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Duxton opens its doors. A review

By johnboy 25 February 2012 99

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Setting a record pace for a refurbishment Duxton opened its doors last night in time for the start of the rugby season.

For those who haven’t been keeping up Duxton is the bar occupying the space All Bar Nun used to. (With much of the furniture from All Bar now to be found a few doors down in “The Nun” which still bears the signage of Marinetti’s Italian Restaurant.

At the end of this game of musical chairs O’Connor now has twice as many bars servicing a quarter as many customers with much more expensive beer.

The tradesmen doing the fitouts appear to be the real winners.

So what have they done to All Bar Nun?

Well with a common ownership to Tongue and Groove it should be no surprise that clever woodwork features throughout, as well as downlights reminiscent of that establishment.

In the front bar’s rugby corner it feels a lot like being in a swedish sauna, or maybe a coffin.

The squirrel logo seared into the wooden surfaces is a nice touch, although at the moment the whole place still smells a lot like wet paint and varnish.

Pints of Coopers Pale are going for $9 which will disgruntle many.

At the moment outdoor seating doesn’t stretch around the carpark side of the bar.

The decor is generally tasteful, with one corner even featuring leather recliners and a persian carpet.

Overall there’s less seating, and more standing room, which one imagines will evolve over time.

Now, for a place that describes itself on Foursquare as a gastro pub how was the gastronomy?

duxton nachos

I like to use nachos as a benchmark between bars.

They all have it, and the buggers can be quite tricky to do right. I’ll give them credit, these were done just about spot on, although personally I like my chillie to have traces of chilli.

My cornchips remained crisp thoughout, there was enough tasty stuff to scoop up, and there were no burning hot surfaces.

They’re also using a pager system, which is cute.

On placing an order you get a numbered hocky puck which, when your meal is ready for collection beeps, flashes, and vibrates.

It can save trouble when the bar is busy but we’ll have to see how it all shakes down.

All in all it’s a pleasant space to be in, and remains one of the better places in town to sit outside and watch the world go by.

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Gregarious21 1:08 pm 21 Apr 12

Just got back from having breakfast here and I have to say it was a big disappointment. The poached eggs may as well have been hard boiled, the bacon was greasy and the “corn” fritters were closer to fried, oily dough balls studded with the occasional kernel of corn (I’m talking like 2 or 3 kernels per fritter). Won’t be going back any time soon.

Kerryhemsley 12:20 pm 22 Mar 12

Went there last Saturday for lunch with a few people and apart from the slow service with a small crowd the meals were absolutely s…. house. I won’t be eating there again. The pies were just a pre- made pastry case with a bland watery filling and the quality of the steak sandwich was a joke. Don’t know how they can charge $18 for those meals and keep customers. I don’t mind paying a lot more for good food but when it is that sort of slop using cheap ingredients forget it.

fabforty 5:57 pm 10 Mar 12

tommy said :

We stopped by today to see what it was like – as we use to be locals before. The food could have been good based on the menu – but it’s pretty bland all round (best of the bad bunch was the chips). Actually I lie, it’s very very bland. ABN pies used to be great, the new ones are basically a pre-made shell which they overcook and burn, then pour in a casserole filling (which you can see they serve several ways on the menu – clever). They seem to think it helps to take 30 minutes to serve you this when the place is 20% full too.

$2 EFTPOS charge too to cap it off.

What ? $2 EFTPOS charge ? I think they know by now what they can do with THAT.

Sub-urban used to do that (although I think theirs was more). Not sure if they still do.

Vote with your feet people.

Tetranitrate 3:31 pm 10 Mar 12

devils_advocate said :

In any case, production cost doesn’t determine market price. It’s a superior product, retailers can and should charge more. It’s how a market works.

Actually in a competitive market, costs of production do determine market price, keeping in mind of course that the risk-adjusted return on capital is itself a cost of production.

tommy said :

$2 EFTPOS charge too to cap it off.

haha wow. This says everything I need to know about the attitude of those running the place – push out the existing tenants who spent years building up the business, then rush in with an overly expensive, inferior quality service and product in the hope they can squeeze out as many $$$ as possible out before the punters catch on.

