Here we go again – The Clea Rose inquest commences

johnboy 8 May 2007 101

The ABC reports that the coronial inquest into the death of Clea Rose has begun.

No surprises so far.

UPDATED: The Canberra Times reports that the coroner, Karen Fryar, promised the Rose family in writing that her investigating officers would not be the same police who conducted the investigation into the accident. This is not the case.

With the transparency we’ve come to expect from the AFP, the Rose family’s counsel was then shut down by counsel representing the police involved in the chase.


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Pandy Pandy 8:36 pm 15 May 07

Did you see the fat woman that they pixellated on WIn tonite? Mother of one of the kids in the car. Apparently he was asleep in the back during the chase?

Special G Special G 6:41 pm 15 May 07

Coverage of this event has slowly slipped from the front page CT into obscurity. Maybe people are over it. RA has stopped putting up every new article onto the front page.

Todays article about the evidence given by the Police officers involved had the family’s solicitor saying they weren’t trying to blame them. What a load of crap. The family has been trying to blame anyone but the kid responsible.

The article on him the other day told of a scared 15yr old running from the Police. Again crap. He thought of it as a game right up until Clea bounced off the bonnet. He had been through the Court system enough times that he knew there were no consequenses.

Used to be a time people were scared of the Police because they knew when they were caught they copped an arse kicking. Then a far worse arse kicking when they got home from dad. Obviously not the case here.

Old man Rose should have simply said “Kid you are going to have to move Country because if I every come across you again you’ll be mistaken for one of Ivan Malats backpackers. Belanglo is not even that far to drive.”

All the family have done in this case is highlight to numpty that there are no consequenses for his actions and its fine to blame others for them,

Rant over

chester chester 11:44 am 12 May 07

Actually the person I’d like to hear some legal comment on in regard to this is boomacat. Because for those of you who aren’t onto it yet, they are either:
1. a lay person who knows a helluva lot about the law
2. a legal professional; or as one previous post of theirs suggested (that I don’t have time to fish out),
3. a member of the judiciary

Number 3 was, in fact, my initial reaction when I read it. But a judge or magistrate involving themselves in this, even with the protection of anonymity, would seem to be far too risky a move. So my money is currently on #2.

Boomacat’s recent post was set out precisely as someone who was intimately acquainted with the law and familiar with the way judicial decisions are made and reported.

chester chester 9:54 pm 11 May 07

Secrecy in organisations in legislated by the government on many things – take the privacy act for one.

Actually Special G secrecy provisions that is, where governments can with hold information, are actually quite limited if you care to actually read the legislation, es[ecially in regard to personal information. And there would be few acts where secrecy is more limited than the Privacy Act precisely because it deals primarily with the private information of individuals including sensitive and medical/health information which are two areas in particular where secrecy provisions are far more limited.

For example, Stahope is a subject to my Privacy complaint precisely because the information exchange between CIT and his office is not supported by either FOI or Privacy legislation. Indeed, I will be able to obtain most if not all the documents they currently refused to hand over because of legal privilege under an FOI review. There is a considerable amount of case law on this already. Government departments and ministers know it but they use it as a delaying tactic to force you through another process of appeal before they are forced to hand over the goods.

It’s realy nothing more than the behaviour of charlatans, fraudsters and cowards whose cases are so weak they will happily use their copious resources and a shitload of public money to try to avoid their own liability.

Matters of public interest, state-Commonwealth and state-state relations or national security are the main areas where secrecy provisions can be trotted out as an excuse.

DJ DJ 8:26 pm 11 May 07

Wrong tree? Just barking I reckon. Somebody must have really bruised his fragile ego and was wearing a blue shirt at the time… he must be on serious heartburn meds.

Learn how to relax and the other eye will eventually open.

Special G Special G 7:19 pm 11 May 07

Hey, I’ve been here for about 5 years and telling JB to get off his crusade against corruption. The boy is barking up the wrong tree. Its only been in the last couple of months that he has started spitting the dummy. I wonder what has changed. Kerces moving to Kiama is the only thing I can think of.

Heres one for you JB – Secrecy in organisations in legislated by the government on many things – take the privacy act for one.
Lack of scrutiny – More scrutiny than any other job. Internal investigations, Ombudsman, ministers, public, media.

Face it – Police get it right or wrong you will still find something to pick on.

In this case – 15 yr old ‘WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING CLEA ROSE’ caught convicted and sentenced.

Rock and a hard place.

chester chester 4:49 pm 11 May 07

And ad hominen attacks against anybody have no place on any self-respecting forum. Look and learn those of you who have trouble grasping this concept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominen

Those who persist in such conduct say far more about their own in adequacies than they ever could about the person their mindless attacks are directed to.

simbo simbo 11:24 pm 10 May 07

I do find it interesting that a bunch of relatively new arrivals (never heard of Downy, MRB or yogie47 before this story showed up) are all doing the big “shut up”. None of the long termers (well, except for Bonfire, but who listens to him) are.

