Hope to not lose my licence!

Erg0 said :

00davist said :

OMG, seriosly, how worked up can one guy get over absolutly nothing???

Also, lulzirony.

I think you have mistaken my tone, that was more disbelief than aggitation.

00davist said :

OMG, seriosly, how worked up can one guy get over absolutly nothing???

Also, lulzirony.

…and with the original target departing, we see the denizens of the thread begin to turn on each other…

Disinformation said :

So you now know that every person in Australia knows this, yet they seem to all want to use incorrect terminology.
How amazingly convenient to back up your assertions.

Tell me how this is possible that you can ascertain this mass demonstration of misunderstanding is actually evidence of enlightenment?

Is backing yourself into a losing position something that you’ve actively studied? You seem to be extremely good at it.

Do you actually understand the meaning of the word “irrelevant”?

Or is your failure to comprehend it ACTUALLY evidence that you do according to your “every person” statement?

Best you feed your monkeys. At least mine can structure a creditable argument with references.

OMG, seriosly, how worked up can one guy get over absolutly nothing???

So not everybody uses the specific RTA definition of the terminology, however, planes still fly, toasters still toast, and ABBA still sucks, also, when talking about demerit points, people still understand each other, So get over it!

Honestly, if this is the kind of thing that gets you worked up, the rest of your life must be pretty sweet, either that, or your life is a living hell!

Mate, the garden of eden closed down, move on!

Disinformation said :

buzz819 said :

Good work, taking up space with a useless post.

I still have 12 points on my licence. Does that mean I still have 12 points that I need to accrue to lose my licence, or does it mean that I have already lost my licence?

So, in order to know this for certain, you’ve been into the databases of the relevant licensing control authority and can count the points that you’ve got against your database entry?

Read how demerit points work, you tool.
http://www.rego.act.gov.au/infringements/infringedemerit.htm

Got any comeback to that?

Nope. Didn’t think so.

Yeah, Becase this really contributes to improveing road safety!

6 in one, 1/2 a dozen in the other, Get a damn life!!!

So you now know that every person in Australia knows this, yet they seem to all want to use incorrect terminology.
How amazingly convenient to back up your assertions.

Tell me how this is possible that you can ascertain this mass demonstration of misunderstanding is actually evidence of enlightenment?

Is backing yourself into a losing position something that you’ve actively studied? You seem to be extremely good at it.

Do you actually understand the meaning of the word “irrelevant”?

Or is your failure to comprehend it ACTUALLY evidence that you do according to your “every person” statement?

Best you feed your monkeys. At least mine can structure a creditable argument with references.

You’ll be fine. Just be more careful in future. While many of the speed limits on ACT roads are unnecessarily low, it’s not worth getting caught speeding, or worse, having an accident.

Disinformation said :

buzz819 said :

Good work, taking up space with a useless post.

I still have 12 points on my licence. Does that mean I still have 12 points that I need to accrue to lose my licence, or does it mean that I have already lost my licence?

So, in order to know this for certain, you’ve been into the databases of the relevant licensing control authority and can count the points that you’ve got against your database entry?

Read how demerit points work, you tool.
http://www.rego.act.gov.au/infringements/infringedemerit.htm

Got any comeback to that?

Nope. Didn’t think so.

Ohh look, another irrelevant post, with an irrelevant link, you must have done your homework to come up with that, or did you have a dozen monkeys working around the clock?

You do realise that EVERY person who drives in Australia and I do mean EVERY one of them knows that you accumulate demerit points on your licence.

The colloquial phrase of “I still have all my points” or “I still have 4 point’s left” literally means, I still have 12 points to accumulate, or I have 4 more demerit points to accrue before I lose my licence.

Your post is a waste of space because everyone knows the information already, you’re all jumped up and hyped up on Internet “knowitallism.” Good work, do you run around telling people that you know boats?

There you go, there’s a come back for you.

Got anything else to waste the people’s time, I’m sure you do, you special little person.

If you’re going to use the old bathroom excuse for doing 20+ over the limit, there better be shit on that seat!

buzz819 said :

Good work, taking up space with a useless post.

I still have 12 points on my licence. Does that mean I still have 12 points that I need to accrue to lose my licence, or does it mean that I have already lost my licence?

So, in order to know this for certain, you’ve been into the databases of the relevant licensing control authority and can count the points that you’ve got against your database entry?

Read how demerit points work, you tool.
http://www.rego.act.gov.au/infringements/infringedemerit.htm

Got any comeback to that?

Nope. Didn’t think so.

You have show that you refuse to take FULL responsibility for your actions, by trying to lay blame elsewhere, rather than accepting that there is no excuse for your actions, and therefore not trying to:

-Feed us excuses as to why you made the decision to break the law
-Trivialise the offence by suggesting it wasn’t major speeding, a narrow road or heavy traffic
-Deflect criticism by bringing the actions of other drivers into the discussion
-Undermine criticism by attempting to call it discrimination

In future I suggest leaving the BS out of your questions, simply state that you DID speed, you accept responsibility, and simply would like to know what outcome to expect.

Needing to pee, Empty roads, time of day, other drivers speeds, and being a p-plater, have nothing to do with it, so don’t bring them up. If you decide to use such excuses, don’t be surprised when people won’t buy what you’re selling.

Great attitude Emma. Which is it, you haven’t committed other traffic offences or you haven’t been caught committing other traffic offences? It’s sad you think losing your licence and maybe your job is the worst that could happen to you.

Henry82 said :

It’s a bit late now, you’ve already confirmed everyones opinion of a P plater

As a Road Riding cyclist, my opinion is that some P-platers are fantastic, others are as bad as some who have been driving for longer than I have been alive. The thing is to observe what they are actually doing, and react accordingly.

Emma29 said :

This is all the response I wanted, wont need to even get back on this post again!

