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Does the GDE need a Calvary access road?

By johnboy 22 August 2011 40

Last week a baby was born in a traffic jam on Gungahlin Drive, which will at least be useful practice for the rest of its life.

Today Alistair Coe is asking why one can’t get from this supposedly arterial road to Calvary Hospital sitting pretty much next to it:

The ACT Government was advised to build an access road for emergency purposes from the GDE to Calvary Hospital by the Liberal Chaired Planning and Urban Services Standing Committee as long ago as 2001, said Alistair Coe, Shadow Minister for Urban Services.

The issue has been highlighted with the dramatic delivery of a baby on the roadside because the couple could not get through GDE traffic.

I am concerned about the Governments inability to manage the GDE has lead to severe traffic jams which has made the journey to Calvary Hospital much longer than it should have been.

In this case, there was a happy ending and I congratulate the couple, but it shows if you do not plan and build properly there can be very real consequences.

Welcome to the world, you’re now an opportunity for Alistair Coe to say “I told you so”.

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bitzermaloney 10:12 am 23 Aug 11

johnboy said :

bitzermaloney said :

If Aranda can get it’s own on/off ramps why not every other suburb along the line. Kaleen’s gotta be next after that.

Aranda is home to better letter writers.

Obviously. That or it’s where the TAMS senior management live. However you’ll more fresh pasta, grappa and “real” football lovers in Kaleen. (In 2006 the whole suburb was wide was partying for many days after the World Cup.)

BimboGeek 6:33 am 23 Aug 11

If your labour has reached the “pushing” stage and you live 25 minutes from medical help you’re supposed to stay put, stick some towels in the microwave, run a bath, boil some scissors and call an ambulance or your midwife.

If there’s nothing wrong with your pregnancy the biggest risk is infection; a paramedic, midwife or doula will be able to help.

Whinging for specialists and risking the drive to a hospital just makes you look like a princess who can’t handle normal human functions.

The Antichrist 9:00 pm 22 Aug 11

Gungahlin Al said :

The Antichrist said :

sepi said :

…..This is about whether there needs to be an access road to the hospital for medical emergencies coming from that direction – answer yes.

It isn’t about this one poor woman and her baby, which thank fully all turned out well for all concerned……

Sorry mate, this is *all* about 1 poor woman and her baby being delivered in a car, which according to Mr Coe, was all due to the gridlock on the GDE ! He was quite happy to use this example to illustrate his point of view.

Then stop being a jerk and stick to that point instead of trying to turn it around into criticism of that person’s childbirth planning. You undermine the case you are mounting with such stupid and unnecessary assertions.

If the childbirth had actually been planned, this thread would not exist. Time you took a Bex and a long lie down.

what_the 6:33 pm 22 Aug 11

nsn said :

Not sure what you’re referring to, what_the. Do you mean the off ramp from Caswell Drive to Belconnen Way? From there to Calvary you have to stop at three sets of lights, potentially: one at the intersection at the bottom of the off-ramp, one at the intersection of Belconnen way and Hayden Drive, and one at the entrance to Calvary.
The issue is that the original plans for the GDE provided for a direct off-ramp from the GDE (northbound, north of the Belconnen Way overpass) to Calvary. A+E at Calvary is at the back of the building, a few hundred metres (at most) from the GDE. A direct access road from the GDE to the rear of Calvary would therefore avoid three sets of traffic lights, as well as a fair amount of distance.
As per my earlier post, for some reason this direct access road did not go ahead. Not sure why.
But it was originally planned when the GDE was being developed, so to suggest it should be built doesn’t seem to me quite in the same league as suggesting that “there should actually be a hospital in every suburb with access directly to it from every residence, so that in in every circumstance, members of the public can drive straight to ER” , which, as far as an analogy goes, just strikes me as stupid and incoherent.

No idea what you’re talking about with the analogy.

I’m talking about the here and now. I’m saying that now building an off ramp directly to the hospital to avoid 500m and 3 sets of lights to save 1 minute would not be the best use of public funding.

Gungahlin Al 6:16 pm 22 Aug 11

The Antichrist said :

sepi said :

…..This is about whether there needs to be an access road to the hospital for medical emergencies coming from that direction – answer yes.

It isn’t about this one poor woman and her baby, which thank fully all turned out well for all concerned……

Sorry mate, this is *all* about 1 poor woman and her baby being delivered in a car, which according to Mr Coe, was all due to the gridlock on the GDE ! He was quite happy to use this example to illustrate his point of view.