What does this suggest? Well, yeah, I know I’ve occasionally accused JB of indulging his inner Woodward-and-Bernsttein occasionally, but in this case, there’s such a mountain of smoke, it’d be quite surprising if there wasn’t at least some fire in here…

johnboy johnboy 10:10 pm 10 May 07

I don’t detest the AFP at all.

I think that most of the police on the ground are honest and hard working.

But I think a culture of secrecy and a lack of scrutiny is a problem for any organisation and the signs are starting to show.

Much easier to clean up early rather than later.

nyssa76 nyssa76 10:03 pm 10 May 07

Actually Downie, I’m on the record here for detesting the AFP more than JB…but that’s another story.

johnboy johnboy 9:43 pm 10 May 07

bye bye then Downy.

Downy Downy 9:39 pm 10 May 07

Give it a rest jb. you might wonder why the same 15 people are posting – maybe because no-one else is reading due to your inane and baseless rants that are quickly becoming tiresome. your manevolence is all too apparent towards the AFP and your tiny brain explosions, at first comical and entertaining, now smell of Alan Jones-type victimisation. Try another target, or let another administrator take over. You bore us.

johnboy johnboy 8:38 pm 10 May 07

And the 15 year old has been convicted and sentenced.

Now we turn to why the police broke their procedures, had faulty recording equipment, and have been dishonest and evasive in the aftermath.

DJ DJ 8:29 pm 10 May 07

Why has everybody forgotten that it was an inexperienced 15yr old at the wheel. He stole the car…. he was found guilty of the offence. Even if he isn’t doing an appropriate (IMHO) sentence for the offence HE KILLED HER… NOT THE POLICE. The kid caused her death and the fact Police have managed to put him before the courts and have guilty verdict delivered should be an indication that they did their jobs well.

The 15yr old is guilty. Period.

yogie47 yogie47 8:17 pm 10 May 07

Teddy Bear what is the coronial process going to do for the family. They already know there was not immediate pursuit, i.e. the Police were not chasing the car when it hit her. I’m pretty sure that they had only just noticed it driving in a dangerous manner and were in the process of trying to locate it to decide what to do with it. No one new it was a stolen car until long after poor clae had been struck. This process will only benefit the media and the lawyers, not her family.

teddy bear teddy bear 1:09 pm 10 May 07

You have a point shauno. What I was trying to get across was that lots of people lose loved ones (look at all the accidents, hit runs, workplace deaths, murders and the like).

Many, if not most, are subject to a Coroner’s inquiry. Leaving that aside, I see no good reason for the family of the victim to be told to “get over it” by someone who hasn’t gone through the same trauma and has no idea of how these people are feeling or the full circumstances of the case.

Most people do move on at their own pace, but they may never get over it. My sister lost a child to SIDS. She has moved on but has never got over it (it was a twin and the surviving twin is a constant reminder).

Special G Special G 11:11 am 10 May 07

Chester, You need to look at the facts of this one. As Mael said this ne has been debated at length.

The theif saw Police at the legislative assembly carpark. Already in the city.

He then did a runner along London Cct and turned into East Row. He probably didn’t even know the Police were chasing him at the time.

It was more that he had been busted and was going to get away by whatever means necessary. eg. drive through area where Police are likely to call off the pursuit.

Chesters comment ‘The pursuit hits the outskirts of the CBD. The cops back off and discontinue the chase.’ is exactly why car theives running from the Police head in the direction of highly populated areas. So they can get way.

Danger to the public is something that is considered by the Police not the poor victim of society in the stolen car.

shauno shauno 10:22 am 10 May 07

Teddy bear fair enough comment if it was a disaster the size of the 2003 fires. But one such as this tragedy which is pretty much an open and shut case, I don’t think an inquiry is warranted quite frankly.

bonfire bonfire 9:50 am 10 May 07

it seems many have bought the ‘police chased through the interchange’ spin.

wrong.

thief DECIDED to drive through interchange.

killed innocent citizen.

departed scene of crime in cowardly fashion.

seconds later – police followed at same speed a taxi or bus would drive through interchange.

the fact that the cctv is faulty, working, deliberately wiped or controlled by aliens is not relevant. plenty of witnesses saw the ACTUAL crime.

teddy bear teddy bear 9:49 am 10 May 07

I am disappointed to see all the “move on-ers” like Pandy, shauno, DuffyMum and Genie. These type of people came out of the woodwork after the 2003 fires and, as far as I am concerned, helped Stanhope’s cause in limiting the assistance provided to victims after the fires, particularly those wishing to rebuild.

Dr Rob Gordon is a Victorian clinical psychologist who assisted the government/s after the Port Arthur massacre, the Ash Wednesday fires, the Bali bombings and the Canberra firestorm.

His recommendation to the “move on-ers” was to suggest that recovering from trauma is like a City to Surf race; everyone more or less starts at the same point but then the field spreads out.

He said is no help for the front runners (or the non or less affected) to yell back to those behind them to hurry up!

Clea Rose’s family should be allowed to recover in their own time and in their own way without the “helpful suggestions” of the people like Pandy, DuffyMum, etc.

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