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By johnboy 4 April 2011 45

A 43-year-old Kambah man will be summonsed to appear in the ACT Magistrates Court on a drug-related charge after police located a large cannabis plant at his home last Friday (April 1).

About 1.00pm police attended the man’s residence after receiving a call about a neighbourhood dispute. Inside his house police located a large cannabis plant growing in a rear room.

Police seized the plant as well as a small amount of loose cannabis.

The 43-year-old man is expected to be charged with manufacture/culture an illicit drug and will be summonsed to appear in court at a later date.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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earthrepair 12:18 pm 18 Apr 11

Ok Tooks; let’s sum up then.

You have become hopelessly confused seems. At least you can’t blame cannabis for it?
On discretion which is where the matter started just check what I actually wrote.
Obviously the Police don’t challenge the law as such.

Lord Scarman stated that:
…the exercise of discretion lies at the heart of the policing function. It is undeniable that
there is only one law for all: and it is right that this should be so. But it is equally well
recognised that successful policing depends on the exercise of discretion on how the law is
enforced. …Discretion is the art of suiting action to particular circumstances.
Discretion is a central and important feature of every decision made by a police officer to charge a
person. Members must consider issues such as fairness, justice, accountability, consistency and
wider community interests and expectations when deciding whether or not to prefer a charge
(Taylor, 1999)

Ie. There is a discretion not to charge – which I suggest is the appropriate action given that medicinal cannabis to registered users will, I believe, be available in Australia in the not too distant future, as is happening in the land of the FDA.
Yes, I have seen this discretion operating effectively, in contrast to your “black and white ” view and rigid interpretation which thankfully the police do not follow.

If you want to avoid confusion then don’t state as you did>
“Marinol, has been available to the public since 1985.”

N.B. Any suggestion for the police to deliberately clog up the courts would be dumb. Police rely on good relations with the community. See above “wider community interests”.

You will persist in talking about smoking. Why tell me about your idiot friend who liked to “smoke quite a bit”? No doubt he mixed in tobacco as well; a nice carcinogenic mix no doubt?
Where you and the stoners line up is in your obsession with sprouting (sic) on about smoking.

Never once have I said smoking anything is therapeutic, in fact the opposite.
There are alternatives to marinol, which I am glad you acknowledge is not available here, such as tincture, tea, comestibles and oil which are useful/therapeutic, according to millions around the world. Check the above utube link, at the start of our illuminating discusion. Also check the pharmacology if you think something synthetic is by it’s nature better than the original.

Tooks 8:17 am 18 Apr 11

Tooks last time I checked the FDA was an American authority?

So? You’re the one implying the synthetic drug was less effective than the plant.

Ours is called the TGA and marinol is not available here seems, from their web site.

Again, I brought up marinol because you implied it was less effective than the plant, which is why I added that paragraph. I never suggested marinol was available here. Once again, a case of poor comprehension on your part.

Is this another case of more misinformation you are propagating ( I won’t use “sprouting” – you are not creative enough for that) or perhaps you can enlighten us where it can be sourced here?

You are a dope (pun intended) I never said it was available here. See my above points on why I mentioned it in the first place. BTW, I never used the word sprouting and I’d suggest you don’t either if you can’t spell it or use it correctly.

In any event you are happy for people to have so called synthetic cannabis but not the plant. Makes no sense what you are saying. At least you are consistent in that.

Nope, you are wrong again (at least you are consistent) – never said that. What I did say is this:

“I’m dubious about its effects as medicine, doesn’t mean I don’t think people should be allowed to use it.”

The fact you want to spend this much time and effort arguing with someone who in essence agrees with you (about the need for drug law reform) demonstrates a mental impairment which should warrant a disabled sticker being permanently affixed to your forehead. You say the laws should be challenged by police not enforcing them, but that is highly flawed. In reality, the best way to challenge the system would be for police to rigorously enforce the laws, clogging up the Court system and filling the AMC. This would bring the issues to light and probably force change of some kind. [Disclaimer: No, earthrepair, I’m not suggesting this should happen. Just pointing out the flaw in your argument].

I remember a friend of mine who used to smoke quite a bit when he was younger. He’d impart his wisdom on various topics in a way he thought was deep, insightful and highly intellectual. Unfortunately, the reality was he was speaking nonsense (despite his impressive vocabulary), but I never had the heart to tell him, so I’d just nod politely and let him gibber. Unfortunately for you, I can no longer be bothered listening to you gibber.

I’ll let you have the last say on this thread (don’t spend too much time though, because I won’t be reading it) and maybe we’ll one day cross swords on another thread. Until then, choof on maaaan 🙂

earthrepair 2:44 pm 17 Apr 11

Tooks last time I checked the FDA was an American authority? Ours is called the TGA and marinol is not available here seems, from their web site. Is this another case of more misinformation you are propagating ( I won’t use “sprouting” – you are not creative enough for that) or perhaps you can enlighten us where it can be sourced here?

In any event you are happy for people to have so called synthetic cannabis but not the plant. Makes no sense what you are saying. At least you are consistent in that.

You are going on about smoking cannabis, bongs etc.; as if that ever could be truly therapeutic. People should have that right if they wish, but it might surprise you to note there are other ways of ingesting cannabis which are far more effective without the hazards associated with smoking.

fgzk 11:40 am 17 Apr 11

Rawhide Kid Part3 said :

Davo111 said :

earthrepair said :

Thirdly, “may” be a gateway to harder drugs.

