Homosexuals to ease skills shortage

sheesh, this is a dead-end street, innit. the ‘steriotype’ (i am taking this to mean ‘stereotype’) has absolutely no power of explanation. none. nil, nought to the power of less. why do you keep pointing at it? and to exactly which stereotype do point? the whole debate has become pointless…

so we’ll take it as read, shall we? maelinar has nothing of value to add and we can safely ignore his posts in this thread – and probably all others..?

can’t spell, can’t think.

my comments, although they have not necessarily been interpreted that way, were not about all gay people, just a certain few who choose to live a certain way.

As its a very complex subject, and in order to get my opinion in the right context I’d have to use a lot of text.

Look to the steriotype, not my words, if you want an explanation.

Welcome to cut and paste land.

SES workers are bigots – steriotype or singular example???

tell me again what a ‘stereotype’ [note the spelling] has to do with anything?

i might stereotype all, say, volunteer emergency workers as sad sorry bad spellers who smell and can’t play the violin, or whatever, and pntificate from there, doesn’t mean anything if i talk about an individual – even a few – and how s/he can’t spell or play the violin due to his/her being a volunteer emergency worker.

that is just boneheaded and you i suspect you ‘can’t be bothered’ because you actually, really, have nothing to say on the matter.

so no, i won’t ‘look to the steriotype’, i want you to explain yourself or recant your comments.

nope.

I can’t be bothered talking about how I think somebody’s sexuality affects their competence levels as its a very complex subject, and in order to get my opinion in the right context I’d have to use a lot of text.

Look to the steriotype, not my words, if you want an explanation.

smart people can be wrong too – this isn’t about intelligence; it’s about respect.

still nothing on how homosexuality affects things as opposed to it being an incompetent person who is also, coincidentally, homosexual.

wassup, maelinar, nothing to contribute on this?

Read it in context Sepi.

WMD, whatever. I think you are confusing me for an admin, I’m not bound to say anything in any way. If you don’t ‘get’ something, feel free to ask for clarification, although I don’t gurantee to respond.

A lot of people do ‘get’ what I say though, to which I would say that I think that a lot of them are a lot smarter than you. As for my own intelligence, I’m told it’s average. I make no claims to being smarter than you.

Maelinar confuses people with illogic, then claims we’re all confused because he’s smarter than us.

I’m beginning to get a good idea of the workings of this twat.

I liked this bit from Maelinar:
“It was an example, not a singular experience.”

I thought an example was along the lines of an isolated experience – probably often a singular one too.

maelinar wrote: I am making comments about an acknowledged steriotype

whta the f*ck does that mean? how does a stereotype that some bigot has ‘acknowledged’ make it any more justifiable to denounce people upon its basis? wake up. make some pronouncements upon exactly how homosexuality effects the defects you pronounce upon your work colleague and let’s debate those, or lose the bigotry.

just trying to help.

(and btw skid, not sure how a statement ‘i don’t cry at work’ makes it the case that the person cries anywhere else either… but that’s petty logic squabbles!)

Well, yeah, but goats are special.

Sheep are so very common.

All I have to say about that is cheap wine and a three legged goat…

Maelinar, you’re actually not talking about Homosexuality. You’re talking about effiminate men.

Which is an entirely different thing. I’ve known way too many effeminate hetrosexuals for comfort. And, frankly, I’d rather be bonking a guy who knows he’s a man and acts like one. I’m gay for the simple reason that I like to sleep with, and, indeed, hang around socially with, men – I don’t want to be hanging around with someone who’s attempting a bad impersonation of a particularly thick sixteen year old girl.

I’m sorry you’ve been exposed to effeminite morons who have no idea how to act in a business situation. But, generalising that all homosexuals are like that would be like generalising that all New Zealanders are sheep shaggers. Just ’cause a couple happen to have shacked up with a friendly looking ewe is no reason to condemn the whole lot of ’em.

Hahahah, great thread. Pretty much as expected but fun to read; lets all have a group hug 🙂

Ere, VYBerlinaV8 gotta be careful with that – i thrown out of the Library for getting in touch with my InnerWoman!

Saw a newspaper headline with “Rudd to advocate Gay Unions”. I didn’t know the Unions discriminated, but it seems to be validating what the Liberals were saying a month ago; there are a lot of ex-Unionists in the Cabinet now…

After reading this thread I think I need to get in touch with my Inner Woman.

I’m more ‘opinion’ than ‘news’ or ‘information’. Filling in the gaps is for the latter two.

