Here comes Tralee

Knows Best said :

watto23 the developers are responsible for any upgrades along the Monaro Hwy as part of a State Planning Agreement. There will be a road through Hume.

Sweet, I look forward to the flyover that they will be putting in on the highway at Hume so that there is not increased usage of the traffic light. Removing those traffic lights should offset the increased traffic at least a little.

You did say they would be paying for a bridge yes? Because simply upgrading won’t help if everybody travelling along the highway has to sit at the lights for three times as long.

And before I am accused of toeing the airport party line, I think that the Airport and associated developments are the worst collection of misplaced and poorly serviced abominations in the ACT.

DeadlySchnauzer said :

I am pretty sure this is just all about publicity (seeing as the airport ignores community complaints anyways). The airport already gets enough grief and bad publicity from Jerra and Hackett residents… they just don’t want the 30% more bad publicity they will get from Tralee.

So what you’re saying is the already populated areas create complaints even though the noise level is apparently fine and the airport should not worry about a completely new set of possible whingers moving in next door?

Yeah the airport is obviously scaremongering.

Anyone want to run a book on when the first noise complaints will eminate from Tralee?

I am amazed at how gullible people are and who are all to happy to believe eveything that Developers say!!

Knows Best said :

I am amazed at how gullible people are and who are all to happy to believe eveything the airport says!!

Amen to that. Clearly if Tralee gets built we will have jets flying all over Canberra. We know this because the airport says so. And clearly they have no vested interest whatsoever.

I am pretty sure this is just all about publicity (seeing as the airport ignores community complaints anyways). The airport already gets enough grief and bad publicity from Jerra and Hackett residents… they just don’t want the 30% more bad publicity they will get from Tralee.

Sorry Swaggie the ANEF compensates for different elevations and therefore Tralee is outside the contours where housing is not permitted.
watto23 the developers are responsible for any upgrades along the Monaro Hwy as part of a State Planning Agreement. There will be a road through Hume. You should be more concerned that the ACT Government spends money on upgrading Monaro Hwy it is congested already!!
P1 the airport does not control where planes go this is controlled by government legislation, the ILS and flight corridors.
Again Sepi you have no idea what an ANEF is and the planning laws that apply across Australia that use the ANEF principle. Do you work for Canberra Airport?
D2 there will be a notation on the land title advising buyers to undertake their own due diligence about aircraft noise. If they buy then they cannot agitate about noise sharing and in any case Commonwealth policy prevents noise sharing on greenfield sites.
Mr Gillespie seems you have been captured by the Airport’s fear campaign. Have you even read the Local Evironmental Study LES for Tralee? I assume not!! The issue is NOT about flight paths it is about noise and Tralee meets all the planning legislation in NSW.

I am amazed at how gullible people are and who are all to happy to believe eveything the airport says!!

Erg0 said :

If I were running the airport I’d be diverting as much traffic as possible over that area during the land sales period. Maybe even get the Southcare chopper to do a fly-by or two. Might weed out a few of the inevitable whingers before they get to the point of actually purchasing the land.

Sorry to be a stick in the mud but Airservices Australia probably determine aviation arrangements at and around airports, not Snow and his mob at CIA.

Erg0 said :

If I were running the airport I’d be diverting as much traffic as possible over that area during the land sales period. Maybe even get the Southcare chopper to do a fly-by or two. Might weed out a few of the inevitable whingers before they get to the point of actually purchasing the land.

They could get the loudest plane around and just have it doing laps all day… The RAAF will have some F111s to get rid of soon…

If I were running the airport I’d be diverting as much traffic as possible over that area during the land sales period. Maybe even get the Southcare chopper to do a fly-by or two. Might weed out a few of the inevitable whingers before they get to the point of actually purchasing the land.

I just hope the ACT government don’t let them build a road through hume and force them through Jerrabomberra. I bet the developers wouldn’t pay to upgrade the Hume highway, if they just push more traffic onto it.

I’m thinking the ACT government should have built that new gas fired datacentre right on the border with Tralee 🙂

Swaggie said :

Deadly – I read something about the land at Tralee being higher above sea level than Jerrabomberra and so, while the aircraft are higher in the sky, the aircraft height above the houses will be about the same as at Jerra. The maps have never really made much sense but the height aspect is a part of their argument.

Oh No – Jerra couldn’t possibly be a low lying slum???

Deadly – I read something about the land at Tralee being higher above sea level than Jerrabomberra and so, while the aircraft are higher in the sky, the aircraft height above the houses will be about the same as at Jerra. The maps have never really made much sense but the height aspect is a part of their argument.

Peewee Slasher said :

Ingeniously minded excapees may even utilise the Jerrabomberra Creek in a kayak and take the slower but more scenic escape route to the west (that’ll fool the authorities). I’m thinking along the lines of the Shawshank Redemption.

Alternately, they could head east, through the wetlands, past the high court, and deal with a small drop down the wall of the Scrivener dam. 🙂

In answer to Mr Gillespie, I advise that developers are from the planet “Letsmakeashitloadofmoney”.

Actually, placing the prison near Jerrabomberra and Tralee, (both suburbs of Queanbeyan) was very strategic. The government figured out that escapees would sieze their chance to flee the borough of Canberra into NSW and claim asylum. The government has even considerately provided nearby helicopters to aid with escape plans.