From the reactions here it may well turn out that they’ve overplayed their hand. I mean I doubt the place will fail outright, but it may turn out they’d have been better off with the rent from All Bar Nun than the the takings from this venture.

tommy 2:34 pm 10 Mar 12

We stopped by today to see what it was like – as we use to be locals before. The food could have been good based on the menu – but it’s pretty bland all round (best of the bad bunch was the chips). Actually I lie, it’s very very bland. ABN pies used to be great, the new ones are basically a pre-made shell which they overcook and burn, then pour in a casserole filling (which you can see they serve several ways on the menu – clever). They seem to think it helps to take 30 minutes to serve you this when the place is 20% full too.

$2 EFTPOS charge too to cap it off.

aevans 12:49 pm 07 Mar 12

DanRayner said :

I am absolutely obsessed with good beer and so can’t help myself (easily trolled maybe? … but then, most people here on this forum aren’t trolling they’re just equally passionate!)

So here’s a few of my two cents.

DanRaynor said alot of great things. Thanks for some sense in the discussion.

When I first dropped into Duxton’s pretty much everything was $10 pint …. we had a chat with Chris who had a couple dropped down to $8 by last weekend (Coopers and Extra Dry I think a mate said).

lob 12:12 pm 07 Mar 12

Its wholesale price that should determine price. Coopers do charge about the same as VB etc. Lots of pubs in Sydneys inner west do charge only arout 30c more a schooner. I’m at the Astor Hotel in Goulburn right now. My schooner of Coopers Pale cost $5. Ask Duxton why the don’t charge the inflated prices for Carlton etc. Coopers and the fake Euros are 50% more. We really do have a highly sophisticated pub scene here in Canberra : )

devils_advocate 9:42 am 07 Mar 12

johnboy said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

This thread highlights one of the reasons that I home brew.

Fun and cheap, and a good excuse to have friends over.

Not such a great way to meet new people though.

Nor is it a great way to impress chicks. Well some chicks are impressed by it, but… well, you know.

devils_advocate 9:40 am 07 Mar 12

lob said :

The claim that Coopers is much more expensive than New/Carlton/VB et al is a lie. It’s about the same price for pubs and bars to buy wholesale.

This statement beggars belief. For one thing, coopers uses live yeast strain, which needs to be cold transported at specific temperatures. Also it uses actual beer ingredients such as good hops and barley, which other locally produced beers don’t.

In any case, production cost doesn’t determine market price. It’s a superior product, retailers can and should charge more. It’s how a market works.

devils_advocate 9:37 am 07 Mar 12

john87_no1 said :

So what?! Just because we are a wealthy nation doesn’t mean we should pay unreasonable prices for consumables. It’s like people saying “well petrol is $1.55L, but we shouldn’t complain because we still have some of the lowest fuel prices in the world”. What type of thinking is that?! We should be aiming to have the lowest prices on everything.

I say – Mo money mo problems.

Um, being wealthy kind of does mean we have to pay more. A bar in a given location has a certain degree of geographic monopoly, and the supply in terms of how many patrons they can fit in the bar is limited. If we assume the “willingness to pay” of patrons is varied (probably some function of their income) then it makes sense for the bar to increase the price of the drinks until there is no extra people waiting to get in. Put another way, if there is a line out the door, the drinks are too cheap, if the place is empty they are too expensive, if the place is at capacity they’ve got the price just “right”.

DanRayner 9:05 am 07 Mar 12

I am absolutely obsessed with good beer and so can’t help myself (easily trolled maybe? … but then, most people here on this forum aren’t trolling they’re just equally passionate!)

So here’s a few of my two cents:

lob said :

Canberra need more small bars. The ACT Government needs to make it easier for people to open small bars. I really should be no different to opening a cafe. All the problems with alcohol consumption are from the larger establishments that operate into the wee small hours encouraging young people to get pissed/off their face. Is it too much to ask that in a city the size of Canberra there isn’t

Having just opened a cafe and thinking about a liqour licence I can’t agree more – it was pretty straightforward to open a non-licenced venue but the paperwork and hoops you need to jump through to sell a few interesting craft beers and a bottle of wine here and there (and I do mean a few craft beers / wines – we aren’t open after 430pm) is nuts!

lob said :

– a nice relaxing place you can go and Coopers is $5 a schooner
– fake European beers are not sold. – The ACT Government really should do something about this FRAUD. Peroni Italy my ass. Peroni Northmead Sydney made by Coca-Cola.
– The owner actively tries to get locally made beer on tap. [Not easy when we have f all breweries]
– Good beers from the US [where microbrewing is now huge] are actively sought out. Why isn’t there a single bar in Canberra serving Sierra Nevada’s range of beer when Dan Murf is now stocking these. I’m sure they could buy slabs at a discount and make a healthy profit selling 330ml bottles for around $6.50.