It’s a bit late now, you’ve already confirmed everyones opinion of a P plater, thanks. ‘I have to pee’ has never been a proper excuse, if i was a judge i’d double punishments for people who used that. Take the punishment on the chin, if you cared that much you wouldn’t be doing 20km over. No sympathy from me.

Emma, its questions 2 and 3 in your post that most people are taking issue with. Questions 1 and 4 are genuine questions and you could have saved yourself a lot of hassle by just looking it up yourself. Question 2 you offer up a lame excuse for your speeding (cop it on the chin – you did the wrong thing) and suggest that you are thinking of using this excuse to contest the charge. Question 3 you then go about asking if it is possible to weasel out of the prescribed penalty for doing the wrong thing.

My suggestion is that if you don’t want people to put forward their opinions of your stupid behaviour, maybe don’t post on an opinion forum!

Blah blah blah, speeding, blah blah blah, P platers, blah blah blah. What I want to know is did you make it to the bathroom on time?

Good work, taking up space with a useless post.

I still have 12 points on my licence. Does that mean I still have 12 points that I need to accrue to lose my licence, or does it mean that I have already lost my licence?

Perhaps Disinformation was being too subtle for your capacities in challenging the belief that one is entitled to so many ‘free shots’ at breaking the law before losing your licence. Novel idea. You do not lose credits, you accumulate demerits.

Disinformation said :

Seeing as we’re all giving out correct information, lets all curb the belief that you have a certain number of points and you LOSE them. You have no “points” to start out with. You accumlate demerit points.
If you accumulate enough within a certain time, you lose your licence.

Good work, taking up space with a useless post.

I still have 12 points on my licence. Does that mean I still have 12 points that I need to accrue to lose my licence, or does it mean that I have already lost my licence?

Seeing as we’re all giving out correct information, lets all curb the belief that you have a certain number of points and you LOSE them. You have no “points” to start out with. You accumlate demerit points.
If you accumulate enough within a certain time, you lose your licence.

If you are old enough to have achieved your P plates, you are also old enough not to have to be reminded to use the bathroom before you hop in the car. Despite what you may think, your full bladder is not an excuse to put other road users at risk. Yes, you can kill at 20 kms over the speed limit. If you want to dispute that fact, just ask your average magistrate who probably spends his days listening to other self entitled idiots, who think they can break whatever law they want as long as they have an excuse.

Should have worn an adult nappy like that NASA lady who drove across the country in the US.

Emma29 said :

David011 said :

So Im fairly positive that Emma didn’t ask for anyones opinion on her driving, speeding or not. Yes, you shoulnd’t speed and hopefully you will learn from your lesson, whatever the consequences. But I’m sure you know that without hearing it from every person who comments on this post.
I might just answer your questions, as I’m sure thats what you want from people when you ask things:

1. if you have 4 demerits as a provisional licenced driver, you will not lose your license for travelling 20 km’s over. You only lose 3 demerits up to 30 km’s/h. As long as you have not commited a traffic offence prior to this one?

2. Its unlikely that excuse will stick. I have certainly been there before, where you are literally that desperate. Speeding might not be the best option, but if you were speeding to the nearest bathroom I can understand.

3. Your P-off course points only count towards fines issued after you have completed the course. So unfortunately those points will not count towards your licence in this particular instance. However, if you were to be caught speeding after completing the course, they will count then. Although I doubt you will be speeding again, the strong and wise words of all the commenters here I’m sure has dettered you from ever speeding again. After all without these comments Im sure you would have had no idea what you did was wrong and you must cop the consequences ‘princess’ 😉

4. I’m fairly sure you will be looking at a speeding fine around $250.00.

Hope this helped more than a lot of the other crap posted on here. 🙂

THANK YOU!
This is all the response I wanted, wont need to even get back on this post again!

Next time, I suggest you use your initiative (look it up if you don’t know what it means) and find all the answers you need at rego.act.gov.au.

There was no need to even post this thread. As well as opening up yourself to criticism for being a stereotypical P plater, you’ve also opened the door for stereotyping Gen Y.

Keep on digging girlfriend!

Did I forget to suppose that not only do you drive a hatchback but also assume to know everything about the road and how things work.

Sorry, just my psychic half lol

David011 said :

So Im fairly positive that Emma didn’t ask for anyones opinion on her driving, speeding or not. Yes, you shoulnd’t speed and hopefully you will learn from your lesson, whatever the consequences. But I’m sure you know that without hearing it from every person who comments on this post.
I might just answer your questions, as I’m sure thats what you want from people when you ask things:

1. if you have 4 demerits as a provisional licenced driver, you will not lose your license for travelling 20 km’s over. You only lose 3 demerits up to 30 km’s/h. As long as you have not commited a traffic offence prior to this one?

2. Its unlikely that excuse will stick. I have certainly been there before, where you are literally that desperate. Speeding might not be the best option, but if you were speeding to the nearest bathroom I can understand.

3. Your P-off course points only count towards fines issued after you have completed the course. So unfortunately those points will not count towards your licence in this particular instance. However, if you were to be caught speeding after completing the course, they will count then. Although I doubt you will be speeding again, the strong and wise words of all the commenters here I’m sure has dettered you from ever speeding again. After all without these comments Im sure you would have had no idea what you did was wrong and you must cop the consequences ‘princess’ 😉

4. I’m fairly sure you will be looking at a speeding fine around $250.00.

Hope this helped more than a lot of the other crap posted on here. 🙂

THANK YOU!
This is all the response I wanted, wont need to even get back on this post again!

Emma29 said :

blowers said :

Let me guess, you drive a hatchback.