Kinda changed his point right there.

Maelinar, if you want to get your opinion across – tell the whole story. Don’t just expect us to fill in the bits.

Credit to sjp for admitting he can cry, but I still think Maelinar’s comments were deliberately inflamatory but not in the good baiting way.

Whats a flossy fairy?

Thanks Maelinar.

It’s all well and good to be on the side of diversity. However, I take issue with the use of the word ‘fault’. I may be wrong, but it read to me like you meant that your previous supervisor was hiding behind his ‘campness’ (which is his fault) to avoid dealing with his problems (i’m guessing work issues?).

I don’t think homosexuality is a fault. Nor do I think that people’s interpretation of their sexuality (ie, i’m a flossy fairy or I’m a hairy bear or I’m as camp as a row of pink tents or i’m as straight as a tentpole) is necessarily something they control.

I agree with you that the problem of the way society perceives homosexual people is a bigger problem than just the comments you’ve made today, but that doesn’t justify your comments. That’s probably more a reflection of the way gay people are presented and trivialised in mainstream media. Take for example ‘Will and Grace’ or ‘Queer Eye for the Straight Guy’. They are all poncy men obsessed with beauty products and shallow judgements of other people. It’s just not the reality.

Good post sjp (:

Your points were well constructed, and memorable. With your understanding, my comments, although they have not necessarily been interpreted that way, were not about all gay people, just a certain few who choose to live a certain way.

Believe it or not, I stand on the side of diversity, however my tolerance is cut short by those who hide behind their faults to avoid their problems. I shouldn’t need to explain in too much more detail for readers to have a complete picture of the type of person I am talking about.

The fact that any reader can come up with a remarkably similar image based upon the scant amound of information I have presented belies the size of the problem, of which I am certainly not the responsible party.

At the end of the day, it’s just all bollocks.

To generalise about people based on their sexuality, in any respect. Maelinar has ‘several’ experiences with homosexual people and has thus formed a view about all homosexual people based on those experiences. The most prominent view being that they have no backbone in the workplace. It was the same excuse used to keep women out of the army (they’ll get all maternal, they’re too emotional, blah blah blah).

The key issue here is not that maelinar feels a certain way about gay people – everyone is entitled to an opinon – it’s that generalisations (about any one, and based on any identifier) are dangerous, and are often unfounded. It is not my responsibility to challenge other people’s perceived stereotypes of me as a gay person. I am who I am.

But I will still speak up when I hear people making flippant generalisations.

Well…I ain’t paying you to win the argument, am I?

I daresay it took me longer than 1 minute to write that post.

To oblige your request, once the money hits my account, I’ll detail my personal experiences that I have not chosen to already reveal. Not a moment before.

Me: “Quote more.

I’ll find a hetero for every one of them.”

You: “I think you are an idiot. This is my personal opinion of you that I have formed over several occasions where we have shared commentary over the same subject. Professionally, I hazard we would not be working long together were we ever to meet.”

What’s going on, mate? Want to oblige my request or not?

The challenge is on to usurp the steriotype, not my comments.

The problem is you are attacking me, when I am making comments about an acknowledged steriotype. You can attribute this to personal development, when you finally get it.

Maelinar, you’re just a fool. I’m surprised you even make it professionally.

Your assertion that a person’s sexuality defines their professional ability is just insane – and woe betide you if you were ever to let that out in the workplace.

postscript – yes WMD, I think you are an idiot. This is my personal opinion of you that I have formed over several occasions where we have shared commentary over the same subject. Professionally, I hazard we would not be working long together were we ever to meet.

Quote more.

I’ll find a hetero for every one of them.

It was an example, not a singular experience. I can quote more that have helped form my opinion.

@Skid – Applying the APS-wide-code-of-conduct to the general public ? I’m a private citizen insofar as this website is concerned.

I’m the idiot, Maelinar? That’s the stupidest generalization I’ve ever heard!

Along that train of thought, are you suggesting women are poor decision-makers? Replace mancare products with womancare products and quite a few fit that first description.

You’re treading out onto the thin ice yourself, before you start.

“Just don’t make generalisations about a whole group of people based on your one experience.”

That’s the thing about Camry drivers. They’re *ALL* a bunch of spanners!

@Maelinar: APS-wide Code of Conduct at-all-times-even-outside-work and maintaining a reputation of non-discrimination or harassment within the APS? Who knows.

I used to cry, but only while it was fashionable during the Hawke era.