And btw in Sydney’s inner west you can still get Coopers for $5 at many pubs, and a lot even sell Coopers by the Jug. Canberra establishments are all run by capitalist money hungry a holes.

Having recently left the retail liquor industry I can suggest that despite the relative affordability of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale for the punter at the big evils like DMs & 1st the cost vs gross profit for these beers in a pub would make them less desirable. SNPA per case wholesale costs around $60 or $2.5 per bottle (inc GST). That would make it around $10 in a bar – 75% GP is about what most pubs put on items – they might be able to drop it to $8 maaaaybe but that would be a big ask for the owner whose costs (staff, rent, etc) are quite high compared with liquor stores or cafes.

That’s not to say that some pubs wouldn’t or don’t charge this – look at Debacle here in Canberra or The Local Taphouse in St Kilda or Surrey Hills (the latter have very few glasses or bottles of beer for less than $10 – I know they charge $9.5 for a bottle of Sam Adams Boston Lager). http://www.thelocal.com.au/

lob said :

The claim that Coopers is much more expensive than New/Carlton/VB et al is a lie. It’s about the same price for pubs and bars to buy wholesale. In fact the pub at Jerrabomberra Hotel was selling Coopers for $4.50 a schooner back in 2009. The Soul Bar in Woden also had Coopers on tap for $5.00 back then. Unfortunately neither has Coopers on tap now. Soul Bar had Zeirholz briefly on tap also, and then, took it off. Soul Bar now flogs a lot of fake Euro beers at inflated prices, and Jerrabomberra has gone back to just “working class water” [Carlton etc.]

Coopers is more expensive by the keg than Carlton or VB.

It just is.

Carlton is around $200-220 (inc GST) per keg and Coopers $220-250 depending on the deal you get as a publican.

lob said :

This is what Canberra mostly has in the way of bars now:

– Lots of Fake Euros at inflated prices (+ a fake beer pretending it’s from the Snowy Mountains (actually made in Campbelltown.) This beer is rubbish, no better than watery New/Carlton but sold at a premium price.

– Coopers mostly not on tap, despite it being the last large Australian brewery. Where it is on tap it’s increasingly around $6 or, , $7-something a schooner at that new place where the Nun once was. In bottles, at places like Ainslie it’s $6.50.

– VB, New, Carlton for “real blokes” still not more than $5 anywhere.

Yeah, “real blokes” (plumbers, builders, etc) get their beer at a reasonable price. They never pay over $5.00. Those of us who don’t like this mass produced, high carbon footprint, watery, chemical after-taste, poor excuse for beer have to put up with being ripped off. God I miss Sydney’s inner west. Give me the Courthouse or St Peters pub, etc etc, over the pathetic WATERing HOLEs in this sad town any day.

Agreed. But we do have some gems in the rough too: The Wig & Pen, Zierholz, Debacle, Pork Barrel Cafe does some nice beers, even The Durham has a pretty cool selection of Aussie craft beers in the bottle (inc Stone & Wood) + White Rabbit, LCPA & Coopers on tap, Sage Restaurant has some very interesting beers (I think available on Friday arvos too)

Also, I drank a Mountain Goat Steam Ale pint at A Bite To Eat last week

johnboy said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

This thread highlights one of the reasons that I home brew.

Fun and cheap, and a good excuse to have friends over.

Not such a great way to meet new people though.

Not true, JohnBoy. The Canberra Brewers Club is a great way to meet other good brewers!

http://www.canberrabrewers.org/

dtc said :

Duffbowl said :

Comparing the price against Euro brands is fraught with danger, for the reason pointed out by lob. Draught beer does not need to be labelled with a point of origin. You might think you’re drinking Peroni/Nastro Azzuro/Millers/Bulmers/Pilsner Urquell/Grolsch, but you’re drinking something made on the Central Coast by Pacific Beverages, a Coca Cola Amatil/SABMiller company.