I can also guarantee that every person who has commented saying i deserve what i get has sped in their lifetime (caught or not), unless of course they haven’t got a license. I dont hoon around like P platers are ‘supposedly’ doing all the time. I dont do burnouts, i dont go 85km’s over the speed limit down commonwealth ave during floriade. I go 40 in school zones and road works. I obey the road rules, and one time when i didnt i got busted, and for that of course ive learnt my lesson.
But if for whatever reason it makes you feel better to tell me how much I deserve what i get, whatever piece of mind that gives you, to tell a random you dont even know (but have judged completely based on a speeding fine that according to other comments, wont cause me to lose my provisional licence) then knoc yourselves out.

Well that is certainly what people are going to do if you post your illegal activity on an online forum. You can’t complain if it doesn’t all go your way.

00davist said :

Emma29 said :

carnardly said :

“…..I dont hoon around like P platers are ‘supposedly’ doing all the time…..”

So approx 20 kms over a designated speed limit isn’t hooning?

sarahsarah said :

00davist said :

A lot.

Keep your panties on. I said I wasn’t going to judge as I have sped (which would make me somewhat hypocritical) and you know, I thought maybe I’d leave that up to the people with the authority to do so. But by all means, you can go ahead and do so if helps you sleep at night. I’m sure the OP will take all you’ve said to heart.

OMG people. I have fully admitted to this ONE TIME I sped and got busted and not condoning it was okay! Stop throwing your stupid coments in about how I give P platers bad names and that I clearly am a hoon for speeding. Despite what everything thinks, P platers are not all the same person. My question to everyone now is would you bother writing all this crap if it was a fully licenced driver posting? Doubt it.

And ill stress again than I am a half year away from my full licence, and have been driving on my P plates for 2 and half years, with no accidents or fines because I am a safe driver GENERALLY of course appart from this ONE TIME i was speeding.

Also can i stress that I watch full licensed drivers every day going 100 along adelaide Ave. And its quite hilarious watching people when I am travelling at 100 on the pkwy slamming the breaks on right before the fixed speed cameras. People are so judgemental of others, when they themselves do the same things.
I have watched so many driver’s speeding and driving stupidly. Maybe thats why I sped this time? I thought it was okay from watching all the fully licensed drivers go flying past me.
I seriously wish people could overlook the fact I have my Ps in fact I wish i didnt ever mention it. After all Im about this close ( ) to getting my full license. And honestly how much better of a driver am i going to be between today and next June, that the entire status of my license should reflect what kind of driver I am.

This has nothing to do with you being a p-plater or not, you have listed a number of excuses, tried to trivialise the offence, and attempted to deflect it by pointing out the speeds of others.

You clearly DO NOT want to take full resposablitiy for it, otherwise you would not be trying to play it down so much, and make excuses for your stupidity.

I dont care that your a p-plater, you have a poor attitude for any driver, further, if you have a dig around, you will find me on here being eqally as impatient with the stupidity of fully licenced drivers, particuarly those toting the “revenue raising” cr*p, and looking back at some of the posts i have made in this very thread, you will notice i have pointed out myself that P Platers can not be all tarred with the same brush.

Right now, you are further highlighting how poor your attitude is, by telling yourself that the people who have pointed out your stupidity and poor attitude are only doing so becase you are a p-plater, and it is therefore discrimination, and is’t worth taking on board.

This has nothing to do with your plates, it has everything to do with your excuses!

Poor Attitude? Why doest everyone honestly think Im trying to come up with excuses for bad driving. I had an honest excuse for why i did it, may not be a good excuse. But it was my excuse at the time. Everyone makes mistakes and screws up, and im not any differenet, and im not saying im not going to pay the consequences or that i think what i did wasnt a big deal.

Im annoyed because i asked a question, an honest question to which i wanted some constructive answers from. Some commenters, thank you, did just give me tips and advice, but the rest of you felt the need to have a stab like im so stupid, that without your wise comments i have no idea what i did was wrong.

If people believe I have an attitudinal problem because I dont think what i did was wrong, or i wont accept consequences then go ahead… because i do accept full responsilibity and am clearly not blaiming people for it. My comments are simply reactions to your bullsh** comments about how I should take the hit, cop the blow, and that im the reason P Platers have a bad name. I dont need randoms telling me this sh*t, because I am perfectly aware of what i did, and that i will have to accept the consequences regardless of what me or anyone else things, because its the law.

So Im fairly positive that Emma didn’t ask for anyones opinion on her driving, speeding or not. Yes, you shoulnd’t speed and hopefully you will learn from your lesson, whatever the consequences. But I’m sure you know that without hearing it from every person who comments on this post.
I might just answer your questions, as I’m sure thats what you want from people when you ask things:

1. if you have 4 demerits as a provisional licenced driver, you will not lose your license for travelling 20 km’s over. You only lose 3 demerits up to 30 km’s/h. As long as you have not commited a traffic offence prior to this one?

2. Its unlikely that excuse will stick. I have certainly been there before, where you are literally that desperate. Speeding might not be the best option, but if you were speeding to the nearest bathroom I can understand.

3. Your P-off course points only count towards fines issued after you have completed the course. So unfortunately those points will not count towards your licence in this particular instance. However, if you were to be caught speeding after completing the course, they will count then. Although I doubt you will be speeding again, the strong and wise words of all the commenters here I’m sure has dettered you from ever speeding again. After all without these comments Im sure you would have had no idea what you did was wrong and you must cop the consequences ‘princess’ 😉

4. I’m fairly sure you will be looking at a speeding fine around $250.00.

Hope this helped more than a lot of the other crap posted on here. 🙂

Emma29 said :

creative_canberran said :

Emma29 said :

So stop stereotyping P Platers, we aren’t all stupid and most arent any less ‘wise’ we know the consequences of speeding, some just choose to ignore them. Im not saying I dont deserve losing points and paying a fine. So everyone should stop saying ” suck it up princess” or ‘ you desevre what you get’. I’m not sitting here saying I should be allowed to speed and that me being the princess i am should be able to get away with it ! I only bought up the whole contesting the fine because as if you wouldnt take the opportunity to not pay $250 and lose 3 points if you could, I know of so many people who have.

