Free TV and computer recycling services to start in Canberra

p1 said :

“The ACT Government encourages residents…”

The NSW residents thinking of freeing up some shed space by driving their old CRT across state lines can go and get farked…

Now I feel like making the 40 minute trip just to spite you.

Yeah I’m not going to waste too much time arguing with idiots, but explain to me how you back up a request for evidence?

Even though TAMS has stepped in to demonstrate that Dungfungus has no fcking idea, point to any actual statement I make that says that explicitly states that he is wrong.

I said theories without evidence are bullshit. I’ve then asked for evidence to support his theory. The one pathetic source he offers is irrelevant to Australia, let alone the ACT. I support it with one statement: Australia has ratified the Basel Convention and the US hasn’t. You want evidence for that?

http://archive.basel.int/ratif/convention.htm

Eighth from the top.

Postalgeek said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

if you want to argue someones statement – or even make one of your own, you need your back up to prove your statement. If you want to argue, the burden of proof is on you.

And the point of paraphrasing me is…what?

you argued but didn’t offer a back up – i wasn’t paraphrasing, i was pointing out that you yourself didn’t follow your own rules for debate.

TheDancingDjinn said :

if you want to argue someones statement – or even make one of your own, you need your back up to prove your statement. If you want to argue, the burden of proof is on you.

And the point of paraphrasing me is…what?

dungfungus said :

Call me cynical if you wish but when a multi-national company gets into bed with a government to provide a “free” service to the community then there is a big quid for someone to make.
Very few of these discarded TV/computer items are renovated for re-use with most shipped overseas in otherwise empty containers (very cheap freight rates) where they are dismantled by cheap sweatshop labour (where are you Shorten?) and the tiny (by volume) amounts of high value metals are extracted by dirty carbon polluting processes that wouldn’t be allowed in Australia. The rest of the appliance is dumped wherever it is convenient (probably in the oceans).
Yes, a great inititiave indeed.

As much as we love a good conspiracy theory, let’s put a few facts on the table. The Department of Sustainability, Environment, Water, Population and Communities is responsible for the National Television and Computer Recycling Scheme.

More information about the Scheme, including fact sheets, can be found at http://www.environment.gov.au/settlements/waste/ewaste/index.html

The regulations that support and govern the Scheme can be found at
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2011C00912

These regulations (specifically 3.06) set the material recovery target rate (currently set at 90%).

Section 5.14 of the regulations deal with the reporting requirements that any approved organisation under the Scheme (DHL included) must report to ensure their recyclers deliver services in a safe and environmentally appropriate way.

Standards Australia is developing a joint Australian and New Zealand Standard for the collection, storage, transport, processing, handling, and re-use of e-waste. Meanwhile, an Interim Standard for Collection, Transport and Recycling End of Life Televisions and Computers has been developed by the Australian Information Industry Association and Product Stewardship Australia.

Until now the ACT Government has used local recyclers to process televisions and computers that have been taken to the Mitchell or Mugga transfer stations. If the local recyclers could not cope with the numbers of televisions and computers these were then sent to Sydney or Melbourne.

From tomorrow, one of the existing local recyclers will take as much of the material from Canberra as possible with the excess being transported to other recyclers in Sydney.

Televisions and computers are dismantled into their component parts such as glass, plastic, metals, cables and circuit boards. These are then transported interstate for further processing.

Postalgeek said :

dungfungus said :

Seeing as you are in possession of all the facts, how about you tell me and other Rioters exactly what happens to the computers/TVs etc. after they are accepted at the Mugga Lane tip?
Please set out the step by step process involved starting with where they are shipped to and advise where the stuff that has no value is disposed of and how is this done. Provide links to your sources so I can verify same and please, none of this peer review nonsense.
I won’t hold my breath waiting.

Why would I ever bother doing that? I’m not the one pretending my unsubstantiated opinion is the fact of the matter. Sorry champ, but if you want to play the contrarian who thinks he knows the real deal, burden of proof is on you.

You could be right, but seeing as you can’t even get out of the starting gate when it comes to supporting what you say, we may never know.

Asked for one relevant source, and you call that ‘peer review nonsense’? FFS.

if you want to argue someones statement – or even make one of your own, you need your back up to prove your statement. If you want to argue, the burden of proof is on you.

dungfungus said :

Seeing as you are in possession of all the facts, how about you tell me and other Rioters exactly what happens to the computers/TVs etc. after they are accepted at the Mugga Lane tip?
Please set out the step by step process involved starting with where they are shipped to and advise where the stuff that has no value is disposed of and how is this done. Provide links to your sources so I can verify same and please, none of this peer review nonsense.
I won’t hold my breath waiting.

Why would I ever bother doing that? I’m not the one pretending my unsubstantiated opinion is the fact of the matter. Sorry champ, but if you want to play the contrarian who thinks he knows the real deal, burden of proof is on you.

You could be right, but seeing as you can’t even get out of the starting gate when it comes to supporting what you say, we may never know.

Asked for one relevant source, and you call that ‘peer review nonsense’? FFS.

Although I am all for this initiative, there is one thing I have an issue with.

If you have a working computer, PLEASE don’t take it to the tip. There are charities that need PCs.

I am no way affiliated with this charity, but I’m giving it as an example:
http://www.charitycomputers.com/ (Yes.. It’s Australian. It’s based in Charnwood)

They give your old computer that you were going to chuck out to other organizations and individuals that otherwise could not afford a PC.

Postalgeek said :

dungfungus said :

You want proof? Then start here: http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/technology/2009/June/What-Really-Happens-to-Recycled-and-Donated-Electronics.html

This is a 2009 US-centric article that says US hazardous e-waste ‘can’ end up overseas and how to ensure it doesn’t, mainly because the US hasn’t ratified the Basel Convention. No mention of percentages either, though you’re happy to lead with “Very few of these discarded TV/computer items”.

And this somehow applies to Australia in 2012, which has ratified the Basel Convention?

Anyone would think you were a climate scientist with a theory looking for facts.

Google harder.

Seeing as you are in possession of all the facts, how about you tell me and other Rioters exactly what happens to the computers/TVs etc. after they are accepted at the Mugga Lane tip?
Please set out the step by step process involved starting with where they are shipped to and advise where the stuff that has no value is disposed of and how is this done. Provide links to your sources so I can verify same and please, none of this peer review nonsense.
I won’t hold my breath waiting.

dvaey said :

EvanJames said :

p1 said :

“The ACT Government encourages residents…”

The NSW residents thinking of freeing up some shed space by driving their old CRT across state lines can go and get farked…

Har HAR! Just try and stop us!

To start with, doesnt the toll-booth at the tip check your cars rego number, identifying you as ACT resident?

Also, if this recycling service is federally funded, wouldnt this mean that if interstate people give us their stuff for recycling, that its just like giving money to the ACT government? If they wanna bring their stuff here to throw a bit of money in our pockets instead of their own regions, then why should we complain?

I do have to wonder though, if the recycling scheme starts on Tuesday, does that mean the tip will still be charging full-price for disposal on Monday?

Let Me Think About That…Does Not Start Till “Tuesday”,…Then That Must Mean…No…Wait,I Have it,Yes,On Monday You Pay.I Think That Is How It Works.