20 April 2017

How can we fix Northbourne Avenue?

| Leon Arundell
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Northbourne Avenue Northbourne Ave

Canberra’s central business district is divided by a fifty-metre wide roadway that is set to become even more dangerous, and even more dysfunctional.

Northbourne Avenue’s six general traffic lanes, two shared paths and two cycle lanes will soon be joined by two light rail tracks. Fifteen thousand light rail passengers will use the Alinga Street terminus each day. Passengers travelling to or from north of the terminus will have to negotiate Canberra’s most dangerous place for pedestrians – the intersection of Northbourne Avenue with Bunda and Rudd Streets.

Pedestrian crossings currently connect only to the east and west. But light rail passengers will want to travel in all directions, especially south-east to the bus interchange. Better pedestrian crossings could improve safety, allow quicker bus-tram connections, and help the Government to increase the public transport share of all work trips to 16% by 2026.

Northbourne Avenue is dangerous for pedestrians. It’s the only part of a major shopping area in the ACT where pedestrians face vehicles travelling legally at 60 km/h. Two pedestrians have been killed on Northbourne Avenue since 2006. The Territory’s three most dangerous locations for pedestrian injuries are the intersections of Northbourne Avenue with Bunda and Rudd Streets, with Macarthur and Wakefield Avenues, and with London Circuit. It might be even worse, but for traffic signal improvements that reduced the number of risky crossings.

Northbourne Avenue is dangerous for cyclists. Its intersection with Morphett Street in Dickson is the ACT’s worst location for cyclist injuries. Six of the seven most dangerous locations are along Northbourne Avenue.

Northbourne Avenue is also dangerous for motor vehicles. It averages a crash every two days, and an injury a month. The intersection of Northbourne Avenue with Barry Drive and Cooyong Street had 61 crashes and four injuries during 2013 and 2014.

Walter and Marion Griffin designed Northbourne Avenue for a city that would not need traffic signals because only a few of its 30,000 inhabitants would own cars. They would have designed Northbourne Avenue very differently if they had anticipated that Canberra would have 240,000 passenger vehicles and 300 signalised intersections. Its wide medians mean that most pedestrians crossing to the diagonally opposite corner of a Northbourne Avenue intersection have to wait at a red signal before commencing to cross the side road, wait at another red signal before starting to cross Northbourne Avenue, and then wait at a third red signal before completing their crossing. At the intersections with London Circuit, with Alinga Street, and with Rudd and Bunda Streets, vehicles turning right have to wait at up to two red signals.

Northbourne Avenue’s wide medians mean six less seconds of traffic signal green time, per cycle, than at normal intersections. Reduced green time has a disproportionate effect on peak period congestion delays.

Northbourne Avenue’s intersection with Rudd and Bunda Streets is the epicentre of Canberra’s morning congestion. Traffic banks up from there until it blocks the intersection with Barry Drive and Cooyong Street. This causes a kilometre-long cascade of congestion, that partly blocks every intersection back to Ipima Street.

The parkland along the centre of Northbourne Avenue has twice the total area of Glebe Park. But few people use it because it’s all within fifteen metres of the noise, fumes and danger of three lanes of 60 km/h traffic.

Planning Minister Mick Gentleman said that he intended to create environments that are child- and age-friendly and support cycling and walking, and noted that community and stakeholders emphasised the need to adopt a placemaking approach that focuses on pedestrians first, cyclists second, public transport third than private vehicles.

How can we apply those principles to make Northbourne Avenue a safer, more efficient, and more enjoyable space?

Leon Arundell is Chair of Living Streets Canberra.

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wildturkeycanoe said :

In terms of cost, why wouldn’t it be feasible to go underground? The Snowy 2 project involves a 27km tunnel and power station, for a mere $2 billion. The tram is already near that, so maybe underground isn’t such a bad idea.

It may well be feasible, although I imagine that building a tunnel through a city is more complex than through undeveloped grassland/forest. And there is the issue of whether its worth spending a lot of money to speed up people’s commutes twice a day, given that in between rush hours the traffic isnt terrible

In terms of pedestrian safety, there is the option of overpasses – they arent very common in Australia but in some cities (HK is a prime example) they are very common. Of course, in HK many of the overpasses go from multi story shopping mall to another similar shopping mall; people arent always too keen on walking up and down stairs just to cross the road.

