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How many ACT public servants are there?

By las 5 September 2011 46

Just wondering if anyone had accurate figures on how many ACT public servants there are?

I heard a rumour of 18,000?????

That’s 1/20th of the population involved in administering the population if its accurate.  That sounds super crazy to me, any ideas people of the interwebs?


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Jethro 6:53 pm 12 Sep 11

sehmahare said :

Look – as a Cwlth pube, I’m the first to ridicule my kind as often the stereotype fits the bill. HOWEVER, please do not draw a division between ‘real workers’ like teachers, nurses etc and ‘desk workers’ as if no work of importance was ever done slaving over a computer. It’s the way of the world we live in, so this label is getting a bit old hat.

I never classified people such as nurses, teachers, police, etc as ‘real’ workers, simply stated that they work under more stressful conditions for less pay, which is the truth.

My wife is a ‘desk worker’ and, despite less years on the job and a much less stressful job, earns a significantly higher wage than me.

sehmahare 4:03 pm 12 Sep 11

Look – as a Cwlth pube, I’m the first to ridicule my kind as often the stereotype fits the bill. HOWEVER, please do not draw a division between ‘real workers’ like teachers, nurses etc and ‘desk workers’ as if no work of importance was ever done slaving over a computer. It’s the way of the world we live in, so this label is getting a bit old hat.

creative_canberran 11:44 pm 06 Sep 11

chewy14 said :

KB1971 said :

chewy14 said :

KB1971 said :

I’m pretty sure your gas, water and electricity isn’t provided by public servants. As for the 5% figure, without comparisons It’s pretty much useless.

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It is in part, ACTEW and AGL area combined entity so there is still a government owned component.

Partly owned by government but they aren’t classified as public servants.

Some are & some are not, depends on what area you work in 😉

Well they aren’t listed in the link to the ACT public sector review provided earlier.
I thought ACTEW was a government owned corporation and ACTEWAGL was fully private but half owned by the government through ACTEW?
If that’s the case, then none of them would be classified as public servants.

My comment begins here, quote function isn’t working:

As I’ve said before, simple way to determine is whether or not employment is under the Public Service Act or similar instrument.

Now regarding ACTEW, it’s staff ceased to be part of the public service in 1994 when ACTEW was corporatised.

The Australian Capital Territory Government Service (Consequential Provisions) Amendment Bill 1996 however was passed to allow ACTEW employees to retain the right to selection on merit for APS positions.

“ACTEWAGL” is actually the umbrella for two partnerships, with ACTEW holding a 50% share in each:
Retail: ACTEW + AGL
Distribution: Jemena + ACTEW

LegalNut 11:14 pm 06 Sep 11

Holden Caulfield said :

LegalNut said :

The APS is not a fair comparison…

Quite.

Try reading the first sentence of the OP again.

I did. I was responding to several commenters who raised questions about the relative size of the APS as compared to the ACTPS.

chewy14 12:01 pm 06 Sep 11

KB1971 said :

chewy14 said :

KB1971 said :

I’m pretty sure your gas, water and electricity isn’t provided by public servants. As for the 5% figure, without comparisons It’s pretty much useless.

.
It is in part, ACTEW and AGL area combined entity so there is still a government owned component.

Partly owned by government but they aren’t classified as public servants.

Some are & some are not, depends on what area you work in 😉

Well they aren’t listed in the link to the ACT public sector review provided earlier.
I thought ACTEW was a government owned corporation and ACTEWAGL was fully private but half owned by the government through ACTEW?
If that’s the case, then none of them would be classified as public servants.

KB1971 11:31 am 06 Sep 11

chewy14 said :

KB1971 said :

I’m pretty sure your gas, water and electricity isn’t provided by public servants. As for the 5% figure, without comparisons It’s pretty much useless.

.
It is in part, ACTEW and AGL area combined entity so there is still a government owned component.

Partly owned by government but they aren’t classified as public servants.

Some are & some are not, depends on what area you work in 😉

chewy14 11:22 am 06 Sep 11

KB1971 said :

I’m pretty sure your gas, water and electricity isn’t provided by public servants. As for the 5% figure, without comparisons It’s pretty much useless.

.
It is in part, ACTEW and AGL area combined entity so there is still a government owned component.

Partly owned by government but they aren’t classified as public servants.

Ben_Dover 10:57 am 06 Sep 11

How many people work in the ACT public service?

About a third of them….”

Aye thenk yoo!

Holden Caulfield 10:28 am 06 Sep 11

LegalNut said :

The APS is not a fair comparison…

Quite.

Try reading the first sentence of the OP again.

LegalNut 10:24 am 06 Sep 11

The APS is not a fair comparison. The better comparison is to add up the total of NSW public servants, council workers, teachers, nurses, hospital doctors and public transport workers. I suspect that the sum total of that would be around 5% in NSW and every other jurisdiction in the country.

ma7trlb 9:36 am 06 Sep 11

Looking at the Isle of Man (pop 75k)- only cos I know it , there are 8k “public servants” – 25% education, 25% health, 10% welfare, 10% infrastructure, 10% exec govt and statutory boards. By this accounting, it seems the ACT is actually doing pretty well.

You would imagine that you’d need a minimum load of employees to perform basic services to a population of any size, so any ratio is meaningless?

http://www.gov.im/lib/docs/treasury/budget/2011/pinkbookfinal.pdf

Interesting that the Isle of Man Government defines anyone who undertakes duties which are wholly or mainly administrative, professional, technical or clerical in nature as a “Civil Servant” and they hold office at the pleasure of the Crown as represented by the Government of the day and are responsible for performing such duties and conforming to the policies of the departments in which they serve.

