Gutless Coppers and neighbourhood hoons

SgtSlaughter 2 July 2011 48

I have an issue with some people who live in my street they regularly have friends over doing burnouts outside their home, I have spoken directly to these fools and was given very direct instructions as to what I should do with my concerns. Several residents have spoken to the Police who have told them that without evidence they can do nothing so they suggested that one neighbour film the burnouts then lodge a formal complaint with Police then be prepared to attend court and testify to that fact. The evidence is all over the road, with one trail running for approx 100 metres and all on the wrong side of the road. I have no problem with any of this but those neighbours worst effected are hesitant due to threats of retaliation from the offenders.

I DO have a problem with the fact that a Senior AFP Officer lives 2 doors away from this house and has decided for the reasons mentioned above (I can only assume) to do nothing, last week was the officers birthday and he had a party attended by over a dozen serving Police officers and whilst the party was in progress the kids (18-22) lit up the car in the street directly out the front of the Police officers house and not one single copper came out.

Surely when the police are too intimidated by a pack of feral kids to do anything what hope the rest of us, do we confront these fools and when told to f-off either do nothing and be exactly what these kids expect a useless whinger who is just trying to spoil their fun or do we do something more pointed that these children will no doubt call the cops for and decent people who are attempting in vain to make their own street safe will be prosecuted for unlawful behaviour by those very same people who are too gutless to do anything about the problem and allowed it to escalate in the first place.


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Pity Pity 1:50 am 06 Sep 11

Before we all get too angry at each other let’s remember who the main issue is with here, the inconsiderate low breed drivers doing the burnouts.

The whole three strikes and your car gets crushed sounds like a good idea to me.

yellowsnow yellowsnow 1:06 am 06 Sep 11

My suggestions (to be followed in exact order):

(1) Post your gripes on Riot Act (tick);
(2) Write letter to Canberra Times (don’t give your real name if your hoon neighbours know it);
(3) Write letter to relevant Minister and also (importantly) an Opposition MLA referring to a terrible law and order issue in your suburb, and how police ain’t doing anything about it;
(4) Video the burnout activity in action, post on You Tube under username like CrazyCanberraCop or copsbehavingbadly or ACTpublichousingtennant or Mulley4eva, then ‘leak’ the link to media after it goes viral
(5) Failing the above, report your neighbours to the terror hotline, noting you have suspicions there is a terror network operating from your street. Ensuing surveillance will provide good evidence of burnouts and other seditious activity. You might want to be careful if your neighbours are of middle eastern or mediterranean appearance as they may be taken out by a US drone or sent to some desert hell hole for ‘rendition’ involving genital electrodes and waterboarding

Nothing focuses the mind of senior police more than negative media or political attention. It won’t take long before they act.

Mickeyau Mickeyau 10:14 pm 05 Sep 11

SgtSlaughter a quick 101 in criminal law, no evidence by definition is called hearsay and it’s not admissible in court. The reason police require evidence is to assist in prosecution. I am pretty sure that “your word” won’t stand up in court on its own. What you should be doing is taking photos and keeping logs to assist an investigating office when you contact your local station to make a report.

vandam vandam 10:08 am 06 Jul 11

Brandi said :

Ah, remember the days when a citizen could report a crime to the police, and they would investigate it.

Now it seems we are expected to perform the surveillance ourselves and serve up their case on a silver platter.

Nevermind the risks we face when taking those HD videos and photos of cars and rego numbers and the likely violent characters driving them.

Police have always relied on the public to assist in providing evidence.

Sgtslaughter,

Maybe you should apply to be a copper and deal with the problem yourself.

Regardless of all the posts on this thread you seem unhappy. Are you just miserable and unhappy with yourself that to make you feel better about yourself you slag someone else on a public forum?

The public forum should be the last place to slag off on someone. Ring your station and see what is happening about it.

Believe it or not, Police do investigate things without the public/street knowledge. And despite Police best efforts to stop antisocial behaviour, it can continue to happen.

Believe it or not, Police do investigate offences more serious and time is spent dealing with those offences. You only need to pick up the paper or read the riot act 😉 to see what Police are dealing with.

Believe it or not, your not the only person in the ACT and Police don’t work for you. Police can’t set up surveillance or become your personal security guard because you simply don’t understand how to deal with your problem appropriately, despite being told time and time again.

Your comments simply place you in the majority of Canberrans. A bunch of arrogant selfish people that care about nothing but themselves. They simply demand services whilst sitting on their arse and doing nothing to assist.

MartyMcFly MartyMcFly 3:44 pm 05 Jul 11

pete74au said :

If the coppers do a good job and arrest the offenders, and the DPP presents the case, the ACT judges just say poor deprived young canberrans and let them go with a very stern warning. You can get away with murder in the ACT, no wonder the coppers are reluctant to press charges for the majority of offences. Get the courts to support the coppers and the rest of the community.