AngryIan said :

They should have made the tram aerial. That way no lights to stop at and when they want a stop they can drop down to a 3m high platform. Trams then go at 90kph o faster between long distance stops. It would make my travel time to civic <15 minutes and if this is the case I would leave the bike and car at home.

Please dont start that discussion on here again ! An ariel type tram, or gondola type ariel solution was raised by a past contributor on here a while back. He was basically shouted down by apologists for the ACT Labor/Greens Govt and pro tramers, so no longer posts here I believe. Instead of something like that “visionary” solution, the ACT Labor/Greens Govt did not properly nor fully consider all alternative & emerging public transport solutions but instead instead went with a surface based tram.

wildturkeycanoe8:30 am 01 May 17

dtc said :

So does anyone actually have a suggestion as to how to improve Northbourne Ave? The only one I saw was to build a tunnel, which would solve the problem but might not be feasible.

In terms of cost, why wouldn’t it be feasible to go underground? The Snowy 2 project involves a 27km tunnel and power station, for a mere $2 billion. The tram is already near that, so maybe underground isn’t such a bad idea.

AngryIan said :

dungfungus said :

MenaP said :

With roundabouts instead of traffic lights!

Actually, I am advised that when the trams start trundling down Moonscape Avenue with their right of way, no right turns from the motor vehicle lanes (across the tramway) will be allowed.

This is sure to help ease congestion.

They should have made the tram aerial. That way no lights to stop at and when they want a stop they can drop down to a 3m high platform. Trams then go at 90kph o faster between long distance stops. It would make my travel time to civic <15 minutes and if this is the case I would leave the bike and car at home.

That sounds like a “pop-up tram”.

It wouldn’t want to go too high or it might collide with the Sky Whale.

Here’s how we can make Northbourne flow better – 1) streamlining the number of intersections and which way they allow turns, eg at Braddon you have Girrawheen, Elouera and Cooyong Sts all one block apart allowing turns in every direction – Elouera could be a “left only” intersection (make Girawheen 2 lanes each way to accommodate). Rudd/Bunda St could also be left only, the other adjacent roads provide options to turn right 2) separating the bike lane from traffic/buses, the median would have been perfect but with tram probably cant accommodate now 3) bridging or tunneling the bike crossing at Dickson near Morphett St (one less light). 4) More “turn left at any time with care” slip lanes at intersections to move traffic through.

So does anyone actually have a suggestion as to how to improve Northbourne Ave? The only one I saw was to build a tunnel, which would solve the problem but might not be feasible.

What about some under and over passes, like at Kings Ave Bridge?

And some alternative routes to cross the lake. Another bridge seems unlikely and I dont know if there is a viable option, but what about improving Limestone Ave and sending more people down that way instead of through Civic?

ChrisinTurner6:50 pm 30 Apr 17

The government’s EIS for the Tram said congestion will increase on Northbourne Ave as a result of signal priority changes. Turning Northbourne into a parking lot should make it much safer for pedestrians and bicycles.

dungfungus said :

MenaP said :

With roundabouts instead of traffic lights!

Actually, I am advised that when the trams start trundling down Moonscape Avenue with their right of way, no right turns from the motor vehicle lanes (across the tramway) will be allowed.

This is sure to help ease congestion.

They should have made the tram aerial. That way no lights to stop at and when they want a stop they can drop down to a 3m high platform. Trams then go at 90kph o faster between long distance stops. It would make my travel time to civic <15 minutes and if this is the case I would leave the bike and car at home.

I fear the light rails will be with us for a long time to come, Dungers, with or without the trams.

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

MERC600 said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

Ps the trees and grass will grow back. Just like last time the trees were replaced 20 odd years goo.

I have lived in Canberra for the past 40 years and I don’t recall the trees along the Northbourne Avenue median strip being replaced at any time as they are planned to be now.

Perhaps you could provide a link to prove this, please.

And yes, the grass will grow back, between the acres of concrete and under the wires.

