16 January 2025

Electric buses sent back to manufacturer for rehab after running out of puff

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Transport Minister Chris Steel on board the first Custom Denning electric bus when it arrived in October 2023. Photo: Ian Bushnell.

The four Australian-manufactured electric buses leased by Transport Canberra have been sent back to Sydney for attention after ongoing reliability issues related to their range.

Transport Canberra told Region that the Custom Denning Element 2 electric buses, which have spent a lot of time idle at their Belconnen depot, were suffering technical issues and it was working with the manufacturer to resolve them.

Transport Minister Chris Steel later confirmed that the problem was that the buses were not covering the expected 400 kilometres without recharging and had been limited to short runs.

Mr Steel told ABC radio that the four buses weren’t delivering the range that had been specified by the manufacturer.

“So they’re going up there to have some work done, but we expect them to return to the fleet to provide services, especially as we ramp up with the school year starting,” he said.

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While the problem is limited to just these four buses and they are leased not owned by Transport Canberra, it comes as the MyWay+ ticketing system continues to have bugs and doesn’t perform as promised.

Transport Canberra said it was not considering tearing up the five-year, $3.8 million leasing contract with Custom Denning and remained committed to resolving the issues.

Mr Steel said the work to extend the buses’ range was being done during the quiet school holiday period when they were not needed.

He said the 41 Chinese-made Yutong electric buses, which make up most of the electric fleet, were operating really well and had been an excellent addition to the fleet.

“Generally speaking, I think most Canberrans that have used these electric buses on the network have found them to deliver really clean, quiet and comfortable services,” Mr Steel said.

“And mostly on the whole, quite reliable services.”

Transport Canberra has contracted to buy 90 of these and lease 12.

The ACT Government is committed to increasing the number of electric buses as part of its climate change strategy to fully transition the fleet by 2040 or earlier.

Mr Steel said the lessons learned from this procurement would be applied to further purchases and leases, as well as from the experience of Transport for NSW, which is also running Yutongs and other makes.

“We have over time learned some lessons about what we might procure in future in terms of some of the internal fit-out to make it better for both customers and for the drivers,” he said.

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Despite the latest problems, Mr Steel said the bus fleet procurement program was on the right track.

“I’m pretty confident that with the technical advice that we got leading into that procurement, the work that we’ve done on the zero-emissions transition plan for Transport Canberra, which has now been updated, that we’ve got the right approach to market,” he said.

Mr Steel also defended the MyWay+ procurement, saying the current issues had to do with project management and testing before going live on 27 November.

He said the provider, NEC, was committed as much as Transport Canberra to improving the system.

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Fir gosh’s sake… China is flooded with electric buses and has been for decades. The UK just buys them off the shelf and has for years. Common Australia, get real, buy a whole bunch of cheap electric buses from China, and clean up the air at last!
Sydney stinks from ancient diesel buses!!!! Hurry up!

ChrisinTurner2:04 pm 17 Jan 25

Another failure to properly test by Steel. Does he believe in testing?

@ChrisinTurner
I don’t want to downplay Steel’s role in this fiasco, IMHO the most incompetent in a lack lustre ministry. However, I would suggest that a major portion of the responsibility, for delivering a tested software product, lies with the supplier not the customer. Naturally that would be subject to the terms of the contact, but surely there would be something about a working product? Hmmm … it is ACT government – so maybe not *groan*

Nick Stevens6:05 pm 18 Jan 25

Yes a real possibility in the near future, be interesting how the EV vs hydrogen progresses, in any case the decline of ICE vehicles will continue, especially cars coming out of China that are becoming more affordable and of a high quality.
As with busses…belching diesel compared to clean air…hmmm.

Capital Retro6:56 pm 18 Jan 25

What happened to the millions of dollars that the ACT Government invested in the hydrogen plant at Fyshwick?
https://reneweconomy.com.au/act-leads-180m-investment-hydrogen-storage-car-fleet-33870/

This is yet another steel failure. How many stuff ups does he have to create until his position becomes untenable? The sad fact is that he has his eyes set on the CM position when barr steps down mid term. God help the ACT if he gets more power as he has consistently demonstrated failure after failure

@Seano.
FACTS MATTER not ideology and wishful thinking.
EV buses need the massive battery replaced every 5 years max (source Canadian Dennings buses).
EV buses are some 2.5 times the cost of an ICE bus. (Source Dennings).
EV buses do not work well in cold temperatures (or hot). (Source: Canadian experience).
EV buses suffer from marked decreased range in cold weather (Source: Canada).
EV buses need major component swap outs when batteries are replaced . No matter the brand. (Source: Canada and California).
EV buses will be out of service for around 3 months when the batteries are swapped out. ( Source: Canadian and US experience of them).
YEP, a fantastic ACT thought bubble turned into policy, turned into a purchase, turned into a nightmare.