Guns would fix this.

pete74au pete74au 3:37 pm 05 Jul 11

If the coppers do a good job and arrest the offenders, and the DPP presents the case, the ACT judges just say poor deprived young canberrans and let them go with a very stern warning. You can get away with murder in the ACT, no wonder the coppers are reluctant to press charges for the majority of offences. Get the courts to support the coppers and the rest of the community.

Tooks Tooks 3:01 pm 05 Jul 11

Brandi said :

Ah, remember the days when a citizen could report a crime to the police, and they would investigate it.

Now it seems we are expected to perform the surveillance ourselves and serve up their case on a silver platter.

Nevermind the risks we face when taking those HD videos and photos of cars and rego numbers and the likely violent characters driving them.

Hmm, so you’re suggesting police set up surveillance – at a cost of many thousands of dollars – to catch some dickheads doing burnouts. I’d suggest that’s not a good use of police resources.

MartyMcFly MartyMcFly 2:17 pm 05 Jul 11

Hi SgtSlaughter,

Hope all is well? Could you send me the street address please of where these burnouts are taking place? Me and my fellow Holden Barina owners have been looking for a place for us to do burnouts and not be harassed by police or people from the community while we do the things we love… Are burnouts such a crime??? we’re not killing baby seals as a result are we??? War is not the answer… burnouts are.

take care!

dpm dpm 9:24 pm 04 Jul 11

Wow, TOUGH neighbourhood!

I have to say though, at first glance and with only minimal info, it does come acrosss as odd that a pipe bomb gets let off elsewhere and cops are (apparently) around looking for the pranksters that night. Yet (apparent) ongoing burnouts in the same street as an Police Officer (apparently) gets a ‘public forum for the residents of the street’. (Just out of interest, what is the desired outcome of the forum and who organised it? Is it to try to persuade and rehabilitate the offenders to please stop, thanks? Or to organise other actions, such as videoing?)
To me with minimal facts of the whole story, it sounds like a scary scenario for the neighbours! I’d be frustrated if it was my street and we were at the stage of knowledge regarding the issue to have a public forum (which would surely mean multiple people were aware and/or witnesses to the burnouts etc), and yet there wasn’t anything else available within the legal system to deal with the issue. Best of luck and fingers crossed on a good outcome for you all. As I said: TOUGH neighbourhood!

Classified Classified 8:49 pm 04 Jul 11

BT1234 said :

As I’m sure you are aware, there will be a public forum for the residents of the street to attend where you will be provided with information and the opportunity to voice your concerns with police and other residents.. In light of your mindless rant, I’m sure your attendance can be expected.

So just to be clear, police will come to the public meeting and chat about concerns?

el el 8:36 pm 04 Jul 11

Right…

So:

OP and neighbours have approached the police and been advised exactly what they need to do to make a proper complaint.

OP and neighbours are too lazy to bother following this advice, yet the ‘coppers’ are being called ‘gutless’?!

BT1234 BT1234 8:01 pm 04 Jul 11

SgtSlaughter – as the relative of the so called ‘gutless police officer’ in your street, I find your comments offensive and counter productive to helping the current situation. If you are concerned with the actions (or lack of action) of the off duty police officers at a birthday party (which took place over a month ago) you have had ample opportunity to make the short trip up the street and raise those concerns. Your visit is still pending.
As I’m sure you are aware, there will be a public forum for the residents of the street to attend where you will be provided with information and the opportunity to voice your concerns with police and other residents.. In light of your mindless rant, I’m sure your attendance can be expected.

Jethro Jethro 7:37 pm 04 Jul 11

I’m not going to argue that the off-duty police officer should have intervened. The timing and situation were inappropriate. However, if he is a police officer and he is aware that these people are doing this on a regular basis, surely he can (and should) do something about it. If he is aware of serial offenders continuously breaking the law and putting lives at risk, surely he is duty bound to do take action. To continuously turn a blind eye to ongoing criminal behaviour seems like the wrong thing to do.

buzz819 buzz819 6:51 pm 04 Jul 11

Spideydog said :

EvanJames said :

However, some people here have said that the OP should go speak to the bad neighbours. Would it be better for the other residents to gather evidence and present it to the police, or should they go confront them directly?

Mostly from what I have seen, the general tone appears to be saying NOT to confront them. But while we are on the subject and to answer the point you have raised, the OP does state that he went to speak with the individuals previously about their behaviour and was promptly told to “Sod Off” (putting it politely) So this tells me that directly engaging these individuals is a lost cause and has been demonstrated to only inflame the situation. The OP now wants apparent off duty police to do what he has done ….. a saying comes to mind “stupid is doing something over and over, expecting different results”

So to answer your question, when someone has already engaged (hopefully in a diplomatic manner) with the persons involved and has resulted in a very negative result, yes, gather the evidence, garner some neighbourly support and report it to ON DUTY police to be investigated impartially and independently (something that the good SgtSlaughter can’t understand apparently)

If this is happening soooooo frequently as been presented by the OP, well getting the required evidence can’t be hard at all.