Sorry Dungers. I used to steam along Northbourne Avenue every working day in the 80’s and can remember the trees being replaced.
Found this in a ACT Planning site ”
Second replacement plantings of river peppermints 1987
By 1981, the red gums were suffering from the combined effects of drought and gas pipe laying.27

They were replaced by quick growing river peppermint (Eucalyptus elata) during 1987 under the direction of Pryor’s successor John Gray.28

They have always been replaced progressively but it wasn’t the complete removal and delayed replacement we are looking at now as was my statement “as they are planned to be now”.

Well der they are being replaced now for good reason. Yeah know you don’t like that reason, but the whinging of people over these ‘pristine’ trees is well ott.

It’s been clearly demonstrated and stated that they are not as old as many make out and they willl be replaced with more than what has been removed

In other words it’s temporary.

At no time were those trees clear felled like they have been now. I did refer to Moonscape Avenue.

That is the point.

And I don’t think eucalyptus were ever the right choice. Majestic Grevillea Robustas would have been perfect, especially the unique symetrical vista they could have presented when they are in bloom.

Yeah the 6 lane road does create a moonscape environment doesn’t it? But that’s ok yeah? Road. Never mind the light rail construction is just temporary.

Just as the light rail novelty will be temporary.

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

MERC600 said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

Ps the trees and grass will grow back. Just like last time the trees were replaced 20 odd years goo.

I have lived in Canberra for the past 40 years and I don’t recall the trees along the Northbourne Avenue median strip being replaced at any time as they are planned to be now.

Perhaps you could provide a link to prove this, please.

And yes, the grass will grow back, between the acres of concrete and under the wires.

Sorry Dungers. I used to steam along Northbourne Avenue every working day in the 80’s and can remember the trees being replaced.
Found this in a ACT Planning site ”
Second replacement plantings of river peppermints 1987
By 1981, the red gums were suffering from the combined effects of drought and gas pipe laying.27

They were replaced by quick growing river peppermint (Eucalyptus elata) during 1987 under the direction of Pryor’s successor John Gray.28

They have always been replaced progressively but it wasn’t the complete removal and delayed replacement we are looking at now as was my statement “as they are planned to be now”.

Well der they are being replaced now for good reason. Yeah know you don’t like that reason, but the whinging of people over these ‘pristine’ trees is well ott.

It’s been clearly demonstrated and stated that they are not as old as many make out and they willl be replaced with more than what has been removed

In other words it’s temporary.

At no time were those trees clear felled like they have been now. I did refer to Moonscape Avenue.

That is the point.

And I don’t think eucalyptus were ever the right choice. Majestic Grevillea Robustas would have been perfect, especially the unique symetrical vista they could have presented when they are in bloom.

Yeah the 6 lane road does create a moonscape environment doesn’t it? But that’s ok yeah? Road. Never mind the light rail construction is just temporary.

JC said :

dungfungus said :

MERC600 said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

Ps the trees and grass will grow back. Just like last time the trees were replaced 20 odd years goo.

I have lived in Canberra for the past 40 years and I don’t recall the trees along the Northbourne Avenue median strip being replaced at any time as they are planned to be now.

Perhaps you could provide a link to prove this, please.

And yes, the grass will grow back, between the acres of concrete and under the wires.

Sorry Dungers. I used to steam along Northbourne Avenue every working day in the 80’s and can remember the trees being replaced.
Found this in a ACT Planning site ”
Second replacement plantings of river peppermints 1987
By 1981, the red gums were suffering from the combined effects of drought and gas pipe laying.27

They were replaced by quick growing river peppermint (Eucalyptus elata) during 1987 under the direction of Pryor’s successor John Gray.28

They have always been replaced progressively but it wasn’t the complete removal and delayed replacement we are looking at now as was my statement “as they are planned to be now”.

Well der they are being replaced now for good reason. Yeah know you don’t like that reason, but the whinging of people over these ‘pristine’ trees is well ott.

It’s been clearly demonstrated and stated that they are not as old as many make out and they willl be replaced with more than what has been removed

In other words it’s temporary.

At no time were those trees clear felled like they have been now. I did refer to Moonscape Avenue.

That is the point.

And I don’t think eucalyptus were ever the right choice. Majestic Grevillea Robustas would have been perfect, especially the unique symetrical vista they could have presented when they are in bloom.

dungfungus said :

MERC600 said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

Ps the trees and grass will grow back. Just like last time the trees were replaced 20 odd years goo.