Given that you didn’t seem to be aware of the ACT Road Licensing system and penalties regime, I would say if the system worked as it should, you should lose your provision licence and be made to take the Road Ready Course and learner period again.

Also, this line of reasoning that because you don’t speed (which should actually be said as “you haven’t sped”), that somehow you shouldn’t be liable for it this time is so far off the mark. It’s akin to a murderer saying I haven’t killed, can’t you give me a good behaviour bond?

And before you suggest the comparison is unfair… consider the phrase vehicular manslaughter.

FYI i wont be doing my road ready again, my licence will be suspended for 3 months, then ill get it back, because according the ACT Law my offence is not so bad that i should lose a license and have to earn it back.

Also i didnt commit murder, i commited a speeding offence, so you cant use that example to back you up. And based on many people I know who never speed and then got busted that 1 time when they did, they contested good behavior and a clean record and got off the hook.

Yep, CC can use that example, becase it refers to the flaw in your argument, rather than the specifics of yuour offence.

Also, as CC has hinted, while it didnt in your case, speeding (even at the speeds you did) CAN kill.

Emma29 said :

carnardly said :

“…..I dont hoon around like P platers are ‘supposedly’ doing all the time…..”

So approx 20 kms over a designated speed limit isn’t hooning?

sarahsarah said :

00davist said :

A lot.

Keep your panties on. I said I wasn’t going to judge as I have sped (which would make me somewhat hypocritical) and you know, I thought maybe I’d leave that up to the people with the authority to do so. But by all means, you can go ahead and do so if helps you sleep at night. I’m sure the OP will take all you’ve said to heart.

OMG people. I have fully admitted to this ONE TIME I sped and got busted and not condoning it was okay! Stop throwing your stupid coments in about how I give P platers bad names and that I clearly am a hoon for speeding. Despite what everything thinks, P platers are not all the same person. My question to everyone now is would you bother writing all this crap if it was a fully licenced driver posting? Doubt it.

And ill stress again than I am a half year away from my full licence, and have been driving on my P plates for 2 and half years, with no accidents or fines because I am a safe driver GENERALLY of course appart from this ONE TIME i was speeding.

Also can i stress that I watch full licensed drivers every day going 100 along adelaide Ave. And its quite hilarious watching people when I am travelling at 100 on the pkwy slamming the breaks on right before the fixed speed cameras. People are so judgemental of others, when they themselves do the same things.
I have watched so many driver’s speeding and driving stupidly. Maybe thats why I sped this time? I thought it was okay from watching all the fully licensed drivers go flying past me.
I seriously wish people could overlook the fact I have my Ps in fact I wish i didnt ever mention it. After all Im about this close ( ) to getting my full license. And honestly how much better of a driver am i going to be between today and next June, that the entire status of my license should reflect what kind of driver I am.

This has nothing to do with you being a p-plater or not, you have listed a number of excuses, tried to trivialise the offence, and attempted to deflect it by pointing out the speeds of others.

You clearly DO NOT want to take full resposablitiy for it, otherwise you would not be trying to play it down so much, and make excuses for your stupidity.

I dont care that your a p-plater, you have a poor attitude for any driver, further, if you have a dig around, you will find me on here being eqally as impatient with the stupidity of fully licenced drivers, particuarly those toting the “revenue raising” cr*p, and looking back at some of the posts i have made in this very thread, you will notice i have pointed out myself that P Platers can not be all tarred with the same brush.

Right now, you are further highlighting how poor your attitude is, by telling yourself that the people who have pointed out your stupidity and poor attitude are only doing so becase you are a p-plater, and it is therefore discrimination, and is’t worth taking on board.

This has nothing to do with your plates, it has everything to do with your excuses!

carnardly said :

“…..I dont hoon around like P platers are ‘supposedly’ doing all the time…..”

So approx 20 kms over a designated speed limit isn’t hooning?

Unless she was doing 20 over while sideways and with smoke pouring from the rear tyres, then no, it’s not.

creative_canberran said :

Emma29 said :

So stop stereotyping P Platers, we aren’t all stupid and most arent any less ‘wise’ we know the consequences of speeding, some just choose to ignore them. Im not saying I dont deserve losing points and paying a fine. So everyone should stop saying ” suck it up princess” or ‘ you desevre what you get’. I’m not sitting here saying I should be allowed to speed and that me being the princess i am should be able to get away with it ! I only bought up the whole contesting the fine because as if you wouldnt take the opportunity to not pay $250 and lose 3 points if you could, I know of so many people who have.

Given that you didn’t seem to be aware of the ACT Road Licensing system and penalties regime, I would say if the system worked as it should, you should lose your provision licence and be made to take the Road Ready Course and learner period again.

Also, this line of reasoning that because you don’t speed (which should actually be said as “you haven’t sped”), that somehow you shouldn’t be liable for it this time is so far off the mark. It’s akin to a murderer saying I haven’t killed, can’t you give me a good behaviour bond?

And before you suggest the comparison is unfair… consider the phrase vehicular manslaughter.

FYI i wont be doing my road ready again, my licence will be suspended for 3 months, then ill get it back, because according the ACT Law my offence is not so bad that i should lose a license and have to earn it back.

Also i didnt commit murder, i commited a speeding offence, so you cant use that example to back you up. And based on many people I know who never speed and then got busted that 1 time when they did, they contested good behavior and a clean record and got off the hook.

creative_canberran said :

Emma29 said :

So stop stereotyping P Platers, we aren’t all stupid and most arent any less ‘wise’ we know the consequences of speeding, some just choose to ignore them. Im not saying I dont deserve losing points and paying a fine. So everyone should stop saying ” suck it up princess” or ‘ you desevre what you get’. I’m not sitting here saying I should be allowed to speed and that me being the princess i am should be able to get away with it ! I only bought up the whole contesting the fine because as if you wouldnt take the opportunity to not pay $250 and lose 3 points if you could, I know of so many people who have.