Does that mean that if I start of on Cordial then I will go onto light beer then onto full strength beer then onto spirits etc etc etc ……?

Yes, red cordial only.

earthrepair said :

The reason it is not in a document is that we don’t have a Bill Of Rights. My point is that it should be a right we all have to grow any plant for our own use.

No we are not talking about drugs on the Rosa Parks bus we are simply stating your argument logically would call for her arrest which most decent people would see as unethical. I can see it must hard for you to follow the analogy.

What am I to do, give you names of people who have avoided being busted for cannabis offences. Yes there are many, but it is a pointless argument as it cannot be proved by statement of this kind.
It is called police discretion and it shows the police are brighter than you thankfully. The rule of law relies on common sense in how the police apply the law. They want to promote good relations in the community whereas your outdated (childish as you say) unsupported (I believe) views generally do the opposite.

It just shows how out of touch you are in that you do not recognize the therapeutic benefits of cannabis, with I am sure many more uses in research stage. Millions of people say they benefit from it but no we are to listen to your ill informed opinion? {Quote Marinol was less effective than the steroid megestrol..}
Marinol is not cannabis, wake up, it is a synthetic. It is like saying a synthetic essence, say vanilla, is the same as the vanilla plant.

Behind a facade of initially trying to appear progressive on cannabis reform you have degenerated into what I suspected all along which is that you have no desire at all to make cannabis medicinally available for sufferers or in fact to make any changes.

If you think spending millions of dollars policing cannabis not to mention court costs and prison costs is a good use of public money then you are really deluded. I advise you to look around the world at evidence where the war on drugs has been lost and to educate yourself further on the issue.

What else do you have earthrepair. This is old ground. You claim that Tooks “is out of touch”.

Police show discretion when they want too. Being nice to police helps.

If there is a buck in it, like you claim, then existing drug companies and their massive resources will make it happen regardless of what you or I think. Discussion should move on to what we expect of the drug companies. Regardless, if you want pot now, its easy to get.

Policing would seem to be more concerned about a small group of illicit drug users, who are committing a large amount of property crime and other oddities. They soak up the budget. So far the vast majority of illegal drug users don’t attract police attention for their drug use. Bring on the new road rules.

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Tooks 10:35 am 17 Apr 11

The reason it is not in a document is that we don’t have a Bill Of Rights. My point is that it should be a right we all have to grow any plant for our own use.

Your opinion. We have the Human Rights Act. Why isn’t it in there I wonder.

What am I to do, give you names of people who have avoided being busted for cannabis offences. Yes there are many, but it is a pointless argument as it cannot be proved by statement of this kind.

Yes it is pointless, so why did you bring it up in the first place?

It is called police discretion and it shows the police are brighter than you thankfully.

I must admit, that is funny for a reason you’ll probably remain ignorant of. It’s also funny because you still don’t understand how discretion works.

The rule of law relies on common sense in how the police apply the law.

Thank god you’re not a cop then. Or would the public support police who pick and choose what laws they enforced based solely on their personal opinions?

They want to promote good relations in the community whereas your outdated (childish as you say) unsupported (I believe) views generally do the opposite.

You really have no idea about law enforcement, do you?

It just shows how out of touch you are in that you do not recognize the therapeutic benefits of cannabis, with I am sure many more uses in research stage.

Quote where I said there are no therapeutic benefits (tip – don’t bother looking because you won’t find it). I do question whether it is more effective than other medicine though.

Millions of people say they benefit from it but no we are to listen to your ill informed opinion? {Quote Marinol was less effective than the steroid megestrol..}

Ill informed? You wrote the book on that.

Where’s your source for the millions of people saying they benefit from it? I can cite numerous sources doubting the effectiveness of cannabis as medicine when compared to more conventional meds.

Marinol is not cannabis, wake up, it is a synthetic. It is like saying a synthetic essence, say vanilla, is the same as the vanilla plant.

Thanks for the lesson champ. I know what Marinol is. So what you’re saying is a synthetic THC drug is not as effective as smoking the real stuff? Gotcha.

Marinol, has been available to the public since 1985. The Food and Drug Administration has determined that Marinol is safe, effective, and has therapeutic benefits for use as a treatment for nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy, and as a treatment of weight loss in patients with AIDS. However, it does not produce the harmful health effects associated with smoking marijuana.

Behind a facade of initially trying to appear progressive on cannabis reform you have degenerated into what I suspected all along which is that you have no desire at all to make cannabis medicinally available for sufferers or in fact to make any changes.

I have no need to lie about my opinion, imbecile. If I didn’t support legislation change, then that’s what I’d be saying. The fact I don’t think the drug is harmless and I’m dubious about its effects as medicine, doesn’t mean I don’t think people should be allowed to use it. Realistically, there’s not much preventing an ill person from smoking all the cannabis they want anyway (in the privacy of their own home).

If you think spending millions of dollars policing cannabis not to mention court costs and prison costs is a good use of public money then you are really deluded …

Wow, you’re really struggling now when you’re putting words I never said or even hinted at into my mouth.

I advise you to look around the world at evidence where the war on drugs has been lost and to educate yourself further on the issue.

See above. It’s quite pathetic that your entire argument revolves around calling me a liar. So I gather you support the legalisation of all illicit drugs then?

With ill-informed, bong toting muppets like you around spouting ignorant bollocks instead of useful arguments, I have no doubt the status quo will remain for the foreseeable future. Stop posting while under the influence or you may become a poster child for anti-cannabis campaigners.

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