I have lived in Canberra for the past 40 years and I don’t recall the trees along the Northbourne Avenue median strip being replaced at any time as they are planned to be now.

Perhaps you could provide a link to prove this, please.

And yes, the grass will grow back, between the acres of concrete and under the wires.

Sorry Dungers. I used to steam along Northbourne Avenue every working day in the 80’s and can remember the trees being replaced.
Found this in a ACT Planning site ”
Second replacement plantings of river peppermints 1987
By 1981, the red gums were suffering from the combined effects of drought and gas pipe laying.27

They were replaced by quick growing river peppermint (Eucalyptus elata) during 1987 under the direction of Pryor’s successor John Gray.28

They have always been replaced progressively but it wasn’t the complete removal and delayed replacement we are looking at now as was my statement “as they are planned to be now”.

Well der they are being replaced now for good reason. Yeah know you don’t like that reason, but the whinging of people over these ‘pristine’ trees is well ott.

It’s been clearly demonstrated and stated that they are not as old as many make out and they willl be replaced with more than what has been removed

In other words it’s temporary.

wildturkeycanoe9:26 pm 27 Apr 17

ffisher said :

It is unsafe and too fast.

You consider 50km/h maximum in stop start traffic too fast???
What is unsafe about Northbourne Avenue apart from the narrowness of the lanes ever since they squeezed the cyclists onto the road as well?

ffisher said :

improved nothing and in the end it will end up a loss making venture because all the Federal public servants who might have used it are about to be moved to the regions! LOL.

This I agree with totally. Where exactly are all the new residents who are buying apartments along the tram corridor going to get their money from? The public service has been taken over by Coles [Down down!] and their jobs are being stolen by the Nationals Party to be sold off on Ebay to the highest rural bidder. There are consistently declining numbers of staff in our services such as Centerlink, Medicare and A.C.T government shopfronts [Who have even taken away nearly all the seats in the shopfront]. So where are the jobs that are going to prop up the economy and get the tram up and running?
Lately, nothing makes sense in Canberra.

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

Ps the trees and grass will grow back. Just like last time the trees were replaced 20 odd years goo.

I have lived in Canberra for the past 40 years and I don’t recall the trees along the Northbourne Avenue median strip being replaced at any time as they are planned to be now.

Perhaps you could provide a link to prove this, please.

And yes, the grass will grow back, between the acres of concrete and under the wires.

So when do you reckon those trees were planted then?

Here’s a link to an image of trees in Northbourne Avenue in 2009

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=northbourne+avenue,+canberra&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiew5iZisPTAhUFoZQKHdrLCFMQ_AUICygC&biw=1536&bih=702#tbm=isch&q=northbourne+avenue+in+the+1970's,+canberra&imgrc=cYX_sR-ijxYfgM:

They look about 20 years old so, 20 + 18 = 38 years.

Where’s your link?

That’s actually 28 years not 38 as I said 20 odd.

Anyway merc600 has same memory as me, in my case it was early 90’s when I was working at a Braddon servo.

The key difference is the trees before we’re not replaced wholesale rather gradually over a number of years. And of course it wasn’t a building site.

MERC600 said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

Ps the trees and grass will grow back. Just like last time the trees were replaced 20 odd years goo.

I have lived in Canberra for the past 40 years and I don’t recall the trees along the Northbourne Avenue median strip being replaced at any time as they are planned to be now.

Perhaps you could provide a link to prove this, please.

And yes, the grass will grow back, between the acres of concrete and under the wires.

Sorry Dungers. I used to steam along Northbourne Avenue every working day in the 80’s and can remember the trees being replaced.
Found this in a ACT Planning site ”
Second replacement plantings of river peppermints 1987
By 1981, the red gums were suffering from the combined effects of drought and gas pipe laying.27

They were replaced by quick growing river peppermint (Eucalyptus elata) during 1987 under the direction of Pryor’s successor John Gray.28

They have always been replaced progressively but it wasn’t the complete removal and delayed replacement we are looking at now as was my statement “as they are planned to be now”.

dungfungus said :

JC said :

Ps the trees and grass will grow back. Just like last time the trees were replaced 20 odd years goo.