Although presumably the same recipie and presumably it tastes the same as if it were made overseas.

Which is, of course, a different issue to how companies can charge as if it were an imported beer when, in fact, it is a locally produced beer.

Although they can change the chemistry of the water brewers will never get it exactly right especially since beer is usually 95% water and different cities have different water.

lob said :

Canberra is a f joke is you actually like REAL beer and like GOING out:
– No range of good beers
– Fake beers everywhere. (And not just the fake Euros, but a certain mob in Campbelltown Sydney called Independent Brewers [what a deceptive name] makes beer “from” the Claire Valley in SA, Byron Bay, The Snowy Mountains.)

http://brewzone.com/2009/06/20/nelson_beermap/

Sad isn’t it?

I appreciate your enthusiasm for good beer Lob but we do have good beer available here – The Wig & Pen is a great place for going out to drink world-class craft beer. As for range; they have something like 15 taps 🙂

lob said :

LarryBlaze said :

lob said :

milkman said :

Why is beer so expensive in this town? Because people will pay the prices asked. Simple.

Welcome to being wealthy.

A lot of us though simply don’t go out as much. There’s a HUGE gap in the market for a bar selling good beer at $5 a schooner plus good food [ie not frozen supplies cooked in fat.]

Yes there is a big gap in the market for a pub selling good beer for $5 a schooner

There are a few reasons why:

If you sold say coopers for $5 a schooner you would be out of business pretty quickly, it costs just over $2 just to a schooner with coopers pale or zieholts, leaving $3 per beer for rent, electricity, gas, wages, security, cleaning, insurance, apra licensing fees, marketing, book keeping, maintenance, liquor licensing fees, etc.

Explain then why most pubs in Sydney’s inner west (with the exception of a few wanky renovated holes like the Bank in Newtown) sell Coopers for about 30c more per schooner than New/Carlton/etc. How is it that pubs like the Courthouse often sell jugs of Coopers (works out to be about $3.80 per schooner.) I mean, surely, if what you are saying is correct, the rest of us are subsidising plumbers, electricians, builders etc [not that I’m stereotyping], so they can keep getting their beloved Boags/XXXX/New/Carlton at or under $5 per schooner. Isn’t this just a tad sexist, since few women drink these beers.

And what’s the go with the fake Euro beers popping up everywhere on tap. I’m guessing the margins for this watery AUSTRALIAN beer is huge. Everyone’s a winner: The bar flogging it off at highly inflated priced, the multinational flogging this sh** a little more than New/Carrlon. Hell, maybe even the customer who feels more sophisticated or something paying $7.50 for a flavourless AUSTRALIAN lager poured from a tap that reads Becks/Peroni/Stella/Etc.

I still think there’s a HUGH market existing in Canberra for someone (or a group of people) to open a small bar and
– sell Coopers for $5 per schooner
– As much good beer from local breweries as is possible on tap. Probably look at Sydney also.
– US Craft beers in bottles at a reasonable price.
– Belgium and German beers
– No fake brewed under licence beer.
– No New/Carton/flavourless beer.
– No frozen food cooked in fat. (This no-prep sh** food seems to be everywhere in Canberra. Especially at the clubs.)

Canberra is becoming an irrelevant backwater. On one of the online beer forums I belong to, Oliver is currently touring the US and posting this back:

http://homebrewandbeer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10738

Seriously, the ACT Government needs to do something. MADE IN AUSTRALIA signage on all these fake draught beers would be a goood start. Go to the US, Nelson NZ on a fact finding trip, find out why by comparison our microbrewing scene is so dismal. And why is that pubs and clubs in and around Canberra can’t be bothered to stock good beer in bottles from a range of small craft breweries from around the world. NZ for example is only 3 hours away by air, has a very good microbrewery scene, and the dollar is 1.27. Jesus, we import enough wine from NZ, why not beer.

lob said :

devils_advocate said :

The demand side for actual, proper beer is increasing, and the market is changing to meet that demand. As long as that continues, I don’t think we have any major reasons for cultural cringe.

