Here comes Tralee

johnboy 18 November 2010 41

The ABC informs us that Queanbeyan City Council has approved the Tralee development.

It’s now a matter for the NSW Government to re-zone the land before the 10,000 dwelling population under the airport’s flight paths can go ahead.

Queanbeyan Mayor Tim Overall says Tralee is part of a plan to create 10,000 dwellings for the region and is crucial to the local economy.

“The important thing here is that south Tralee along with Googong, are really two major new developments which will allow for the construction of new greenfield developments in Queanbeyan,” he said.

Now who can bribe the carpet baggers from the NSW Government better?

UPDATE: The Greens’ Shane Rattenbury is using this to call for a curfew of the airport.


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astrojax astrojax 2:20 pm 20 Apr 11

Erg0 said :

If I were running the airport I’d be diverting as much traffic as possible over that area during the land sales period. Maybe even get the Southcare chopper to do a fly-by or two. Might weed out a few of the inevitable whingers before they get to the point of actually purchasing the land.

back in the news this thing, the airport having resorted to the tactic of acquiring 10% of the development zoned land. well, that seems to be what they say, but i must say i am confused; if the development goes ahead (and purportedly with a caveat on reporting aircraft noise) won’t they just either develop and make money or the site will have 10% ‘park’..? how will who owns the land affect a decision on what the land might be used for?

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 7:18 am 23 Nov 10

Knows Best said :

What!!……. and compromise the heavily dominated Labor Party holdings in the Commonwealth and ACT governments within the ACT……don’t be so naive!!

Canberra will vote Labor regardless of the idiocy our pollies serve up.

Knows Best Knows Best 10:01 pm 22 Nov 10

What!!……. and compromise the heavily dominated Labor Party holdings in the Commonwealth and ACT governments within the ACT……don’t be so naive!!

Postalgeek Postalgeek 2:56 pm 20 Nov 10

Knows Best said :

Chewy the number of people in Tralee is miniscule compared with the population of Canberra. Why do you think that 10,000 people will have a greater voice than the other 400,000 people in Canberra? Do you honestly believe that a pollie would be that stupid to give weight to those in Tralee? Of course they won’t but the Airport has convinced everybody that Tralee would lead to noise sharing. It’s ridiculous and it is against current Commonwealth Government policy for greenfield sites.

Understand that you are talking about Eden-Monaro, the most famous bellwether seat in Australia.

Knows Best Knows Best 12:35 pm 20 Nov 10

Sepi, actually the noise contours are produced by the Canberra Airport in THEIR masterplan and yes I do take them with a grain of salt. Have a look at the Senate White paper this year about airports and noise and Canberra Airport got a pasting about their noise contours as having an exaggerated number of planes coming and going to distort their noise figures. Also Tralee is some 15kms from the airport and receives most arrivals into Canberra. If you live on the northern side where 80% of take offs take place which are a lot noisier then you will cope greater noise than in the south.
Chewy the number of people in Tralee is miniscule compared with the population of Canberra. Why do you think that 10,000 people will have a greater voice than the other 400,000 people in Canberra? Do you honestly believe that a pollie would be that stupid to give weight to those in Tralee? Of course they won’t but the Airport has convinced everybody that Tralee would lead to noise sharing. It’s ridiculous and it is against current Commonwealth Government policy for greenfield sites.

sepi sepi 4:52 pm 19 Nov 10

I’m interested in the noise maps, but I can’t open them. Anyone got a simpler version?

I know we get noise at our house in the inner north. I know it is annoying. I think intentionally building a stack of houses where there will be aircraft noise (even within apparently ‘acceptable limits’) is not smart.

The aircraft noise in my suburb is apparently within ‘acceptable limits’ and it is pretty intrusive, and loud enough to wake you up at 6.15 when the planes start. Despite double glazing and insulation and a double brick house.

If your research is reading govt noise reports I’d be taking it with a grain of salt.

chewy14 chewy14 4:25 pm 19 Nov 10

@KnowsBest,
no what I am saying is that whinging Nimby’s don’t understand contour lines on a map and wouldn’t care about them even if they did.
A critical mass of whingers have more political power than a reasoned argument.
Underestimating the stupidity of someone who would buy a house under a flight path is a mistake I think Canberra may have to suffer for in the future.

And also for the record I agree with P1:

p1 said :

And before I am accused of toeing the airport party line, I think that the Airport and associated developments are the worst collection of misplaced and poorly serviced abominations in the ACT.

Knows Best Knows Best 3:51 pm 19 Nov 10

I gather that people understand that Tralee is located outside of the calculated noise contours that are based on the ultimate capacity of Canberra Airport with a plane landing/leaving every 3-4 minutes. This is about 280,000 aircraft movements annually which is equal to the movements at Sydney Airport today. Do you honesty believe that Canberra Airport will be as large as Sydney with has 4mill people given that the ACT population is unlikely to increase above 600,000 people. You don’t think that the Airport has exaggerated its claims a little??
Sepi, the difference between your views and mine about gullibility is that I have done the research, you just repeat what the airport says and the more you say the less it shows that you have done no research on this at all.

Knows Best Knows Best 3:38 pm 19 Nov 10

p1 the flyover is already on the radar as part of future upgrades along Monaro Highway and secondly the 1500 homes in Tralee pales into insignificance when compared to the already huge numbers of cars that use the highway from the south already. From a traffic engineers point of view and I know something about this, the contribution from Tralee amounts to very little from a lane capacity point of view. The flyover joins a NSW`State Road and a partly Commonwealth funded Monaro Hwy.
farq……glad to see you back you still seem to have no idea about affordable housing at the end of the day you don’t have to live there, why not let others decide where they want to live!!
Chewy14 you seem to agree that the airport can already create aircraft noise as it pleases for existing houses in the ACT and be pardoned. Do you really think that residents who buy into Tralee, knowing where aircraft fly will be taken seriously about perceived aircraft noise..hardly.
Tralee housing is located outside of similar noise contours that exist for Sydney Airport.

farq farq 12:36 pm 19 Nov 10

The VBC is selling out the region’s long term economic future for a short term profit.