Rob,
If you’re going to attempt to source the references for your comments, provide links or further details.

Simply referencing a company or “country experience” is meaningless.

Particularly when referencing things like the impacts of temperature from a country with a wildly different climate to Australia.

You’ll look a little bit more sensible then, although how much is debatable.

Remember facts matter over your ideology or wishful thinking.

@Rob
Even though you’ve addressed your comment to Seano, I am going to jump in.

First, you say Dennings is a US company – now you say it’s Canadian. Interesting that I cannot find any reference to a bus manufaturer with that name in either USA or Canada. The only reference I can find, is to the Australian Company “Custom Dennings”, on which I provided information to you elsewhere via this link:
https://www.busnews.com.au/custom-acquires-denning-new-city-bus-launch-at-busvic-2019

I look forward to seeing your links to the above “FACTS” from ‘Canadian Dennings buses’

The issue of cold temperature affecting battery capacity has already been addressed in various ways, one of which is the introduction of temperature management of the batteries themselves.

None of that is true Rob.

I suspect the reason you haven’t linked your “source” (which seems to be related to one company experience rather than based on industry data) is it is transparently false or misrepresentative.

Or the dope you got these silly claims from on Telegram didn’t provide it either (likely for similar reasons).

Critical thinking is worth giving a go.

The great immediate health benefit of EVs is clean air to breathe especially in urban areas. Somehow this rarely enters the conversation but it is the most important benefit.

Oh, I see you’re using one experience with one manufacturer of one model of EV to make claims about all EVs…genius stuff.

I’m sure you’ve combed the net to find any example of an issue with an EV.

Of course, issues never happen with ICE vehicles because they’re magical or something.
https://manlyobserver.com.au/taskforces-solution-to-northern-beaches-bus-problem

Seriously Rob go for a walk.

Indeed Rob, facts do matter. But I cannot find much information that supports your assertions. And it seems you don’t keep up with the rapid developments in battery technology otherwise you would not have made those assertions. I suggest to the reader to look up information especially with regard to batteries.

Electric vehicles in the form of cars are now cheaper to buy than many equivalent combustion vehicles. My guess is that these market dynamics will soon apply to buses if not already. I just don’t want to spend more time checking you.

Andrew Hargrave10:34 am 18 Jan 25

Importantly, as you said, facts matter. These Custom Dennings weren’t purchased, so I think your whole post is null?

The buses that were purchased are currently working perfectly. It seems the procurement process was fairly accurate…

Where’s Rob gone? Strange to see that he’s disappeared once called out on his made up “facts”.

My favourite Rob-made-up “fact” on EVs is his claim that they’re useless after 5 years as if people worldwide are spending 10s of thousands to buy cars that last 5 years and no one is complaining about that.

Either Rob’s critical thinking is lacking or Rob’s not letting facts intrude on this argument because the argument is about his personal ideology not the science, technology and economics of Evs.

The new ticketing systems don’t work, the new EV buses don’t work, the drivers all paid six figures+ for their efforts and strike whenever they want don’t work. *What ever came of that illegal strike the other month when they left school kids stranded without notice?! Nothing.

But Chris Steel assures us all is well; ok nothing to see here Canberra.

GrumpyGrandpa6:11 pm 17 Jan 25

Dave,
That’s a pretty big unsubstantiated claim there, that all bus drivers are paid six figures+

With pays like that, why is TC continually recruiting?

That is however a really good question about what ever came of that illegal strike?
Hopefully the government acted and started protecting their drivers from assaults and getting a bucket of fish heads tipped over their heads.

The wife and I are oldies, and we catch the bus most days. If the government don’t put processes in place to make public transport safe, that impacts everyone; drivers and passengers, including children!

John Pedestrian8:47 am 17 Jan 25

EV busses and integrated ticketing systems are these days widespread around the world and work quite well.