Ingeniously minded excapees may even utilise the Jerrabomberra Creek in a kayak and take the slower but more scenic escape route to the west (that’ll fool the authorities). I’m thinking along the lines of the Shawshank Redemption.

Think I’ll just sit back, wait 10 years and look forward to the daily barrage to letters to the editor from Traleans who want a second airport.

The thing is the noise will be bearable now, but will increase in years to come, and then people will get upset and complain.

Mr Gillespie said :

The Tralee developers must be deaf, dumb and blind, or something!! They have been told MANY TIMES this is an UNSUITABLE location for residential development but they just keep pressing ahead and pressing ahead! What planet are these developers from??

I say to all who live under airport flight paths: MOVE ELSEWHERE or SHUTUP WHINGEING!!

+1

Although no, the developers aren’t deaf, dumb and blind. They know that there will be enough idiots to buy their McMansions and faux-Tuscan villas under the flight path to make them lots of money. After all, they (the developers) wouldn’t live there.

It could be solved by adding a clause to the purchase contract that the purchaser and all subsequent purchasers relinquish any rights now and in perpetuity to complain about the noise and the pollution.

georgesgenitals said :

James-T-Kirk said :

Hey – While we are talking about amazing property deals, I have been approached by a farmer who has a massive block of land in Chernobyl that he wants to sell – I was thinking of buying it and putting a couple of hundred units on it.

What are your thoughts?

Worked for Crace.

Yea, you’re right –

Anybody remember the old Naval Transmitting station in Belconnen? The one where there were all of the PCB oils in the transformers. That land must be up for release now, and going cheap. I might be able to get a development up there easily?

I will admit I was too late to snap up the land that the old McKellar tip was on. Others beat me to it. I wonder how their foundations are holding up?

Stupid schmucks will buy land anywhere……….

James-T-Kirk said :

Hey – While we are talking about amazing property deals, I have been approached by a farmer who has a massive block of land in Chernobyl that he wants to sell – I was thinking of buying it and putting a couple of hundred units on it.

Nah, it would be a poor investment. There has been a oversupply of cheap apartments there since about 26 April 1986.

You would be better off starting the movement to have the flight path moved, and send each new resident a application to join your group when they buy their block.

James-T-Kirk said :

Hey – While we are talking about amazing property deals, I have been approached by a farmer who has a massive block of land in Chernobyl that he wants to sell – I was thinking of buying it and putting a couple of hundred units on it.

What are your thoughts?

Worked for Crace.

Hey – While we are talking about amazing property deals, I have been approached by a farmer who has a massive block of land in Chernobyl that he wants to sell – I was thinking of buying it and putting a couple of hundred units on it.

What are your thoughts?

The Tralee developers must be deaf, dumb and blind, or something!! They have been told MANY TIMES this is an UNSUITABLE location for residential development but they just keep pressing ahead and pressing ahead! What planet are these developers from??

I say to all who live under airport flight paths: MOVE ELSEWHERE or SHUTUP WHINGEING!!

Hmmm

This one needs careful analysis…

Airport – ACT land

Tralee – NSW land

Al of the above are far enough away from my place that I DON’T CARE!

homeone said :

No matter what caveats are put on the sale of the land – even if it says “under a flight path that will have increasing use” and of course it won’t say that – sooner or later we’ll all end up ‘sharing’ the noise.

Of course, the ACT could have located its new prison somewhere other than right next to the NSW border, and could also have developed industrial land somewhere other than right next to Queanbeyan.

Enjoy the noise sharing, assholes.

Will be interesting to see whether Canberra Airport kicks up their scare campaign another notch. And once again I make the point that Tralee will experience less noise than Jerrabombera already does (according to the airports own noise maps, see http://www.canberraairport.com.au/air_noise/noise_maps.cfm ).

So whats the big deal? On the one hand the airport tells us that the residents of Jerrabombera are just a bunch of whingers and should suck it up when it comes to a 24 hour freight hub, but on the other hand they tell us that if Tralee gets built the pits of hell will open up and 747s will be flying over every house in Canberra.

Can someone please explain the double standard?

Aha so they are getting in before the NSW guvmnt is confined to the dustbin of history. Bob probably aleready knows who has to be paid what to get the result he wants, and the stinking pile of corruption that Bob Carr and cronies established won’t have a problem with dodgy favours for mates when they know they’re already gone at the next election.

Sometimes democracy for all its virtues does the public no favours at all.

No matter what caveats are put on the sale of the land – even if it says “under a flight path that will have increasing use” and of course it won’t say that – sooner or later we’ll all end up ‘sharing’ the noise.

Will there be “affordable housing” in Tralee? I assume it all will be since I can’t imagine people wanting to spend much so that they can live in a suburb under a flight path and near a tip and a prison?

With all the money the airport group has put into disrupting the Tralee development, it amazes me that they haven’t simply transplanted some rare endangered legless rock turtles or something.

I like how the Canberra Airport is “concerned about traffic”. Pity they don’t show the same concern for traffic for their own airport ventures.

Surely the people intending on moving there are not so stupid as to not be aware it’s under a flight path? Or are they under the impression the airport will change the flight path just for them??

I guarantee that in 10 years time we will hear the complaints about aircraft noice. Don’t say they didn’t warn you!

Relying

Are they still reying on the ACT Govt granting them access through Hume, or is Lanyon Dr just going to turn into a bigger car park?