Can’t agree with you. I don’t see many if any locally brewed beer on tap. I don’t see good beer in bottles at many establishments. Instead its just these three

Expensive Fake Euro beers. Now, these taste different because the ingredients, including water, are Australian. And, hello, they’re made by large multinationals. Their concerns lie in profit margins, quick production, advertising. As for taste, that’s hardly a concern. They hold such a poor opinion of people who drink beer; Their attitude seems to be: “just make it crisp and lacking in any real taste and we can stamp any famous name onto it.” $7.50+

XXXX, Boags, New, Carlton. $5

And then Coopers which is a good beer. But, probably only on tap at 1/3rd of bars in Canberra. I don’t think its on tap anywhere in Queanbeyan for example. (Roughly) same wholesale price as Carlton, Boags etc. Yet, varies in price from cheapest at $5 up to same price as BUL fake Euros at this new swanky O’Connors joint. (Still like to know how much they charge for a 1/2 pint btw.) People here do realise that Coopers is the last large family owned brewery in Australian Hands eh? I mean, Coopers actually care about making a good product.

That about it; I don’t see anything else in well over 90% of the pubs and bars around here. In the US my wife always finds a wheat beer. Shock Top, Blue Moon, etc. I can always find an IPA or Pale. Here, it’s a f joke. And, another thing, in the US, good beer costs about the same as their Carlton equivalents (Bud, Coors, etc.) It’s not suddenly 50% (or higher) more if you prefer Flat Tyre to Bud. It might be the same, or maybe 30c more. Also, when I was in the States last (2010), BUL beer, even on tap, was clearly labelled. And there wasn’t much of it. It’s all being replaced by microbreweries.

Another pet hate of mine too, apart from “Euro” beer on tap not being labelled as MADE In AUSTRALIA, (gee I’m such a whinger) is the lack of advertised beer prices clearly visible. You find out a place like Duxton’s charges $9 a pint after your beer’s been served and you $1 change back. Yet wine almost always has a menu.

Beer is waaaay more expensive here in Oz in part because of our stoopid excise laws.

In the US brewers pay something like 30c per six-pack of beer in federal tax for the alcohol in that beer. And it makes no difference whether the beer is a Bud Light with around 4.5% alc/vol or a Stone Oaked Double Bastard Ale at 10% alc/vol. And if you are a small brewer then you get a discounted rate making it around 11.8c per six pack.

http://ttb.gov/tax_audit/atftaxes.shtml

Here in Oz the tax is more like $4.36 per sixer of 5% beer and on top of that it’s volumetric! So an equivalent sixer of Stone would be $8.7 per sixpack. And the excise gets obsene after you go over 10%

http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=PAC/BL030002/1&PiT=99991231235958

There should be some form of beer equalisation tax for the little craft brewers here like the small wineries get – http://fairgocraftbeer.com.au/

Anyhoo.

Drink less, drink better.

I heart beer.

lob 6:24 pm 06 Mar 12

devils_advocate said :

The demand side for actual, proper beer is increasing, and the market is changing to meet that demand. As long as that continues, I don’t think we have any major reasons for cultural cringe.

Can’t agree with you. I don’t see many if any locally brewed beer on tap. I don’t see good beer in bottles at many establishments. Instead its just these three

Expensive Fake Euro beers. Now, these taste different because the ingredients, including water, are Australian. And, hello, they’re made by large multinationals. Their concerns lie in profit margins, quick production, advertising. As for taste, that’s hardly a concern. They hold such a poor opinion of people who drink beer; Their attitude seems to be: “just make it crisp and lacking in any real taste and we can stamp any famous name onto it.” $7.50+

XXXX, Boags, New, Carlton. $5

And then Coopers which is a good beer. But, probably only on tap at 1/3rd of bars in Canberra. I don’t think its on tap anywhere in Queanbeyan for example. (Roughly) same wholesale price as Carlton, Boags etc. Yet, varies in price from cheapest at $5 up to same price as BUL fake Euros at this new swanky O’Connors joint. (Still like to know how much they charge for a 1/2 pint btw.) People here do realise that Coopers is the last large family owned brewery in Australian Hands eh? I mean, Coopers actually care about making a good product.

That about it; I don’t see anything else in well over 90% of the pubs and bars around here. In the US my wife always finds a wheat beer. Shock Top, Blue Moon, etc. I can always find an IPA or Pale. Here, it’s a f joke. And, another thing, in the US, good beer costs about the same as their Carlton equivalents (Bud, Coors, etc.) It’s not suddenly 50% (or higher) more if you prefer Flat Tyre to Bud. It might be the same, or maybe 30c more. Also, when I was in the States last (2010), BUL beer, even on tap, was clearly labelled. And there wasn’t much of it. It’s all being replaced by microbreweries.