SgtSlaughter said :

A quick note for those saying the poor Policeman should remain locked up in safe house and not go talk to the scary boys up the street here’s a slice of reality for you.
Police officers are SWORN to uphold the law not to uphold the law when it suits them sorry.

So Mr Confrontation, show me where it says that Police members are on duty 24/7, then we will talk about WHO needs a reality check or not !!!!!

No point arguing with the OP.

They are emotional and the only outlet they have is blaming others, they’d rather blame an off duty Police officer, who if they were to do anything court wise, would be blasted out of court for being involved in the situation, then focusing on finding ways to stop the young fella and friends doing burnouts.

Good luck OP, remember if you start hassling those you want help from, you may not receive the level of help you want. Good work on showing so much emotion in a post as well.

Spideydog Spideydog 5:33 pm 04 Jul 11

EvanJames said :

However, some people here have said that the OP should go speak to the bad neighbours. Would it be better for the other residents to gather evidence and present it to the police, or should they go confront them directly?

Mostly from what I have seen, the general tone appears to be saying NOT to confront them. But while we are on the subject and to answer the point you have raised, the OP does state that he went to speak with the individuals previously about their behaviour and was promptly told to “Sod Off” (putting it politely) So this tells me that directly engaging these individuals is a lost cause and has been demonstrated to only inflame the situation. The OP now wants apparent off duty police to do what he has done ….. a saying comes to mind “stupid is doing something over and over, expecting different results”

So to answer your question, when someone has already engaged (hopefully in a diplomatic manner) with the persons involved and has resulted in a very negative result, yes, gather the evidence, garner some neighbourly support and report it to ON DUTY police to be investigated impartially and independently (something that the good SgtSlaughter can’t understand apparently)

If this is happening soooooo frequently as been presented by the OP, well getting the required evidence can’t be hard at all.

SgtSlaughter said :

A quick note for those saying the poor Policeman should remain locked up in safe house and not go talk to the scary boys up the street here’s a slice of reality for you.
Police officers are SWORN to uphold the law not to uphold the law when it suits them sorry.

So Mr Confrontation, show me where it says that Police members are on duty 24/7, then we will talk about WHO needs a reality check or not !!!!!

Silveras Silveras 4:33 pm 04 Jul 11

I recommend the first step to be to go and confront them about it. They shouldn’t be unreasonable about it and hopefully you’ll be able to resolve the conflict you have with them in a rational manner.

johnboy johnboy 3:00 pm 04 Jul 11

Or send it to us, we love video!

KaptnKaos KaptnKaos 2:58 pm 04 Jul 11

Agree with most on gathering video evidence, but seeing there is no police action send a copy to channels 7 and 9 to their current affairs shows and let them know of this. Police, councils and pollies seem to wake up and do something when there is pressure from a national TV station.

Punter Punter 10:48 am 04 Jul 11

The OP seems to have made little to no effort to solve his own problems but rather expects his neighbour who apparently is a copper to sort it for him. The comment “(I can only assume)” hints the OP hasn’t even made the effort to discuss the issue with the neighbour. It is still not clear what steps the OP has taken to engage the Police who are on duty. I would think this matter should be logged and recorded through the same avenues as all matters requiring Police intervention so the Police may remain transparent and accountable.

Other neighbours apparently have contacted Police and it has been outlined what is required (eg. witness statements, testimony in Court etc.) but this has been dismissed saying “the evidence is all over the road”. The OP has some, what seems to me to be unrealistic expectations for ‘off duty’ Police but rather than try to understand what goods reasons may exist, continues to attack what he doesn’t or hasn’t tried to understand. While the OP did not ask for advice, there have been several common sense suggestions. But rather than accept this advice, the OP continues to attack Police and the neighbour.

I suggest the OP should be in touch with Police and his neighbour to discuss what he can do to help solve the problem and gain some understanding instead of sitting on his arse ranting to RA. Perhaps there is unknown motivation for these attacks. Perhaps he has fallen out with the neighbour or was on the pointy end of a traffic ticket at some time. Whatever the case, he can expect nothing to happen if he doesn’t get involved to some level. A lot of posts have pointed out what was wrong with the OP but it’s clear he was right about one thing, he is a useless whinger.

Brandi Brandi 10:39 am 04 Jul 11

Ah, remember the days when a citizen could report a crime to the police, and they would investigate it.

Now it seems we are expected to perform the surveillance ourselves and serve up their case on a silver platter.

Nevermind the risks we face when taking those HD videos and photos of cars and rego numbers and the likely violent characters driving them.

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