There are 2200 civil servants (or 30% of all roles) – maybe the ACT Government should publish according details?

KB1971 8:29 am 06 Sep 11

chewy14 said :

The Antichrist said :

Henry82 said :

curlylocks said :

IMO Too many.

+1

yeh and I bet you guys would be the first to whinge if the buses weren’t running on time, or you had to spend 15 hours in casualty, or your kids were in classes of 50+ because there were insufficient teachers etc etc ……or maybe your tapwater runs brown, or the gas connection hasn’t worked properly in 5 years – I could go on forever !

I am sure 5% might seem high to those who have never had to put up with *zero* public services – try living with 1 or 2% of the population doing these jobs, and I bet your views would change pretty quickly .

I’m pretty sure your gas, water and electricity isn’t provided by public servants. As for the 5% figure, without comparisons It’s pretty much useless.

.
It is in part, ACTEW and AGL area combined entity so there is still a government owned component.

L_Observer 12:36 am 06 Sep 11

About as many as are registered with the RiotAct

MWF 10:53 pm 05 Sep 11

Henry82 said :

Yep. because we would never find someone in the APS wasting time, money and resources. Everything is run and managed 100% efficiently right?

Well of course it is!

It is a well known and accepted fact that if the sons and daughters of management and/or the sons and daughters of management’s friends are the people obtaining permanent ACT Govt. jobs in certain ACT Govt. organisations, then all is good and pure. Happens almost every Thursday.

While it may look like a remarkable coincidence when this kind of thing happens, it is probably simply because Canberra is such a small place to work in. And Canberra is such a remarkable place where so many remarkable coincidences happen. It’s almost magical.

Magical, magical Canberra!

Henry82 10:22 pm 05 Sep 11

The Antichrist said :

yeh and I bet you guys would be the first to whinge if the buses weren’t running on time, or you had to spend 15 hours in casualty, or your kids were in classes of 50+

Yep. because we would never find someone in the APS wasting time, money and resources. Everything is run and managed 100% efficiently right?

yellowsnow 9:20 pm 05 Sep 11

1 in 20 sounds fair enough. Keep in mind this includes teachers, nurses, road people (apart from contractors), TAMS, arboretum workers, bus drivers, the dozens of sculptors that churn out public art, all those ACT Connect people who collect your online complaints and put them straight in the bin … the list goes on.

The federal public service doesn’t have to worry about many of these (it’s found many other creative ways to waste money, however), so of course proportionally is going to be smaller. Similarly, in the states local governments provide a lot of the services the ACT public service does, so you can’t compare us to them either.

Having said all that, I’m sure there’s a lot of waste in the ACT govt — but it’s got little to do with staff numbers, just the competence of those staff at the higher levels. Is it really that hard to consult with stakeholders, talk to colleagues in other, ahem, ‘directorates’, plan for the future not for interest groups, and efficiently manage infrastructure contracts? APS public administration 101 crash course stuff but time and time again the ACT just can’t get it right

creative_canberran 8:55 pm 05 Sep 11

matt31221 said :

What about Commonwealth public servants? How many are of them are there?

#18

2604 8:28 pm 05 Sep 11

threepaws said :

Just to clarify, I am not a public servant, but I work a desk job. I am sick to death of people thinking that because I sit at a computer all day I am am not doing a ‘real job’.

Relax dude. Statistics show that 95% of Rioters are underworked, desk-bound public servants and university employees, so you are in good company.

matt31221 7:11 pm 05 Sep 11

What about Commonwealth public servants? How many are of them are there? More specifically how many public servants work at the Attourney Generals department, and how many of them are Honeyz? I’ll tell you how many – they are in a majority! Man it was hard to work there without breaching APS code for contractors, I just wanted to wear sunnies inside so I wouldn’t get busted having a perve!! I concluded that the section that does the hiring in that place was run by a Hugh Hefner type of bloke.

Sorry about the thread hyjack I just couldn’t help myself.

threepaws 7:08 pm 05 Sep 11

las said :

I dunno 5% looking after 95% does seem like a lot to me… I guess it depends on how many are desk jobs as opposed to teachers, nurses and other positions.

Not having a go at you directly Ias, but your comment reiterates that most people don’t think of desk jobs as ‘real jobs’. Without the desk jobs as support, people with ‘real jobs’ would have a bloody tough time doing their job.

Just to clarify, I am not a public servant, but I work a desk job. I am sick to death of people thinking that because I sit at a computer all day I am am not doing a ‘real job’.

I also acknowledge that jobs that should be valued highly (teachers – shaping our children, putting up with kids all day; police – serving our community, putting up with scum all day; nurses – need I say more? Who in their right mind would become a nurse? They can’t be doing it for the money, so they must love the job, and bless those people who do decide on nursing as a career) are not as highly valued in regard to their salaries, which irks me somewhat.

I have no doubt that there are many positions in the public service that probably don’t need to exist, but the private sector is much the same.

People always seem to feel the need to justify their venom toward the public service by saying ‘my taxes are paying you! Do more for me!’

Well, I’ve been to countries where you can’t call the police because their phones are disconnected, where you’ll die before the ambulance reaches you because the traffic is out of control and the roads so poorly managed, where the electricity and water are switched off overnight because they are privately owned, where the hospital will keep your baby until you can pay the bill – so perhaps we could get a little perspective about our first world problems and be thankful for what we do have?

I personally am thankful that the police will turn up if I call them, my water is always on tap, and I am unlikely to die in an emergency room just because I don’t have any cash.

Thanks public servants at your desks, I do appreciate what you do for me!

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