I have lived in Canberra for the past 40 years and I don’t recall the trees along the Northbourne Avenue median strip being replaced at any time as they are planned to be now.

Perhaps you could provide a link to prove this, please.

And yes, the grass will grow back, between the acres of concrete and under the wires.

Sorry Dungers. I used to steam along Northbourne Avenue every working day in the 80’s and can remember the trees being replaced.
Found this in a ACT Planning site ”
Second replacement plantings of river peppermints 1987
By 1981, the red gums were suffering from the combined effects of drought and gas pipe laying.27

They were replaced by quick growing river peppermint (Eucalyptus elata) during 1987 under the direction of Pryor’s successor John Gray.28

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

Ps the trees and grass will grow back. Just like last time the trees were replaced 20 odd years goo.

I have lived in Canberra for the past 40 years and I don’t recall the trees along the Northbourne Avenue median strip being replaced at any time as they are planned to be now.

Perhaps you could provide a link to prove this, please.

And yes, the grass will grow back, between the acres of concrete and under the wires.

So when do you reckon those trees were planted then?

Here’s a link to an image of trees in Northbourne Avenue in 2009

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=northbourne+avenue,+canberra&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiew5iZisPTAhUFoZQKHdrLCFMQ_AUICygC&biw=1536&bih=702#tbm=isch&q=northbourne+avenue+in+the+1970's,+canberra&imgrc=cYX_sR-ijxYfgM:

They look about 20 years old so, 20 + 18 = 38 years.

Where’s your link?

dungfungus said :

JC said :

Ps the trees and grass will grow back. Just like last time the trees were replaced 20 odd years goo.

I have lived in Canberra for the past 40 years and I don’t recall the trees along the Northbourne Avenue median strip being replaced at any time as they are planned to be now.

Perhaps you could provide a link to prove this, please.

And yes, the grass will grow back, between the acres of concrete and under the wires.

So when do you reckon those trees were planted then?

How can we fix Northbourne Ave? Well you get what you vote for. It is unsafe and too fast. If the point of the train was to get cars off the road they should have put the train on the road and considered a ‘trackless’ system instead they destroyed the amenity of entrance to the city, improved nothing and in the end it will end up a loss making venture because all the Federal public servants who might have used it are about to be moved to the regions! LOL.

JC said :

Ps the trees and grass will grow back. Just like last time the trees were replaced 20 odd years goo.

I have lived in Canberra for the past 40 years and I don’t recall the trees along the Northbourne Avenue median strip being replaced at any time as they are planned to be now.

Perhaps you could provide a link to prove this, please.

And yes, the grass will grow back, between the acres of concrete and under the wires.

JC said :

dungfungus said :

MenaP said :

With roundabouts instead of traffic lights!

Actually, I am advised that when the trams start trundling down Moonscape Avenue with their right of way, no right turns from the motor vehicle lanes (across the tramway) will be allowed.

This is sure to help ease congestion.

A melodramatic over miss-representation. There will be one possibly two minor intersections where right turns won’t be allowed. And not so as to reduce congestion either.

The one that comes to mind is Rudd Street in the city. Already an intersection where right turning traffic has to turn and stop. Low (turn) volume and easily replaced by turning right (if south bound) onto Barry drive and into left into Moore Street. Actually my wife works on Moore street and this already the faster way to go anyway.

And if heading north few if any turn right anyway since Bunda Street became a shared zone, but again go to Cooyong Street and back if you need to.

My comment about “reducing congestion” was one of satire. We all know the trams will increase congestion.

In regard to right turns and other vagaries that motorists will have to contend with, please refer to this instructional video produced by Yarra Trams in Melbourne which is mind-boggling.

I can’t believe Canberrans will tolerate this sort of disruption.
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=driving+with+trams&kpvalbx=1

Also, note the ugly wirescape in some of these scenes.

Yes Canberra, we are on a winner with the trams (satire again).

Ps the trees and grass will grow back. Just like last time the trees were replaced 20 odd years goo.

dungfungus said :

MenaP said :

With roundabouts instead of traffic lights!

Actually, I am advised that when the trams start trundling down Moonscape Avenue with their right of way, no right turns from the motor vehicle lanes (across the tramway) will be allowed.