The persistent problem in ACT is about poorly run tendering acquisition and implementation of ,almost everything.

An EV bus is some 2.5 times more expensive than an ICE bus. FACTS MATTER.

John Pedestrian6:00 pm 17 Jan 25

Rob upfront purchase price is only ,one factor in the, total cost of , anything.
Personally truly neutral re EV busses vs ICE busses

What has been truly evident in the ACT for years now is that just about anything the government does , costs way more than it should and is pretty ordinary second rate (at best) in reality

@justsaying. Cite your WA EV bus lifespan source mate. Come on, bet you cannot because you made it up didn’t you… he he! An EV bus needs it’s battery completely replaced about every 5 years. My source is Dennings themselves. You know the actual manufacturers of these useless, expensive pieces of rubbish. The cost of replacing “said” battery is well north of 40k. Facts matter @justsaying, ideology doesn’t really does it.

@Rob
Here’s the link to the article I referenced about WA government:
https://www.wa.gov.au/government/media-statements/Cook-Labor-Government/First-locally-made-electric-bus-charges-into-passenger-services-20240907

Really? You got your information straight from “Dennings” did you? So why has Custom Denning (that’s the actual name of the Australian bus manufacturing company) been giving a 10-year warranty, since 2020, on their electric buses (as per this article – https://www.customdenning.com.au/post/element-a-new-beginning)?

Yes, Rob, facts matter – otherwise you get caught out, don’t you!

No, I don’t get “caught” Seano. Now I invite you to go to Dennings website ( or anyone else) and see what the manufacturer says about their EV buses. It’s interesting but I give you your WA quote…well researched.

Dennings is a US company Seano. Sure it must now have an Australian affiliate. Surely your ideology doesn’t trip you up that far does it? Dennings has been manufacturing buses including electric buses since the 1950’s. They have even manufactured the NZ overhead electric buses for a period in Auckland and Wellington. Unfortunately EV buses have several inbuilt problems which include range, don’t work well in cold or very hot weather (of which Canberra has both), charging density of the lithium batteries and of course the fact that charging the battery daily brings the battery life down considerably (5 to 6 years max). Then the size of said batteries are quite large and lithium if you don’t know is poisonous to ALL biological life? What happens to them every 5-6 years (landfill?). NOT CLEAN, NOT GREEN, NOT SUSTAINABLE. FACTS MATTER, ideology not so much. Correct Seano?

What website are you looking at Rob?

I’ve gone to the actual company website and it doesn’t contain references of anything like what you are saying. You seem to be talking about a completely different company.

@Rob
I assume you are responding to my comment – given Seano has not posted in this thread.

Why would any prospective EV bus buyer in Australia go to the US, for a lesser (if it is the case) battery warranty, when they can get a 10-year warranty from the Australian company. Only a moron would confuse ideology with economic sense?

Oh and re “What happens to them every 5-6 years (landfill?)”.
You clearly did not read the statement from Custom Denning (based in to which I provided the link. If you had, perhaps you would not have made such a ludicrous statement, for I quote:
“The batteries carry a 10 year warranty and can be recycled at end of life, negating the great expense of disposal, and reducing the impacts on the environment.”

PS I have been unable to find anything at all related to Dennings USA – perhaps you can provide a link. However, you can read about the Queensland based company, Custom Denning, which was formed when Custom Bus Group acquired Denning Manufacturing in 2019:
https://www.busnews.com.au/custom-acquires-denning-new-city-bus-launch-at-busvic-2019

Lithium is only toxic if one eats too much of it, as with every other substance. Water and oxygen are toxic to humans and other life if too much is ingested or yak

You voted for them Canberra suck it up. More to come.

The race to net zero – net zero reliability, net zero savings, net zero common sense, net zero practicality.

Sigh……

A fleet of over 100 buses, less than 4% out with a fixable issue. I’d imagine there are plenty of fleet managers who’d be pretty happy with that, but I guess reasoned analysis is beyond partisans with net zero credibility.

Sigh……

Roger, Tracy4:57 pm 16 Jan 25

Nett knowledge = zero.

Ben Richards7:08 pm 16 Jan 25

Except there isn’t 100 electric buses in the fleet yet. 41 Chinese + 4 Aus= 44 total, so 11% of the fleet or 100% of the Aus made fleet.

