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Drug drought?

By johnboy 11 April 2009 59

The Canberra Times is carrying police claims of major victories in their war on illicit drug production and supply.

    Speaking after releasing results of the haul, Detective Superintendent Nicholas Bingham said police targeting of cannabis crops had a significant effect on production. ”We have seen the crop sizes reduce dramatically from thousands some years ago to in the 10s and low 100s,” he said.

As luck would have it a drug using friend did recently remark that there wasn’t much weed or acid around at the moment. Then she smiled sweetly and said “But I’ve still got lots of pills”.

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Spideydog 5:58 pm 13 Apr 09

Deckard said :

Very true. But alcohol also has its effects.

True

ahappychappy 3:56 pm 13 Apr 09

VY, unforunately yes, ecstasy is rather common and accessable these days, my younger sister talks of people she knows that are only 16 doing it at the usual house parties that usually just entailed alcohol and/or maybe if someone was daring some weed. Shocking really…
However, I think that it is a different situation to jump from ice/cocaine to pills (usually containing MDMA/MDEA and/or speed). A person out in the city on a Saturday night (other than the homeless/addicts there EVERY night) usually (if on drugs) will be on pills, as who could afford/bother to carry 6 lines of coke for a night? Or even further to that carry a few points of ice? The reason they are so common now is the fact that they are so damn cheap and such an easy compliment/substitute for alcohol. I agree that sure, someone on Ice/Coke is harder to control in the city than someone who’s had a bit too much to drink. But think it’s a rather large jump to think that these would be the drugs consumed and not pills.

Deckard 3:19 pm 13 Apr 09

Very true. But alcohol also has its effects.

Spideydog 2:53 pm 13 Apr 09

Except where the schizophrenia link comes in …… and other unknown effects

Deckard 2:43 pm 13 Apr 09

jakez said :

Mate, pot is not expensive. It’s a lot cheaper than booze.

True, and is pretty much in the same league as far as effects go. Pot would be the only drug that could feasibly be legalised I think.

But who knows what’s best? and I’m not necessarily talking about pot here. Legalising may stop the organised crime, but then you’re risking more people taking it up as there’s no legal deterrent. Do you have more drug education to stop this happening? That doesn’t seem to work at the moment.

And as has been mentioned if organised crime stop making money out of it, they’ll find something else to make a quick illegal buck out of.

Spideydog 12:06 pm 13 Apr 09

vg said :

“Tell me though, would you rather do security around someone whos drunk too much, or someone whos smoked too much weed?”

Throw ice into the equation and the answer is simple

Alcohol over Ice ANY day of the week. Period. The closest thing to a human being a wild animal I have EVER seen.

vg 9:07 am 13 Apr 09

“Tell me though, would you rather do security around someone whos drunk too much, or someone whos smoked too much weed?”

Throw ice into the equation and the answer is simple

Danman 8:39 am 13 Apr 09

Special G – Are you flirting with me? I love that song. Infidelity musicified.

I was merely drawing the line that not everyone who has a bottle of water at 3am who is buzzing from a good night is on drugs.

I guess you walk around the clubs with a neuro obs torch too, and give the 12 point neuro reaction test to determine that they are non reactive to outside stimuli.
Sounds like a scene from scrubs dunnit ?

Hey I am not denying it does not happen, but many times in my younger days I had great nights as the designated driver whereby I would party my arse off till sunrise, and drink non alcoholic bevvies (OMG Water included) and would be on such a buzz from a great night that I was considered full of beans, peppy and energetic.

I see where you’re coming from, but your views are not the be all.

Right now in life, I have better things to do with my money (See NFF thread) and time usually sees me in bed by 11pm, unless I am out taking photos.

Special G 7:10 am 13 Apr 09

Danman – You haven’t been stereotyped at all. Are you doing the same out in town at 3am on Sat morning? If someone talks to you are you still doing the jitterbug or can you focus for more than about 2 seconds? Are your pupils non-reactive and the size of dinner plates all the time?

I also have tattoos and wear the occasional leather jacket… Do you take long walks in the rain and like pina coladas. I don’t, but jump to what ever conclusions you like.

DMD – you continue with the I love drugs stance etc. You and your mates make a concious choice to buy the drugs yet you bring up things like organised crime etc profiting from it. You as the purchaser can make the choice if you like funding those things. If your 15 minute escape from reality is worth the possibility of funding a terrorist organisation within Australia or OMCG’s then make the choice.

It’s all about choices. People aren’t held down and forced to take drugs. They make the decision to do so. Buck stops with the end user – take some f%$#ing responsibility.

There might be lots of people who take recreational drugs, but surely this gathers momentum over time. I’m told by guys younger then me who go out regularly that taking pills is pretty normal for most peoples’ Saturday night out late. It sure wasn’t when I was late teens and early twenties. Pot has always been around, but all this other crap was a lot less obvious and accessible.

I’m not particularly comfortable with my kid growing up in a world where lots of people think drug use is ok. How are you supposed to draw the line about what’s ok and what’s not. It’s not like these pills are subject to quality control.

I don’t for a second claim that alcohol is without problems. Maybe we need to get our clubs and bars to enforce the idea of not serving grog to someone who’s obviously hammered…

The objective would be to estimate how many people use illicit substances and do so without ever being arrested for a violent crime.