Another pet hate of mine too, apart from “Euro” beer on tap not being labelled as MADE In AUSTRALIA, (gee I’m such a whinger) is the lack of advertised beer prices clearly visible. You find out a place like Duxton’s charges $9 a pint after your beer’s been served and you $1 change back. Yet wine almost always has a menu.

devils_advocate 5:26 pm 06 Mar 12

lob said :

We’re a joke. An international laughing stock. People come here from Europe and the States and they cringe at the pathetic offerings in our bars and pubs. ACT could attract a lot more tourism if we had a vibrant microbrewing scene selling beers at $5 a schooner on premises and to other bars, pubs, and (I suppose) the clubs. If the Greens really care about the Environment, they’d talk their Labor mates into mandating a 50% on tap local beer (say with 200km radius) at all pubs/bars/clubs. That would start the ball rolling….

I don’t really think you know what you’re asking for. If you want cheap beer, well VB and carlton has always been available – however in my view these barely qualify as beer, due to the high level of cane sugar used, as opposed to malt. In any case, I agree these beers are an embarrassment.

I don’t think the mere fact that a beer is brewed under license makes it any worse than the imported stuff – provided they are brewing to the same recipe (I have no idea if the licensees have to stick fasidiously to the recipes, but certainly they seem pretty good). If the ingredients are the same, then the only real difference would be the price – beer is very expensive to move around. I should disclose that an increase in the price by itself does not increase the perceived value to me, I just care if it tastes good.

Finally, you mention the local micro brews. There are some great microbrewers locally and in Australia generally, including zeirholz. But they don’t have huge economies of scale, and making good beer costs extra. Having said that I think zeirholz’s offering is great value for money.

The demand side for actual, proper beer is increasing, and the market is changing to meet that demand. As long as that continues, I don’t think we have any major reasons for cultural cringe.

lob 5:14 pm 06 Mar 12

For the record Grrr I have drunk it. Only because, you know, you’re tired after work and the bottle is where Dans stock imported beer, and the bottle looks IDENTICAL to the real import bar some small 8pt print on the back label, or at the BASE of a slab. It was good…nice clean tasting. Not a hint of anything resembling beer. Expensive water though.

BUL Heineken. Someone gave me an entire slab of it for helping him move house. I found if I chilled it right down, and treated it like a Corona by adding a lime wedge it was drinkable. Just.

And, yeah, I’ve “accidentally” bought Pikes Pilsener supposedly from the Clare Valley, but made in Campbelltown. (Actually I know someone who owns a small winery at Murrumbateman. I tried unsuccessfully a couple of years ago to convince him they don’t have a brewery at their Winery in SA. They get it brewed in Campbelltown Sydney under contract.

That Snowy Mountains sh** on tap at Ainslie (made in Campbelltown, Sydney. No water from the Snowys involved. No local ingredients whatsoever. Purely a marketing exercise with their very small, almost homebrew, operation at a Pub at Jyndabyne a FRONT. Very boring, flavourless beer.

Byron Bay years ago at an Inner West Pub in Sydney years ago, around 2006. They were using two scantly dressed blondes to market the beer. “Would you like to sample some beer from Byron Bay.” Fricken hilarious. “Oh, yeah, the owner is planning on moving the brewery to Byron Bay though. But, yeah, it’s brewed elsewhere at the mo…” LMAO

Oh, yeah, and I had this unfortunate experience with BUL Peroni in December 2010:

http://homebrewandbeer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10275

lob 4:34 pm 06 Mar 12

Johnny, you can drink whatever you like.

But you’re wrong about most people knowing this beer is brewed under licence. The sad fact is there is not enough exposure in the media. Of the last TEN people I asked “You know that’s made here in Australia..” Not ONE person knew that to be the case. (Admittedly they were all public servants in the sample.) If that’s the argument (that everyone knows “European lagers” are brewed in Australia) for not having MADE IN AUSTRALIA, the ACT Government could simply do a survey in a bar one Friday night. And if people are just drinking a brand name, then I’m sure it won’t affect sales. (I think they’d drop significantly myself.)