Canberra will lose everything that makes is unique and special if we allow lazy-ass, uninspired, overcrowded developments like Tralee, Crace, Forde to become the norm.

Shame Ken, shame. How about you think about the kind of city you are creating for our kids to live in instead of next years bottom line?

p1 p1 12:24 pm 19 Nov 10

Knows Best said :

watto23 the developers are responsible for any upgrades along the Monaro Hwy as part of a State Planning Agreement. There will be a road through Hume.

Sweet, I look forward to the flyover that they will be putting in on the highway at Hume so that there is not increased usage of the traffic light. Removing those traffic lights should offset the increased traffic at least a little.

You did say they would be paying for a bridge yes? Because simply upgrading won’t help if everybody travelling along the highway has to sit at the lights for three times as long.

And before I am accused of toeing the airport party line, I think that the Airport and associated developments are the worst collection of misplaced and poorly serviced abominations in the ACT.

chewy14 chewy14 11:53 am 19 Nov 10

DeadlySchnauzer said :

I am pretty sure this is just all about publicity (seeing as the airport ignores community complaints anyways). The airport already gets enough grief and bad publicity from Jerra and Hackett residents… they just don’t want the 30% more bad publicity they will get from Tralee.

So what you’re saying is the already populated areas create complaints even though the noise level is apparently fine and the airport should not worry about a completely new set of possible whingers moving in next door?

Yeah the airport is obviously scaremongering.

Anyone want to run a book on when the first noise complaints will eminate from Tralee?

sepi sepi 11:28 am 19 Nov 10

I am amazed at how gullible people are and who are all to happy to believe eveything that Developers say!!

DeadlySchnauzer DeadlySchnauzer 11:14 am 19 Nov 10

Knows Best said :

I am amazed at how gullible people are and who are all to happy to believe eveything the airport says!!

Amen to that. Clearly if Tralee gets built we will have jets flying all over Canberra. We know this because the airport says so. And clearly they have no vested interest whatsoever.

I am pretty sure this is just all about publicity (seeing as the airport ignores community complaints anyways). The airport already gets enough grief and bad publicity from Jerra and Hackett residents… they just don’t want the 30% more bad publicity they will get from Tralee.

Knows Best Knows Best 7:11 pm 18 Nov 10

Sorry Swaggie the ANEF compensates for different elevations and therefore Tralee is outside the contours where housing is not permitted.
watto23 the developers are responsible for any upgrades along the Monaro Hwy as part of a State Planning Agreement. There will be a road through Hume. You should be more concerned that the ACT Government spends money on upgrading Monaro Hwy it is congested already!!
P1 the airport does not control where planes go this is controlled by government legislation, the ILS and flight corridors.
Again Sepi you have no idea what an ANEF is and the planning laws that apply across Australia that use the ANEF principle. Do you work for Canberra Airport?
D2 there will be a notation on the land title advising buyers to undertake their own due diligence about aircraft noise. If they buy then they cannot agitate about noise sharing and in any case Commonwealth policy prevents noise sharing on greenfield sites.
Mr Gillespie seems you have been captured by the Airport’s fear campaign. Have you even read the Local Evironmental Study LES for Tralee? I assume not!! The issue is NOT about flight paths it is about noise and Tralee meets all the planning legislation in NSW.

I am amazed at how gullible people are and who are all to happy to believe eveything the airport says!!

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 5:20 pm 18 Nov 10

Erg0 said :

If I were running the airport I’d be diverting as much traffic as possible over that area during the land sales period. Maybe even get the Southcare chopper to do a fly-by or two. Might weed out a few of the inevitable whingers before they get to the point of actually purchasing the land.

Sorry to be a stick in the mud but Airservices Australia probably determine aviation arrangements at and around airports, not Snow and his mob at CIA.

p1 p1 4:59 pm 18 Nov 10

Erg0 said :

If I were running the airport I’d be diverting as much traffic as possible over that area during the land sales period. Maybe even get the Southcare chopper to do a fly-by or two. Might weed out a few of the inevitable whingers before they get to the point of actually purchasing the land.

They could get the loudest plane around and just have it doing laps all day… The RAAF will have some F111s to get rid of soon…

Erg0 Erg0 4:53 pm 18 Nov 10

If I were running the airport I’d be diverting as much traffic as possible over that area during the land sales period. Maybe even get the Southcare chopper to do a fly-by or two. Might weed out a few of the inevitable whingers before they get to the point of actually purchasing the land.

watto23 watto23 4:40 pm 18 Nov 10

I just hope the ACT government don’t let them build a road through hume and force them through Jerrabomberra. I bet the developers wouldn’t pay to upgrade the Hume highway, if they just push more traffic onto it.

I’m thinking the ACT government should have built that new gas fired datacentre right on the border with Tralee 🙂

James-T-Kirk James-T-Kirk 4:12 pm 18 Nov 10

Swaggie said :

Deadly – I read something about the land at Tralee being higher above sea level than Jerrabomberra and so, while the aircraft are higher in the sky, the aircraft height above the houses will be about the same as at Jerra. The maps have never really made much sense but the height aspect is a part of their argument.

Oh No – Jerra couldn’t possibly be a low lying slum???

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