100% of buses have problematic myway+

An unnecessary “fixable problem” that wouldn’t be an issue with ICE buses.

go woke , go broke……

Yep, true and in the EV bus case spend 40k plus every 5 years on replacing the buses massive and highly toxic lithium battery. What a fantastic idea. NOT! Oh to be a recipient of my taxes going on useless virtue signalling rubbish like this. Only in the woke Socialist utopia of the ACT would this be considered money well spent.

Every week or so, Transport Canberra say they’ve now fixed an issue with My Way+ and that these were just expected teething issues, nothing to see here.

Then we find out through the Public Transport Association, members of the public or the media that the issue is still happening. Cue Transport Canberra again rolling out the same excuse and say that the problem has just been fixed and it will be all good going forward.

Today we found out that they have some electric buses in operation that still haven’t had their My Way+ system installed and some commuters have been overcharged fares. Talk about a debacle. How can anyone have trust in Transport Canberra executives, their own bus drivers certainly don’t.

Range anxiety as soon as they are put into gear

102 other electric buses say nah.

If paying 2.5 times the cost of ICE buses is OK and a good spend Seano what is your definition of a bad spend? Then about every 3 to 4 years the battery has to be changed

None of that is true Rob.

Genuine question. Do battery powered buses have gears (other than drive or reverse)?

All of it is true Seano. Your claims re these buses are made up nonsense. Whereas I went to Dennings website in the US. You know the actual manufacturer to get my information. Where did you get yours from Seano? Disneyland?

So, we have buses that don’t charge properly, trams that can’t go up hills, bespoke electric firetrucks that firies don’t trust to use, a ticketing system in chaos, and millions spent on useless IT systems. But don’t worry, smiley Chris Steel has it all in hand. Or foot. Or elbow. Or something.

Canberrans keep voting them back in so deserve everything they get. If your not happy change your vote in 4 more years

Canberrans might not keep voting them in if the Canberra Liberals offered an electable alternative and the rabid Canberra Liberal boosters online wouldn’t flood every conversation with a torrent of BS.

Maybe if you lot would pull your heads and address issues on their merits with facts and not scream bloody murder about every little thing you might make some headway with the general public.

Two independents were elected at the last poll, it seems like the public was looking for change and the Canberra Liberals and their boosters missed an opportunity.

IDK maybe the very online, loosely hinged and rabid Canberra Liberal boosters might consider giving the tsunami of BS a rest or even try making reasoned arguments to see how that goes.

It’s been 20 years, it’s just Labor that needs to change.

*not just Labor that needs to change.

It’s simple, get rid of our over remunerated arrogant Mr Steel to star with.

If you purchase any type of battery powered vehicle you buy problems, especially with regard to range and lifespan. More important questions to ask (which were not) are these.
1. How much more expensive were these buses than ICE powered buses?
2. What was the cost when these buses were returned to the workshop to increase their range?
3. What the expected life of these battery-powered buses compared to similar sized ICE buses?
The answer to ALL these questions compared to ICE buses would be much more expensive, much more frequent and costly battery maintenance and far less lifespan. You only buy battery powered commercial vehicles to virtue signal. You certainly don’t buy them because they make economic sense.

A fleet of over 100 electric buses is fine. Your’re making this claim based on less than 4% of the fleet having what seems to be a fixable issue.

Michael Pless2:00 pm 16 Jan 25

The fact is, BEV buses have been in use around the world very successfully and are increasing in popularity. Just because the four locally-made items (out of a fleet of 106) are poor quality or defective in some way doesn’t mean that electric buses are as bad as you want to believe. And like some, I would rather not have a diesel engine in front of my car spewing carbon dioxide and carcinogens towards me. Clearly though, you are not in that number. And I have to wonder, exactly what maintenance do you think the bus batteries need? A grease and oil change? A valve grind? Timing belt replacement? Maybe fuel-injector clean? And for the record, the expected life of a BEV far exceeds that of any ICE with lower maintenance and lower running costs. So, by all means, fixate on the minority, and ignore this part of the article: “…the other 102… electric buses… were operating really well and had been an excellent addition to the fleet…” if that suits your purposes.

At what cost Seano? A fleet of over 100 EV buses is not fine. In 5 years they are junk/scrap value without expensive battery replacement programs. The life of a properly maintained ICE Public transport bus is about 15 years. Then they are usually sold on the 2nd hand market even then for quite substantial amounts. The only thing your 5-6 year old EV bus is fit for is scrapping. What a ridiculous waste of taxpayers money.