Given that you didn’t seem to be aware of the ACT Road Licensing system and penalties regime, I would say if the system worked as it should, you should lose your provision licence and be made to take the Road Ready Course and learner period again.

Also, this line of reasoning that because you don’t speed (which should actually be said as “you haven’t sped”), that somehow you shouldn’t be liable for it this time is so far off the mark. It’s akin to a murderer saying I haven’t killed, can’t you give me a good behaviour bond?

And before you suggest the comparison is unfair… consider the phrase vehicular manslaughter.

+1

Remember Em, you are not underfire hear for speeding, Your being pulled up on your damn attitude problem!

sarahsarah said :

If you did lose your licence I believe you can apply for a special licence that allows you to drive to and from work and under certain conditions. My brother in law lost his licence for DUI – it was his birthday and he went out from some drinks with his mates and was pulled over on the way home in the wee hours of the morning.

Nope. Bizarrely, you can get a special licence if you lose your licence for DUI but not for speeding. In fact, you can also lose your licence if you fail to pay a parking fine, and there’s no possibility of a special licence in that situation either. Crazy, no? I think it’s an oversight rather than deliberate policy, but it seems pretty unfair.

Not that I condone parking illegally or speeding, but (especially when you’re only a few kms over), they do seem less reprehensible than DUI.

sarahsarah said :

00davist said :

A lot.

Keep your panties on. I said I wasn’t going to judge as I have sped (which would make me somewhat hypocritical) and you know, I thought maybe I’d leave that up to the people with the authority to do so. But by all means, you can go ahead and do so if helps you sleep at night. I’m sure the OP will take all you’ve said to heart.

I don’t purposely speed, but yes, I have sped – usually when I am keeping up with traffic or not paying close enough attention to the road signs. When I catch myself I slow down but if I ever get caught for speeding by someone other than myself I’d take it on the chin, pay the fine and swallow the lost points because I have no one to blame but myself for being a freaking idiot.

And TBCH I didn’t read all the comments, just the OP asking if the licence would be lost and a couple after that and offered an option if it came to be.

A couple of years ago, I recall reading about a girl in sydney, who was out with her mum, learning to drive , somwhere nearby, some hoon in a WRX decided it would be fun to get up a bit of speed.

When his car hit the youg L-Plater, he was air-bourne, and had crossed a divide into her car, his grill came in her door window, at head height. She didn’t stand a chance, and she had in no way done anything wrong herself.

I can’t remember if her mother survived or not.

But by all means, feel free to fob off the risk that other drivers pose when they decide it’s ok to do as they feel, I’m sure the L-plater above feels equally as nonchalaunt about her own death.

*While i realise the OP was not taking the same risks as the noted WRX driver, nor did they kill anyone, I used this example, as it highlighs the effects that CAN result form the attitude problem displayed by the OP.

carnardly said :

“…..I dont hoon around like P platers are ‘supposedly’ doing all the time…..”

So approx 20 kms over a designated speed limit isn’t hooning?

sarahsarah said :

00davist said :

A lot.

Keep your panties on. I said I wasn’t going to judge as I have sped (which would make me somewhat hypocritical) and you know, I thought maybe I’d leave that up to the people with the authority to do so. But by all means, you can go ahead and do so if helps you sleep at night. I’m sure the OP will take all you’ve said to heart.

OMG people. I have fully admitted to this ONE TIME I sped and got busted and not condoning it was okay! Stop throwing your stupid coments in about how I give P platers bad names and that I clearly am a hoon for speeding. Despite what everything thinks, P platers are not all the same person. My question to everyone now is would you bother writing all this crap if it was a fully licenced driver posting? Doubt it.

And ill stress again than I am a half year away from my full licence, and have been driving on my P plates for 2 and half years, with no accidents or fines because I am a safe driver GENERALLY of course appart from this ONE TIME i was speeding.

Also can i stress that I watch full licensed drivers every day going 100 along adelaide Ave. And its quite hilarious watching people when I am travelling at 100 on the pkwy slamming the breaks on right before the fixed speed cameras. People are so judgemental of others, when they themselves do the same things.
I have watched so many driver’s speeding and driving stupidly. Maybe thats why I sped this time? I thought it was okay from watching all the fully licensed drivers go flying past me.
I seriously wish people could overlook the fact I have my Ps in fact I wish i didnt ever mention it. After all Im about this close ( ) to getting my full license. And honestly how much better of a driver am i going to be between today and next June, that the entire status of my license should reflect what kind of driver I am.

buzz819 said :

Laurat said :

if you did not see a camera flash you are probably very lucky and not been done. Otherwise younger up for about $245.00 and 3 demerits. Road ready is a great idea but won’t help you in regards tonthe demerits this time around.

Solidarity said :

Relax.

If it didn’t flash you’ll be right.

Anyway, do the P-off course if it really bothers you, then don’t pay the speeding fine till after you’ve completed it, the points don’t come off till you’ve paid the fine.

These days the camera’s use IR instead of flash, so drivers aren’t distracted by the bright light emanating from the white van…

Serious?

Hmm, fair enough. I guess technology moves on, although I haven’t been pinged by any vans recently although I really should have been…

There are dummy vans out there too yeah or is that just my imagination…?

Emma29 said :

So stop stereotyping P Platers, we aren’t all stupid and most arent any less ‘wise’ we know the consequences of speeding, some just choose to ignore them. Im not saying I dont deserve losing points and paying a fine. So everyone should stop saying ” suck it up princess” or ‘ you desevre what you get’. I’m not sitting here saying I should be allowed to speed and that me being the princess i am should be able to get away with it ! I only bought up the whole contesting the fine because as if you wouldnt take the opportunity to not pay $250 and lose 3 points if you could, I know of so many people who have.