Yes skid I’m a man manlover gayboy hommus-exual

And I cry and cry.. I cry me a river… just never at work. LOL

Sjp admits he cries, but not at work.
(Assuming he is a man, taking gay as in manlove, rather than gay is homosexual).

@Maelinar: So on one experience of a bad Section Manager you’re ranting and raving about all the gays?

Whatever

Just don’t make generalisations about a whole group of people based on your one experience.

On what basis sjp ?

Discrimination goes both ways gayboy.

Thats such BS maelinar, just an outrageous generalisation of a whole population of people. I for one am gay and run a section in the Public Service. I don’t cry at work. I fight with the central agencies on a day to day basis. I sack people. Hell I would have sacked your sorry arse if you were in my section.

update to the story is awaiting approval by a moderator.
Has the word ‘homosex’ in it, but should pass muster considering we let poofta through.

“…there is a corresponding decline in common sense, decision making, and backbone.”

Hey, that’s what happens when you buy a Camry! Maybe all Camry drivers are gay too?

Gay-bred incompetence. I don’t need to paint a picture here for many readers to recognise that when somebody starts going ‘camp’, it would appear that upon gaining skills in hygiene, fashion, and mancare products, there is a corresponding decline in common sense, decision making, and backbone.

If you want to continue to talk nonsense and make vague analogies though, I will continue treating you like an idiot.

But was that because he was gay, Maelinar? Or because he was incompetent. There’s only one kind of competency that’s gained in the bedroom and it’s not officially essential in the professional world.

A white heterosexual boss of mine had no idea what they were doing. F-king Skip Dogs! Shouldn’t be allowed to work!

(I’m white and heterosexual, just for the record.)

Thumper can vouch for my experience working under a boss who was gayer than freddy mercury. His inability to grow some balls and make a decision nearly cost us dearly in quite sensitive political international negotiations.

Anywhooo. Look over there. What were we talking about again ?

Im just glad that nobody mentioned rednecks, pissing, the turtle or pooftas!

Maybe the ACT Govt has realized that Canberra is a very dull place, full of ‘working’ (when they’re not having one of their 6 daily breaks) public servants, and they need to attract homosexuals to make it more exciting!!!!

Can’t help wondering what it will be like to live in a city as a straight person and being considered as a minority though.

Jesus Christ! So your co-workers are gay? What’s the worst they’ll do to you Maelinar? Try to pick you up? If you don’t know how to say no to that, then you’ve obviously got to re-assess your sexual preferences.

Having said that, the bill really should be Australia wide.

Well, judging from most of the guys I know interestate, we can expect a nice influx of chefs and IT professionals. Plus one or two extra guys for the SES, so that should keep you happy, Maelinar…

As for the lezzos – um, Terry Snow’s Airport Transport hub will probably need a few truck drivers, won’t it?

I always thought Damien was one.

Anything that would spice up the local population would be welcome, this place is overrun with fat suburban proles.

i dont know how to break this to anyone, but canberra has no shortage of homosexuals.

To satisfy your anti-discrimination leanings in the longer-term, they could put some kind of sunset clause in the Here-for-a-year Queer Union Bill 2007, but it would be useful for sorting out the immediate flux of wedding-tourists (like they had in Massachusetts) from the people willing to commit and run the Canberra Relationship Management Bureaucracy Gauntlet.

If the Government wants to target for transplantation a bunch of people known (rightly or wrongly) for their artistic ability, self respect and generally friendly neighbourliness…I won’t criticize them for it.

When was the last time a bunch of gays piled into a car & then went tearing out into the suburbs on a ‘straight bashing’ expedition? No I cant recall either.

Um – then let them get married.

The more we treat gay people as though they are different, the more they WILL be different in most peoples’ eyes. This sure isn’t helping their cause.

Featuring BrokeBlack Mountain Peninsula?

How bout this spin on an old favourite Thumper:

Canberra will become so camp it’ll be a non-stop Jamboree!

Lol ….
Lucky I have resigned from my nice ” pansy EL1 F…tard ” role to go and retire in sunny Qld.

“Been passed over once too many times for promotion eh Maelinar?”

Not everyone is prepared to take it like a man to get to the top?

Been passed over once too many times for promotion eh Maelinar ?

Well, all I can say is I hope they bring their own tools!

Dude, that bombed.

Oh here we go…

More indecisive super pansy f..ktard EL1 and 2 coming to a Department near you. What a way to stifle the machinery of government.