This is sure to help ease congestion.

A melodramatic over miss-representation. There will be one possibly two minor intersections where right turns won’t be allowed. And not so as to reduce congestion either.

The one that comes to mind is Rudd Street in the city. Already an intersection where right turning traffic has to turn and stop. Low (turn) volume and easily replaced by turning right (if south bound) onto Barry drive and into left into Moore Street. Actually my wife works on Moore street and this already the faster way to go anyway.

And if heading north few if any turn right anyway since Bunda Street became a shared zone, but again go to Cooyong Street and back if you need to.

MenaP said :

With roundabouts instead of traffic lights!

Actually, I am advised that when the trams start trundling down Moonscape Avenue with their right of way, no right turns from the motor vehicle lanes (across the tramway) will be allowed.

This is sure to help ease congestion.

The city could do with a bypass, a tunnel starting before Dickson and coming out the other side of the little hill could probably reduce 50% of the traffic that currently has to use the city as a route rather than a destination. The nice landscapes we have don’t get ruined with another big road, and every person in Canberra who works in the city is given better access without having to build individual solutions for each of them. Even traffic from the south would benefit because there’s not a traffic jam in the city that is contributing to their delays. Every surrounding road, not just Northbourne, would see less congestion, rat-run bypasses currently used a thing of the past. Tram gonna look great I’m sure, but it’s not a problem solving solution.

@Bryan. Living in a ground floor place along Northbourne, I can certainly tell you were all the cockroaches went.

Did anyone even think about the fate of the birds and animals whose habitat was suddenly removed. ? I and others saw numbers of dead magpies in Garema Place and City Walk which were the result of territorial disputes.

tim_c said :

And 70% of crashes involving pedestrians are entirely the fault of the pedestrian. Teach them to wait for the signals if they want to stay safe.

The whole concept of strict legal liability for causing a crash does nothing to prevent the event occurring. Everyone needs to take a giant step back and pay greater attention to assessing risk. I can advise from personal experience that running over a drunk crossing at the wrong spot does have a personal impact on the driver as well as making a mess of your vehicle – blood and hair are very difficult to remove.

With roundabouts instead of traffic lights!

ChrisinTurner2:15 pm 22 Apr 17

A good start would be to recognise that Northbourne Ave (through Civic) is inside the City pedestrian area and should be part of the 40km/hr zone.

Queanbeyanite12:58 pm 22 Apr 17

Nothing you can do about it Leon, because we can’t all work from home.
I scanned Mr Gentleman’s brochure and it certainly sounds idyllic. Wouldn’t it be great if everyone could live 15 mins walk from work in a local shared multi-department office. Just sack any bludgers that can’t be trusted to actually do any work if they’re not watched all the time.

Leon Arundell10:51 am 22 Apr 17

tim_c said :

And 70% of crashes involving pedestrians are entirely the fault of the pedestrian.

What is the basis of this claim? A 1996 report from the Federal Office of Road Safety said that 74% of pedestrians killed on roads were found to be at fault. Obviously the dead pedestrians weren’t able to argue their case before the coroners, and this statistic doesn’t apply to the 293 non-fatal pedestrian crashes (of a total of 300) that have occurred in Canberra since 2012.

The idea that the central road spine can place cars last is not feasible. It is inherently Multiuse and deconfliction should be the aim with special emphasis on key locations. Special emphasis on pedestrian issues around the cbd and good crossing options generally. You’d think the dedicated spaces for trams opened up opportunities for dedicated bike lanes truly deconflicted from buses and cars wouldn’t you?

So, Leon….
Explain to me how Melbourne deals with light rail, light and heavy traffic, pedestrians and cycle traffic, constantly for many many decades and how it does it badly.
What I see here is a pile of ‘Oh my gawd’s’ with no critique of how Northbourne was before they started the light rail vs impact of the light rail.
My classification of this article is “chicken little”

And 70% of crashes involving pedestrians are entirely the fault of the pedestrian. Teach them to wait for the signals if they want to stay safe.

“Fifteen thousand light rail passengers will use the Alinga Street terminus each day.”

As Michael Caton said in The Castle, “Tell him he’s dreamin'”

Canberra Metro or whoever ends up running the trolley folly will be lucky to get half that number.

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