You’re also wrong that there multinationals care about making a good Euro lager here in Oz. To quote Michael Jackson (the Beer Hunter – not the pop singer):

“Freddy Heineken had his own article of faith: that a proper lager cannot be made in fewer than 60 days, while most of its rivals worldwide would settle for 21 or even 14. He insisted that, in the American market, the beer remain a true import, and not be brewed under license. He was passionately proud of the Heineken yeast.”

After he died in 2002, Lion Nathan got the rights to brew it here. Talk about expensive tasteless water.

If you like these BUL beers, I don’t want to sound offensive, but have you ever thought your appreciation of beer might be the equivalent to wine in pubs 20 years ago: Just sweet cask Riesling. I walk into many pubs in NSW and the ACT and that’s all I see: The beer equivalent of cheap cask wine, except it’s not cheap.

Beer Advocate is a very good site btw. You’ll see if you browse the reviews that Australian beer rates very highly for all the wrong reasons: Truly horrible mass produced beers (XXXX, Boags, etc), Horrible Fake Euro lagers, and Fake Microbrewery beer (Beers like Pikes Pilsner. Clare Valley SA bla bla bla….Made under contract in Campbelltown, Sydney.)

We’re a joke. An international laughing stock. People come here from Europe and the States and they cringe at the pathetic offerings in our bars and pubs. ACT could attract a lot more tourism if we had a vibrant microbrewing scene selling beers at $5 a schooner on premises and to other bars, pubs, and (I suppose) the clubs. If the Greens really care about the Environment, they’d talk their Labor mates into mandating a 50% on tap local beer (say with 200km radius) at all pubs/bars/clubs. That would start the ball rolling….

Grrrr 4:34 pm 06 Mar 12

lob said :

Kronenberg 1664 is a FRENCH beer. Their beer on tap is AUSSIE. Made with Australian water. Australian Hops (well, if you can call what little flavour there is in the Aussie version. My guess is that they use cheaper, less flavour, hop oil), & Australian Malt. It tastes nothing like the REAL version.

Have you actually done an A-B comparison?

I don’t know about the Carlsberg Group, but I’d be suprised if they were much different from other major brewery conglomerates: I was informed that for the Heineken Group’s international beers the brewers work very hard to make sure they taste the same regardless of which country’s brewery they’ve come from. Specifically this involves sending slabs of the stuff from each factory to the others for taste comparison on a regular basis, and on a less frequent basis sending the all brewers to head office to compare for themselves.

johnnynorthside 4:00 pm 06 Mar 12

For the record, I ordered the 1664 because I liked it at the Tradies a couple of weeks ago. I assumed everyone knew that most if not all euro beers are brewed in Oz under licence. Jeepers, back in 1998 when I worked in a north London pub the Heineken and Stella were both brewed in the UK under licence, and their countries of origin are less than an hour away by plane!!

My post was actually about poor service in a “new” venue – not a good start for a new business. I wasn’t there when Todd Carney mistook someones leg for the urinal, but in ten years of eating and drinking at All Bar I never once had a bad experience.

And yes, the Redback was yummy!

BelcoAndy 1:34 pm 06 Mar 12

I’ve been to Zierholz at the University of Canberra two Saturdays in a row . $7 for a pint or $4 for a half a pint . Great choice of locally brewed German Beers.

Had wood fired pizza the first time which was great and nachos last week , not so good .

Pretty much the same menu as Zierholz Fyshwick but with the addition of Pizza’s and more finger foods .

Through the week it has been pretty crowded with students but the last 2 Saturdays it’s been pretty quiet in there .

Thoroughly Smashed 1:11 pm 06 Mar 12

dtc said :

“wtf are you ordering that for anyways. It’s NOT Kronenberg 1664.”

I realise beer and coffee snobs don’t realise that other people do not share their obsession, but if someone purchases a beer that they enjoy, does it matter where it comes from? Had he purchased a micro brewery made of organic rain water (is there any other kind…) and paid that price and enjoyed it just as much as he enjoyed the beer he purchased, would that be acceptable to you?

Not everyone purchases beer based on the label or the origin. Some people buy it based on taste.

A real beer snob will tell you that both the locally brewed product and the original are crap because they’re made by a macrobrewery.

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