I’m not really sure what this would achieve. If you send the message that drugs are ok, and more people start to try them, then logically there will be more violent crime, if the proportion of those who do offend remains constant.

I’ll admit that I’ve always been against illegal drugs (who a range of reasons). Saying that lots of people do it and they’re ok is not going to change my mind.

ahappychappy 1:36 am 13 Apr 09

Hi all – New here (not really, only just registered, been here for months)
Figured I’d put my two cents in.
Not all people wandering the streets of the city on a Saturday with a bottle of water have taken “ecstacy”(I’ll call it “ecstacy” as it’s hardly one substance anymore and impossible to actually tell what is in most of the little bastards), however I do agree that it has become a more common practise with the price of it so cheap. Myself, I’m not a user, however know people that are, and can save themselves quite a fortune when substituting drugs for alcohol… Not to mention they’re usually a lot less likely to start trouble as they’re too busy loving everyone to care about Jimmy who’s drank too many bundy and cokes and just wants to have a blew.
Perhaps a look at alcohol prices to cerb the “ecstacy epidemic” is needed? (as TodayTonight called it HAHAHA) As by using an economists logic, a change in price of a good effects the demand for its substitues. Mr KRudd’s “Alcopop” tax probably turned many teenagers to “ecstacy” instead of alcohol as it was alot cheaper and affordable (not to mention the majority of those teenagers just want to get a high/low and don’t care how).

As for drug charges, I’ve not heard of many people charged with minor posession when it hasn’t been linked to another charge. Probably how it should be, instead of charging every 19 year old in the city on Saturday with posession, charge the dirty dealers in the carparks that it seems everyone except the police know are there. And from what I can assume, fighting on “ecstacy” probably wouldn’t be too easy, as one part of you would want to hit the bloke, the other kiss him.

Can’t we all just get along? I hope so. Sorry for the amazingly rantish first post, ended up being about 80 cents.

dvaey 11:58 pm 12 Apr 09

vg, I dislike civic on a Saturday night, because of the effects of alcohol. I havent been there for many years, but I presume it hasnt changed, in that people go from club to club throughout the night drinking more as the night goes on. I also presume that while some problems do occur in the clubs, most fights ive seen have occured outside on the walkway or the road.

I dont envy the job of anyone who has to do security for people who have consumed alcohol, but it is considered a legal drug, therefore society should deal with those who partake in too much. Tell me though, would you rather do security around someone whos drunk too much, or someone whos smoked too much weed?

jakez 11:40 pm 12 Apr 09

Danman said :

Trust me when I say I can assure you that illegal tobacco is still huge in Australia, quite a problem, and accounts for 100’s of millions of dollars in lost tax excise every year.

Hmm, protecting freedom and protesting taxes. My new heroes.

jakez 11:38 pm 12 Apr 09

Deckard said :

Yeah, but if you legalise it the price will drop so any kid could afford it.

You could add a tax and only sell it at a certain places, but there’d still be those who’d undercut the official sellers and sell it illegally on a black market – like what happens in Europe with cigarettes.

I think keeping it illegal and the police turning a semi blind eye to casual users or sellers is the best option for all.

Mate, pot is not expensive. It’s a lot cheaper than booze.

vg 11:08 pm 12 Apr 09

Actually DMD you wouldn’t have the ticker to do it

jessieduck 9:19 pm 12 Apr 09

goose said :

jessieduck said :

Business still seems OK for my neighbour based on the number of transactions she makes a day…

I hope you called crimestoppers.

The Police are well acquainted with my neighbour.

Deadmandrinking 8:49 pm 12 Apr 09

vg said :

“Most people I see on ‘disco-bikkies’ are usually in their own little world. They don’t have much to say to people other than that they love them or some other weird random crap.”

I’d invite you to walk a mile in a policeman’s shoes on a Saturday night in the city

No thanks. I might begin to suspect that everyone who looks like they’re on pills is a criminal, including Danman, which seems to be the general consensus here.

Question: How many people would you say get picked up for crimes committed under the influence of illicit substances on your average saturday night? Serious question, I want to know…

Then I’d like to compare to an estimate of how many people are out in civic on the same night, and, although it would be impossible to accurately estimate, how many of them are on illicit drugs.

The objective would be to estimate how many people use illicit substances and do so without ever being arrested for a violent crime. I’d be willing to put my money on that being quite a high number. I estimate this from the sheer amount of people I know who have used drugs more than a few times and do not have criminal records.

If this is the case, it would be punishing a majority for the actions of a minority.

Danman 8:32 pm 12 Apr 09

I carry a bottle of water everywhere I go too, for my own hydration purposes, and have been told I am either full of beans or walk around like I have blinkers on..

No need to guess that I am not an illicit drug user (Slight employment conflict of interest) but accordingly have now been stereotyped as one.

Hay I have tattoos as well, and wear leather jackets… Guess what…

vg 8:21 pm 12 Apr 09

“Most people I see on ‘disco-bikkies’ are usually in their own little world. They don’t have much to say to people other than that they love them or some other weird random crap.”

I’d invite you to walk a mile in a policeman’s shoes on a Saturday night in the city

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