@Rob
Perhaps you can give us the benefit of your extensive research into EV buses – especially the research would has enabled you to conclude that the life of an EV is 5 years?

Oh btw – that’s a cynically rhetorical question. I actually did run a query on the life of an EV bus. This from the WA government:
“Analysis undertaken by the Western Australian Government shows the cost to operate an electric bus across its 18-year service life is around $1 million less than the current diesel buses.”

Points 2 and 3 are irrelevant. The article plainly says they are leased and not meeting the supplier’s range figure. Why are you concerned about the supplier’s own costs and risks?

None of that is true Rob.

Yep, and if they went the full woke/climate/PC nonsense push, we would have the WHOLE damn fleet off the road. Own goal……time for the adults to be back in charge.

yeah except has anyone had e-buses for 18 years to know if the 18 year claim holds up?

29 Transport Canberra buses have been retired from service in the past 12 months. 8 were between 18 and 19 years old, 4 were over 20 years old, and 17 (the majority) were over 30 years. How did you figure 15 years retirement age? Realistically, what operators (unless desperate) would choose to buy 15 year old buses and is there really a viable market?

Yutong electric city buses are expected to last well over 10 years with normal maintenance. The batteries may need replacement within that timeframe, but the bus itself should continue operating for a long time. However battery technology is evolving quickly and battery lifespan appears to be longer than the original estimates.
Denning is our local struggling alternative to the Chinese giant Yutong so some problems were to be expected.

The electric buses proclaimed by the EV Cult that have been running for years around the world are not battery, but electric trolley buses. A big difference the EV Cultists won’t acknowledge. Now watch as the cult looses their tiny mins over these comments hahaha!

@stevew77
A quick google research reveals that in 2017 Shenzhen, China (I’ve been there – it’s not a small city) became the first city in the world to electrify all of its public buses, replacing it’s fleet of 16,000 buses. They’re still running – which clearly has outstripped “Chicken Little” Rob’s doom and gloom figure of 5 years.

But hey, keep an eye on the Shenzhen fleet and come back when you find one has fallen over … that’ll be enough to satisfy the anti-ev luddites like yourself.

@Peter H
Really? https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/db408b53-276c-47d6-8b05-52e53b1208e1/e-bus-case-study-Shenzhen.pdf

How does that adage go – better to have people think you are a fool, then speak and prove them right?

Capital Retro8:41 pm 16 Jan 25

Did you collect your Friendship Medal while you were there, JS?

You don’t let facts get in the way of your tedious hot takes do you Capital?

“Electric vehicle fires are very rare. The risk for petrol and diesel vehicles is at least 20 times higher”
https://www.swinburne.edu.au/news/2023/09/electric-vehicle-fires-are-very-rare-the-risk-for-petrol-and-diesel-vehicles-is-at-least-20-times-higher/

@Capital Retro
Unfortunately, CR, I don’t see the relevance of your link to a 2016 article about a tragic bus fire in Shenzhen.

Despite what you might think, I don’t have a subcription to the South China Morning Post, so I can’t read the article. However, from the picture which I can see, that looks like a diesel bus to me.

As per my comment to Peter H – better to have people think you are a fool, then speak and prove them right. Though that advice is definitely wasted on you, as you have proven on so many occasions.

EV buses are NOT emissions free Michael. Sure the buses themselves are but all you do by using any EV is shift the CO2 emissions somewhere else.. correct? Where does the electricity come from to charge these EV buses, cars or any other battery powered thing. ANSWER: Some 82% of ACT electricity comes from coal and gas fired generation in NSW. FACTS MATTER, ideology not so much.

Once again Rob, none of that is true. You need to log off telegram and go for a walk mate.

BTW…I know facts are a challenge for you but even on a dirty grid (which ours is increasingly not, already sitting at 35% clean energy), EVs are cleaner than ICE vehicles.

https://about.bnef.com/blog/no-doubt-about-it-evs-really-are-cleaner-than-gas-cars/

There is a link within these comments Justsaying that you obviously don’t care to read….WHY? By the by the Canadian links I looked at. They do NOT last 18 years. According to the Canadian and Californian experience without expensive battery replacement they last 5 years max, some have problems after 2 or 3 years. The cost of replacing these large toxic lithium batteries is well north of 40k, some closer to 60k and that bus is then out of service for 80 to 90 days. This is ALL contained in the linked article you don’t care to acknowledge or read @Justsaying.