Given that you didn’t seem to be aware of the ACT Road Licensing system and penalties regime, I would say if the system worked as it should, you should lose your provision licence and be made to take the Road Ready Course and learner period again.

Also, this line of reasoning that because you don’t speed (which should actually be said as “you haven’t sped”), that somehow you shouldn’t be liable for it this time is so far off the mark. It’s akin to a murderer saying I haven’t killed, can’t you give me a good behaviour bond?

And before you suggest the comparison is unfair… consider the phrase vehicular manslaughter.

00davist said :

A lot.

Keep your panties on. I said I wasn’t going to judge as I have sped (which would make me somewhat hypocritical) and you know, I thought maybe I’d leave that up to the people with the authority to do so. But by all means, you can go ahead and do so if helps you sleep at night. I’m sure the OP will take all you’ve said to heart.

I don’t purposely speed, but yes, I have sped – usually when I am keeping up with traffic or not paying close enough attention to the road signs. When I catch myself I slow down but if I ever get caught for speeding by someone other than myself I’d take it on the chin, pay the fine and swallow the lost points because I have no one to blame but myself for being a freaking idiot.

And TBCH I didn’t read all the comments, just the OP asking if the licence would be lost and a couple after that and offered an option if it came to be.

“…..I dont hoon around like P platers are ‘supposedly’ doing all the time…..”

So approx 20 kms over a designated speed limit isn’t hooning?

blowers said :

Let me guess, you drive a hatchback.

Genius! I do! That is an affordable car for most young drivers isn’t it. How silly of me to drive one… and more to the point, I only speed because i have a hatch back! BRAVO! Mayeb you would prefer me to get a turbo charged car and go flying through the streets in that instead?

Well whatever everyone reckons about speeding – which by the way i have given no evidence to say speeding is a good choice or that i condone it. I sped the other night and got busted, despite what you all think i don’t speed and it was a one off just my luck there happened to be a cop van there. And I can tell you I havent sped since. I have never had a car accident in my entire life, I have never swerved across in front of anyone and gone darting in and out of traffic. Ive never run a red, a stop, or not given way where I should have.

I have had one car accident… when a fully licenced driver ran up my arse at a round about, his fault.

So stop stereotyping P Platers, we aren’t all stupid and most arent any less ‘wise’ we know the consequences of speeding, some just choose to ignore them. Im not saying I dont deserve losing points and paying a fine. So everyone should stop saying ” suck it up princess” or ‘ you desevre what you get’. I’m not sitting here saying I should be allowed to speed and that me being the princess i am should be able to get away with it ! I only bought up the whole contesting the fine because as if you wouldnt take the opportunity to not pay $250 and lose 3 points if you could, I know of so many people who have.

I can also guarantee that every person who has commented saying i deserve what i get has sped in their lifetime (caught or not), unless of course they haven’t got a license. I dont hoon around like P platers are ‘supposedly’ doing all the time. I dont do burnouts, i dont go 85km’s over the speed limit down commonwealth ave during floriade. I go 40 in school zones and road works. I obey the road rules, and one time when i didnt i got busted, and for that of course ive learnt my lesson.
But if for whatever reason it makes you feel better to tell me how much I deserve what i get, whatever piece of mind that gives you, to tell a random you dont even know (but have judged completely based on a speeding fine that according to other comments, wont cause me to lose my provisional licence) then knoc yourselves out.

Princess-you should have pulled over, asked the guy in a van if he indeed taken a photo of your vehicle, if yes-settled it with him in a way most beneficial to both. 🙂 That is what other chicks do, I have heard.

Wear a fine.

sarahsarah said :

Not going to judge you as I am pretty sure we have all (regardless of how much we want to dispute it) sped at some point in time – be it inadvertently or blatantly for various reasons. Not saying it’s okay but those in glass houses…

GLASS HOUSES?!?!?

It’s not abouit weather we have sped or not, it’s the attitude problem thats the issue here!

I myself have sped, and also been busted, for example, recently as i came in one morning from braidwood, i started to speed up to the 100k when the signs came to view, about 50-100m early, I got nabbed, I payed the fine, i took the points, i didnt complain in any way, becase i broke tha damn law, and thats that, my fault, 100%, end of story.

It was not a lapse of judgment, it was not revinue raising, it was not becase of my long and regular commute, it was just stupidity, and heck, what bloody good does 1.2 seconds of extra speed do, wow, i’d probably end up at work half a second sooner, and think of the extra pay i’ll get for that!!!

The OP has not come here to do anything more than inquire as to the result of there action, or so they protest, however, there original post, and follow up are littered with excuses, as well as a number of comments that show quite simply, they only regret being caught, and they cant see fault in there action (wide, empty road at night) it shows a poor attitude, and personally, i hope this person looses thier licence, people who try and justify stupidity, are the people we need off the road!

Furthermore, as one other post points out, the OP’s comments in other threads only stand to highlight the poor attitude they have on the roads.

All of this is covered in the Road Ready materials you’re meant to be familiar with prior to obtaining a Provisional licence.

I will echo other comments on hear in saying suck it up.

I was caught last year while still on Ps doing 80 in the 60 zone driving into Tuggeranong on Athlon Dr (where the speed changes outside the pool). Police with radar were set up there and directed me to pull over, checked vehicle and licence. To summarise, they would have had me for 20 over the limit + not displaying P plates and perhaps could have done something with not having two hands on the wheel.

Guess what, as soon as I pulled over and was told of why, I admitted up front that yes, I was over, no I didn’t have a reason and no I didn’t have P plates on the vehicle.

Officer immediately indicated he would use discretion to knock down the next bracket down and wouldn’t worry about the plates.