Then stop being a jerk and stick to that point instead of trying to turn it around into criticism of that person’s childbirth planning. You undermine the case you are mounting with such stupid and unnecessary assertions.

nsn 5:30 pm 22 Aug 11

Not sure what you’re referring to, what_the. Do you mean the off ramp from Caswell Drive to Belconnen Way? From there to Calvary you have to stop at three sets of lights, potentially: one at the intersection at the bottom of the off-ramp, one at the intersection of Belconnen way and Hayden Drive, and one at the entrance to Calvary.
The issue is that the original plans for the GDE provided for a direct off-ramp from the GDE (northbound, north of the Belconnen Way overpass) to Calvary. A+E at Calvary is at the back of the building, a few hundred metres (at most) from the GDE. A direct access road from the GDE to the rear of Calvary would therefore avoid three sets of traffic lights, as well as a fair amount of distance.
As per my earlier post, for some reason this direct access road did not go ahead. Not sure why.
But it was originally planned when the GDE was being developed, so to suggest it should be built doesn’t seem to me quite in the same league as suggesting that “there should actually be a hospital in every suburb with access directly to it from every residence, so that in in every circumstance, members of the public can drive straight to ER” , which, as far as an analogy goes, just strikes me as stupid and incoherent.

what_the 4:52 pm 22 Aug 11

sepi said :

This is about whether there needs to be an access road to the hospital for medical emergencies coming from that direction – answer yes.

It isn’t about this one poor woman and her baby, which thank fully all turned out well for all concerned.

Babies are unpredictable, and Canberra maternity are just as likely to send people away if they aren’t in full labour, She was probably told to wait a bit longer – just very unfortunate she hit peak hour.

It is great that some people feel so able to predict the duration of labour in their families – I hope predicting your sports injuries, strokes and heart attacks goes well for you also and you arrive at Emergency in a timely fashion.

But there is one?? I dont get it. The existing off ramp is about 300m away from the hospital? Or are people actually talking about having a ramp that connects directly to the front door or the ER? Why would we invest in another ramp 300m down to save probably 1 minute in real time?

The Antichrist 4:51 pm 22 Aug 11

sepi said :

…..This is about whether there needs to be an access road to the hospital for medical emergencies coming from that direction – answer yes.

It isn’t about this one poor woman and her baby, which thank fully all turned out well for all concerned……

Sorry mate, this is *all* about 1 poor woman and her baby being delivered in a car, which according to Mr Coe, was all due to the gridlock on the GDE ! He was quite happy to use this example to illustrate his point of view.

Yes, thankfully it ended up well for that particular woman and her baby, and we are all happy about that. No, I don’t agree with the initial premise for 1 second, that this example is proof that additional access for emergency vehicles is needed at all.

If this line of thought was taken to its logical conclusion, then there should actually be a hospital in every suburb with access directly to it from every residence, so that in in every circumstance, members of the public can drive straight to ER without so much as a beep of the horn or a bird out the window to the ever-present tailgater !

Clearly this utopian vision will never be possible. So we do the next best thing. Put disco lights & sirens on emergency vehicles. Seems to work in all other advanced civilisations ?

sepi 4:36 pm 22 Aug 11

This is about whether there needs to be an access road to the hospital for medical emergencies coming from that direction – answer yes.

It isn’t about this one poor woman and her baby, which thank fully all turned out well for all concerned.

Babies are unpredictable, and Canberra maternity are just as likely to send people away if they aren’t in full labour, She was probably told to wait a bit longer – just very unfortunate she hit peak hour.

It is great that some people feel so able to predict the duration of labour in their families – I hope predicting your sports injuries, strokes and heart attacks goes well for you also and you arrive at Emergency in a timely fashion.

The Antichrist 3:33 pm 22 Aug 11

nsn said :

….For the record, The Antichrist, Sarahsarah isn’t the only person to interpret your comment like that way: you came across as an elitist jerk to me too……

did you actually post ? sorry I failed mindreading, but its hard to actually comment about *posts* being made, when there was only 1 actual *post* made.

If getting my missus to hospital in time to have 4 babies makes me an elitist jerk, so be it.

I think I would rather have 4 healthy kids, than not be considered an elitist jerk and cop a stillbirth in the back seat – simply because I was too slack to drag my sorry @rse into the maternity ward in a timely fashion……but thats elitist jerkism for ya !

nsn 3:17 pm 22 Aug 11

You also may want to have another look at those *other comments* – you do actually appear to be the only one who took it that way.

For the record, The Antichrist, Sarahsarah isn’t the only person to interpret your comment like that way: you came across as an elitist jerk to me too.

The Antichrist 2:47 pm 22 Aug 11

sarahsarah said :

……Apologies if that’s not the way you meant to come across, but I can see from other comments I am not the only one who took it that way…..

Apology accepted. I have only ever considered myself an normal jerk, but am very happy to be elevated to the elite class !! roflzomfgbbq 🙂

You also may want to have another look at those *other comments* – you do actually appear to be the only one who took it that way.

sarahsarah 2:29 pm 22 Aug 11

The Antichrist said :

sarahsarah said :

……Besides, just because the birth of *your* children went so well to plan doesn’t mean everyone else’s does…….

where did I say they went to plan, or weren’t quick ?

I said we didn’t leave the trip too late – for one of my kids, that meant a trip to Calvary and a delivery within 1 hour.