ALL true Seano! Which part do you say is not true? Oh but hang on you say “None” of that is true. So max battery life 5 years….true! Excessive cost replacing battery every 5 years….true! Problems operating in temperature extremes….true! Cost of the EV bus compared to ICE buses, much dearer……true! In the ACT not sufficient battery charging infrastructure……true! Out of service for nearly 3 months when battery is replaced……true! Something not covered in the discussion so far, cost of spares, motors, rotors, panel spares, lighting etc all very expensive…. true! Not fit for purpose. NOT GREEN, NOT CLEAN, NOT SUSTAINABLE. FACTS MATTER , not ideology.

Now go read the linked articles in this thread Justsaying. You know the ones you won’t acknowledge or evidently read. You base your argument on mainly ideology Justsaying. Paraphrasing your words above you “are the fool” for thinking most people foolishly follow your ideology when the written literature on EV buses is unbiquitous on the internet and elsewhere and from countries that have operated battery powered buses for a bit more than the ACT’s blink of an eye. FACTS MATTER, ideology not so much, correct?

@Rob
I have no idea what you are talking about Rob (something we finally have in common).

To which links, that I apparently “won’t acknowledge or evidently read”, are you referring?

The only link in this thread, other than that from myself and two from Seano, is from Capital Retro. I couldn’t read the article because it was behind a pay wall – but did see it linked to an article from 2016, reporting on a tragic death in a bus fire, which looked like it was a diesel bus. .

FACTS MATTER! Justsaying
https://www.stalbertgazette.com/local-news/st-alberts-electric-buses-not-lasting-as-long-as-expected-8015437 Once you connect to that linked article there are plenty more articles on what useless pieces of virtue signalling rubbish EV buses are. FACTS MATTER! Ideology not at all.

You’re right Rob, Facts do matter, a shame you don’t let them influence our opinions.

in the real world, not Telegram btw….EV batteries have a life of 10-20 years but otherwise far lower maintenance costs than ICE vehicles.

https://electricvehiclecouncil.com.au/docs/what-happens-to-ev-batteries-at-the-end-of-their-useful-life-in-a-vehicle/

Even if your bizarre BS that EVs batteries lasted 5 years (you can stop posting this bogus claim now see link) you are aware that ICE vehicles require constant and expensive maintenance to stay on the roads. The cost of maintaining an EV over its life is far, far cheaper than a comparable ICE vehicle.

But he’s something for you to ponder, a rational person would realise that if EVs only had a life of 5 years as per your ridiculous claim people would simply not buy them. The reverse is true.

Time to get a grip, log off telegram and go for a walk mate… careful crossing the road though as EVs are very quiet as well as long-lasting, powerful and cheap to maintain.

CR, you should visit and expand your horizons.

Capital Retro1:08 pm 16 Jan 25

“………have been sent back to Sydney……”
If they have range problems, where are they going to be recharged en route?
Or they going to on a filthy fossil-fueled float.

You could always use a horse team…..

Capital Retro9:07 am 17 Jan 25

I think horses are not renewable enough.

ChrisinTurner12:45 pm 16 Jan 25

Is this a further example of inadequate testing?

Inadequate Steel & his overemunerated bureaucrats FGS.

Oh great, MLA Steel is a medium for Bjelke-Petersen now, “don’t you worry about that, just you wait and see”.

What does this comment even mean?

They have 4 buses, out of a fleet of over 100, not performing as expected so they’re having that problem addressed by the manufacturer…I fail to see the issue or the supposed cover-up is.

Sometimes the relentless partisanship is amusing, mostly it’s tedious.

MLA Steel has a very long list of failures, including MyWay+, that he and you don’t want people to comment on.

Lol…IDC what you comment on champion. I care about the truth.

If the Liberals had won last term and a bunch of Labor broekns were banging on about a fixable issue affecting less than 4% of the fleet as if EVs don’t work and were claiming it as a massive failure of the new Liberal government rather than just par for the course in managing a large fleet I’d be posting the same things. But that’s the difference between me and you.

BS is BS no matter which political football team you blindly support champ.

If only they were built here in the ACT like the Libs wanted…

I think your making that up!

That Liberals wanted…..WHAT? They didn’t want them….period.

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