After some time waiting for the ticket in the mail, I range AFP and found they had not recorded the offence at all.

Deal with it, be honest and accept responsibility. Don’t go on making stupid excuses or trying to get out of it.

Saying things like: “Is it likely to win a dispute against the fine, my excuse being, I was desperate to make it to the bathroom with stomach pains. I do not speed, and always drive safely and by the road rules.”

is a good way to end up with the magistrate revoking your licence and hitting you with dispute costs. And frankly they should.

When it doubt, you should always be prepared like Lisa Nowak:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/astronauts-kidnap-bid/2007/02/06/1170524077454.html

blowers said :

A hatchback and…. this is not the first time you’ve sped. Its just that the annoying Speed van was in the vicinity this time.

Are you suggesting all hatch back drivers speed?

There a little old lady up the road from me, who drives a Honda Jazz (Naturally) whitch is a hatch back, and i can tell you now, that woman has never sped in her entire life!!!

In fact, I’m fairly certain she has never broken 1/2 the posted limit!!!

I should probably note that he had his full license though, not his provisional one!

carnardly said :

and as I read your thoughts on speeding and the system on the other current speeding thread… *rolls eyes…*

“but doing 15km over is no where near as big as that. So if the cops are giving you demerits but didn
‘t take my mates licence of him then the law is a joke. Also there is a 10% Leniancy… meaning you werent really exceeding the speed limit too dangerously if coppas are happy to let people travel at 109 on the hwy and not pull them over. Cops pick on P platers, when In reailty, why should the guy in the porche be any less of hazard than you, he might actually be a P Plater too and not be displaying his P’s. If an accident is going to happen its gonna happen, a P plater going the same speed as a full licenced driver (both speeding) there shuolnt be a difference as to who is pulled over”

Cops don’t pick on P platers. Cops try to grab the bad drivers to protect the rest of us.

And given your views that 15 kms over a speed limit is fine but your 20-25 kms over is not, any sympathy I might’ve had for you (none), is reinforced wholeheartedly.

One day when you’re old and wise, you might get that many P platers earn their own reputation. While they may be able to steer a car, it doesn’t mean they can actually drive, nor accept and be aware of the responsibilities that go with the privilege of driving on the roads.

I fully agree, also, I would like to point out that the 10% rule, is a bloody myth (ask a few cops, and the RTA) I beleive the leineincy is 3kmph.

I would also like to point out though, that there is sometimes P-plater targeting, the odd rouge cop, but more just other drivers, it is by no means as prolific as many people would say (it’s like the Dragon Lady at mittagong RTA, anyone who gets failed on their test by a woman, assumes, and tell everyone it’s becase they got the dragon lady, however, the legendary dragon lady, left in the late 80’s)

I have mentioned before the old guy who thought I should be doing 90 not the signposted 100 on the monaro (act P plater) so he decided to make a bunch of rude gestures, swerve, honk, take out his phone and film me, nearly take out a van, then a tree, and eventually speed off ahead of me (i know why he filmed me, as i ended up parked next to him at calwell shops, to cop his rant about how the NSW 90k p plate limit is nation wide, which it is not!)

If you did lose your licence I believe you can apply for a special licence that allows you to drive to and from work and under certain conditions. My brother in law lost his licence for DUI – it was his birthday and he went out from some drinks with his mates and was pulled over on the way home in the wee hours of the morning. He would have been under the limit had he driven home before midnight but because his license had expired on his birthday (3 hours before) he was considered as driving unlicensed and over the 0.00 limit and they suspended his licence. Not exactly sure how you suspend an expired one but there you go! But as he had no prior convictions or traffic offences he was able to apply for it. He was an idiot for driving at all but he’s certainly learnt his lesson.

Not going to judge you as I am pretty sure we have all (regardless of how much we want to dispute it) sped at some point in time – be it inadvertently or blatantly for various reasons. Not saying it’s okay but those in glass houses…

A hatchback and…. this is not the first time you’ve sped. Its just that the annoying Speed van was in the vicinity this time.

Let me guess, you drive a hatchback.

Pretty sure you have a better chance of getting away with squating behind a bush without being seen, and defending it if you had too (look Mr Policeman, thats my pile of crap) than trying to use a lame arse excuss in a court of law, as I am sure they would. Surely you arent that precious that you couldnt stop for a squat?

and as I read your thoughts on speeding and the system on the other current speeding thread… *rolls eyes…*

“but doing 15km over is no where near as big as that. So if the cops are giving you demerits but didn
‘t take my mates licence of him then the law is a joke. Also there is a 10% Leniancy… meaning you werent really exceeding the speed limit too dangerously if coppas are happy to let people travel at 109 on the hwy and not pull them over. Cops pick on P platers, when In reailty, why should the guy in the porche be any less of hazard than you, he might actually be a P Plater too and not be displaying his P’s. If an accident is going to happen its gonna happen, a P plater going the same speed as a full licenced driver (both speeding) there shuolnt be a difference as to who is pulled over”

Cops don’t pick on P platers. Cops try to grab the bad drivers to protect the rest of us.

And given your views that 15 kms over a speed limit is fine but your 20-25 kms over is not, any sympathy I might’ve had for you (none), is reinforced wholeheartedly.

One day when you’re old and wise, you might get that many P platers earn their own reputation. While they may be able to steer a car, it doesn’t mean they can actually drive, nor accept and be aware of the responsibilities that go with the privilege of driving on the roads.

Just copy everyone else with P’s and get your mum or uncle to take the points for you.

you know, they have heard every excuse in the book, and you are just another one of a zillion.

You saw a van but not the speed sign? If you were that desperate, you could’ve gone to any service station and dashed in. Or pulled up behind a clump of trees and did what you had to do.

I’m with the others – no sympathy and no excuses. Even if there was no other traffic and it was late at night. I bet you were still in a residential area….