Your whole comment smacked of elitist jerkism. My point was that life invariably happens and it doesn’t always happen the way we expect. Don’t judge the poor woman because she happened to have her baby in a car when you on the other hand managed to make it to the hospital in time for all 4 of yours.

Apologies if that’s not the way you meant to come across, but I can see from other comments I am not the only one who took it that way.

At any rate – glad the mum and bub are okay. I am sure that once the GDE is finished (not that it was on the GDE) traffic will flow smoothly and their won’t be any more issues like this. Oh and there will be rainbows, peach pies and fluffy kittens given to everyone who drives along there. Right?

The Antichrist 1:55 pm 22 Aug 11

sarahsarah said :

……Besides, just because the birth of *your* children went so well to plan doesn’t mean everyone else’s does…….

where did I say they went to plan, or weren’t quick ?

I said we didn’t leave the trip too late – for one of my kids, that meant a trip to Calvary and a delivery within 1 hour.

The Antichrist 1:52 pm 22 Aug 11

Gungahlin Al said :

The Antichrist said :

Not once during the birth of my own 4 children, did we leave the journey to Calvary Hospital late, its hardly the fault of the roadbuilders that someone else chose to leave *their* journey so late that they had to give birth in a car.

Let’s not turn a political issue into criticism of a private citizen just because their child came on quick. It happens.

But its OK to turn the issues of a private citizen into a political issue just because their child came on quick ?

something about a goose and some sauce and a gander comes into mind….

sarahsarah 1:45 pm 22 Aug 11

The Antichrist said :

Gungahlin Al said :

…….It was Haydon Drive. …

So lets blame the GDE for a birth that occurred on a road that is not actually the GDE, but one that actually has several feeder roads (none of which by the way are actually the GDE in the first place) ?

Sure, that will make a good story for Mr Coe……must have been a slow news day.

Not once during the birth of my own 4 children, did we leave the journey to Calvary Hospital late, its hardly the fault of the roadbuilders that someone else chose to leave *their* journey so late that they had to give birth in a car.

Not every baby has a drawn out birth. Sometimes when they are ready, they are ready and out they come. My sister gave birth in the hospital elevator because the little tacker just couldn’t wait the extra 5 minutes be born in a bed. From go to whoa it only took a few hours.

Besides, just because the birth of *your* children went so well to plan doesn’t mean everyone else’s does.

caf 1:38 pm 22 Aug 11

yellowsnow said :

bitzermaloney said :

If Aranda can get it’s own on/off ramps why not every other suburb along the line. Kaleen’s gotta be next after that.

I always assumed Kaleen was getting ramps because Stanhope lives there. Who’s next in line for direct ramps after Jon’s? Anyone know where Katie Gallagher or Simon Corbell live? Pretty soon there’ll be more ramps than cars on that damn road, already allegedly the most expensive and overengineered public road in Australia’s history per km, or so i’ve heard

I think you assumed wrong, which renders the rest of your ramp moot.

Aranda already had two eastern exits on to Caswell Drive – after the duplication this has been reduced to one. Kaleen has always had an exit to the east – it doesn’t have ramps on to Gungahlin Drive, but it still exists and runs where it always has, so they haven’t lost anything either.

Rollersk8r 1:38 pm 22 Aug 11

The Antichrist said :

Gungahlin Al said :

…….It was Haydon Drive. …

So lets blame the GDE for a birth that occurred on a road that is not actually the GDE, but one that actually has several feeder roads (none of which by the way are actually the GDE in the first place) ?

Sure, that will make a good story for Mr Coe……must have been a slow news day.

Not once during the birth of my own 4 children, did we leave the journey to Calvary Hospital late, its hardly the fault of the roadbuilders that someone else chose to leave *their* journey so late that they had to give birth in a car.

Strongly agree. Same applies to the woman featured on ABC’s 7:30 a couple of weeks back. Made the decision to move to Yass from Canberra – and is then outraged Yass is not well equiped to handle births; lives are being risked in the dangerous drive to Canberra while in labour etc.

Well should have thought of that before you moved. And if you really believe you’re risking your life then how about staying somewhere in Canberra for the week or two before you’re due.

Gungahlin Al 1:30 pm 22 Aug 11

The Antichrist said :

Not once during the birth of my own 4 children, did we leave the journey to Calvary Hospital late, its hardly the fault of the roadbuilders that someone else chose to leave *their* journey so late that they had to give birth in a car.

Let’s not turn a political issue into criticism of a private citizen just because their child came on quick. It happens.

The Antichrist 1:23 pm 22 Aug 11

Gungahlin Al said :

…….It was Haydon Drive. …

So lets blame the GDE for a birth that occurred on a road that is not actually the GDE, but one that actually has several feeder roads (none of which by the way are actually the GDE in the first place) ?

Sure, that will make a good story for Mr Coe……must have been a slow news day.

Not once during the birth of my own 4 children, did we leave the journey to Calvary Hospital late, its hardly the fault of the roadbuilders that someone else chose to leave *their* journey so late that they had to give birth in a car.

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