Jun 11

Mysteryman said :

Eppo said :

Mysteryman said :

Jim Jones said :

Mysteryman said :

“…and is not tainted with the arbitrary values of religion”.

*rollseyes*

Perhaps you could explain how the values of religion aren’t arbitrary?

I could. But it would be wasted effort here. I’d rather roll my eyes at the notion that atheist values are any less arbitrary.

…and what are Atheist values?

The only thing Atheists necessarily have in common is the rejection of your sky wizard. Values are going to vary from individual to individual.

Yep. So it’s not unreasonable to suggest that the values of an atheist are just as likely (if not more likely) to be arbitrary.

‘Atheist values’ and ‘values of an Atheist’ are completely different things. Nice change in wording.

I would argue that the values of any Atheist would be less likely to be arbitrary. They’re far more likely to be rational and scientifically based.

justsomeaussie justsomeaussie 10:16 pm 07 Jun 11

My partner has had two doctors in the last two months prescribe the pill for her. Both doctors were of Indian decent and said they couldnt perform that service for religious reasons.

Sad.

justin heywood justin heywood 8:45 pm 07 Jun 11

I heard a rumour that Dr McCarthy over at the Salem St. Medical Practice is a secret Christian. Can anyone verify this?

These Christians and their bigotry must be denounced and dealt with!

Watson Watson 8:20 pm 07 Jun 11

p1 said :

Mysteryman said :

Yep. So it’s not unreasonable to suggest that the values of an atheist are just as likely (if not more likely) to be arbitrary.

Totally valid. However, having a GP who has developed their own (arbitrary) values might appeal to me more (knowing that a doctor is by profession a educated person of science who wants people to be well) then having a GP who has adopted the arbitrary rules put in place by villiage elders in a desert a couple of thousand years ago, then re interpreted (arbitrarily) to satisfy the rulers of the day ever since.

I don’t normally get involved in discussions about religion (live and let live and all that) but: hahaha!

MsDizzy MsDizzy 8:17 pm 07 Jun 11

I agree religion should never get in the way of delivering effective health care – but unfortunately it does. Currently, one of Canberra’s university medical centres prominently displays signs in the waiting room indicating the forms of contraception each doctor provides and highlights that “Dr X chooses to discuss only natural methods of contraception (Rhythm and Billings)”. At least it is stated, but this is really poor, especially given the sexual behaviour of university students and the large body of scientific evidence which indicates the best practice when it comes to sexual health, women’s health and contraception use.

eily eily 7:48 pm 07 Jun 11

BBerry said :

BBerry said :

WillowJim said :

If it really to youmatters (but why should it?), avoid Majura Medical Centre in Dickson, where they definitely bash the bible. But I’ve been there and have been treated very well, without any sermons.

+1

just to clarify, that is a +1 on their bible bashing.

I, however, have not been treated well at that centre without sermon.

Maybe you should tell them you came to see a doctor of medicine not a doctor of theology. If you wanted a priest (or religious pusher of your choice) you would go to a church. Though they can’t be too fervert in their beliefs, they choose the profession that pays more.

creative_canberran creative_canberran 7:42 pm 07 Jun 11

What, so someone who is an atheist or agnostic can’t be tainted by arbitrary values?

breda breda 7:29 pm 07 Jun 11

While I can appreciate that some doctors are influenced strongly by their religious beliefs, and that this is unprofessional and intrusive, as far as ‘arbitrary values’ are concerned, a non-believer’s values may well be just as arbitrary and unprofessional in other ways. They might believe than meat in the diet will bring you to an early grave, or in random and unproven ‘complementary’ therapies, etc. Apart from avoiding heavy duty God-botherers on fertility matters, surely what most of us are seeking is a high degree of competence and a courteous approach?

I have had 2 GPs in the last 30 years – the first was Jewish and the current one is a low key (perhaps lapsed) Catholic. Both have fulfilled the above criteria and religious issues have never intruded, including in relation to fertility matters or circumcision, to name a couple of possibilities.

I would have thought that finding a good GP is a much broader question than determining whether or what religious beliefs the person may have.

Eby Eby 7:02 pm 07 Jun 11

Great news – it sounds like you know who I am referring to. Glad about your baby – and congratulations!!!

Thanks Frots! 🙂

what_the what_the 6:57 pm 07 Jun 11

Mysteryman said :

Eppo said :

Mysteryman said :

Jim Jones said :

Mysteryman said :

“…and is not tainted with the arbitrary values of religion”.

*rollseyes*

Perhaps you could explain how the values of religion aren’t arbitrary?

I could. But it would be wasted effort here. I’d rather roll my eyes at the notion that atheist values are any less arbitrary.

…and what are Atheist values?

The only thing Atheists necessarily have in common is the rejection of your sky wizard. Values are going to vary from individual to individual.

Yep. So it’s not unreasonable to suggest that the values of an atheist are just as likely (if not more likely) to be arbitrary.

Maybe you’d care to explain what these universal athiest values are? Meanwhile I’m getting back to my hobby of not collecting stamps.

chewy14 chewy14 4:54 pm 07 Jun 11

Jim Jones said :

Oh no. Atheists are all in league with the devil and are absolutely evil. They completely lack any moral compass, don’t you know.

+1

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