Emma29 said :

I haven’t asked to be critiscised for speeding down a wide road at 11pm on wednesday night when there was no traffic and i needed a toilet DESPERATELY.

Best. Defence. Ever.

However, next time you’re really busting—imagine it’s even worse than last time and you have to go even faster—the judge might want to see some errant exclamation marks to really highlight your desperation.

dks00k said :

Suck it up princess…

And you have never sped in your entire life? or broken a road rule? I doubt you haven’t.

Im happy to take the points and pay the fine, Im asking questions to figure out what sort of fine ill cop and whether its likely Ill lose my license.

Thanks to everyone who has given consturctive feeback, as you can see I have asked questions -I haven’t asked to be critiscised for speeding down a wide road at 11pm on wednesday night when there was no traffic and i needed a toilet DESPERATELY.

Its a relief to know I wont lose my licence as I have no other traffic offenses!

Laurat said :

if you did not see a camera flash you are probably very lucky and not been done. Otherwise younger up for about $245.00 and 3 demerits. Road ready is a great idea but won’t help you in regards tonthe demerits this time around.

Solidarity said :

Relax.

If it didn’t flash you’ll be right.

Anyway, do the P-off course if it really bothers you, then don’t pay the speeding fine till after you’ve completed it, the points don’t come off till you’ve paid the fine.

These days the camera’s use IR instead of flash, so drivers aren’t distracted by the bright light emanating from the white van…

You broke the law champion, I hope you get caught. Why the freak were you going 83km/h in a 60km/h zone? To take a piss? Here’s a few thoughts: speed limits, particularly 60 zones are set according to road conditions. So you go 23km/h faster that would seem safe. You then lose control of your shitbox Excel and plow it into a telegraph pole. For the next 60 years of your life you can piss into a plastic bag and your family can feed you cold soup while you sit in a wheelchair, unable to move but fully able to think about how bad you needed that piss 60 years ago.

I have zero sympathy and you are the reason P platers get such a bad rap. Is your surname Gillespie by any chance?

/rant

“I do not speed, and always drive safely and by the road rules.”

Except for when you’re speeding and not driving safely or by the road rules.

Depressingly, everybody bar me in my P-off course was the same as you, they had no points left and needed to do the course to get more points… (I did it mainly because I didn’t want to display the plate anymore, it was a hassle when switching cars)

Madman said :

You could also download the smartphone app Trapster. It’s free and users can report where there are live traps and it alerts people in the same area of the trap. If you see or don’t see it then you can vote on it.

Because speeding and then using a phone at the same time is a good idea?

Laurat said :

if you did not see a camera flash you are probably very lucky and not been done. Otherwise you are up for about $245.00 and 3 demerits. Road ready is a great idea but won’t help you in regards tonthe demerits this time around.

if you did not see a camera flash you are probably very lucky and not been done. Otherwise younger up for about $245.00 and 3 demerits. Road ready is a great idea but won’t help you in regards tonthe demerits this time around.

Madman said :

You could also download the smartphone app Trapster. It’s free and users can report where there are live traps and it alerts people in the same area of the trap. If you see or don’t see it then you can vote on it.

Yeah either that, or maybe just don’t speed. Those vans won’t ping you unless you are nearly on top of them.

Suck it up princess…

15 – 30km/h = 3 points.

And no they won’t dismiss the fine if you dispute it in court with the excuse of having stomach pains.

Hmmm, I’m guessing this post is some sort of wind up. Sorry, but I hope you’re not expecting much in the way of constructive answers!

You could also download the smartphone app Trapster. It’s free and users can report where there are live traps and it alerts people in the same area of the trap. If you see or don’t see it then you can vote on it.

There is no excuse for speeding. You deserve whatever you get.

http://www.rego.act.gov.au/infringements/infringedemerit.htm – Exceeding the speed limit by 15 km/h but less than 30 km/h = 3 points.

You were speeding, you got caught, you pay & wear the penalty.

Information from ACT gov FAQ

Due to traffic infringements, I have reached my demerit points allowance. If I do the P Off course before I pay the fine and receive a letter of suspension, will I get the increased 4 demerit points allowance (which is awarded upon completing the course) and be able to keep my licence? No, your licence conditions at the time of offence is noted and if your demerit points allowance at that time was 4 points, your licence will be suspended regardless of whether you attend the course or not. However, if you complete the course, your demerit points allowance will be increased to 8 points and the P plate can be removed from your vehicle when your suspension period is completed. The course can be undertaken during a suspension period as there are no practical driving components in the course.

For more information go to: http://www.roadready.act.gov.au

Only 3 demerit points for 15-30km/h over the limit.You’ll be fine if you have no previous infringements.

http://www.rego.act.gov.au/infringements/infringedemerit.htm

Exceeding the speed limit by 15 km/h but less than 30 km/h = 3 Demerits

I’m not sure about some of it, but I know that if you do a P-Off course it won’t help points wise- I knew someone who tried the same thing but they take the points of from when you got the fine, so she still lost her licence.

Relax.

If it didn’t flash you’ll be right.

Anyway, do the P-off course if it really bothers you, then don’t pay the speeding fine till after you’ve completed it, the points don’t come off till you’ve paid the fine.

20kms over is max 3 points I believe. Up to 15 is 1 point? So you should be safe.

Get a GPS with a speed alert program that constantly beeps at you in real time when you exceed the limit in whatever street you’re on, and though not foolproof (roadworks aren’t updated for instance) it will not only keep your mind focussed on keeping within the limits but alert you when your concentration has strayed. Mine (A Navig8r G35) has already paid for itself when it alerted me to the change from 80 to 60 on Hindmarsh Drive approaching the town centre, that I hadn’t seen because the signs aren’t exactly obvious given there’s no change in road shape, width or design.

This will go well.