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If you were one of Kostka’s victims its past time to lawyer up

By johnboy 1 October 2013 43

The ABC reports on the first compensation case against Marist to have the compensation published:

Now in one of the first cases to be made public, the ACT Supreme Court last month approved the awarding of $135,000 to a victim who claimed the Trustees of the Marist Brothers had breached its duty of care.

Efforts by the brothers to have the matter thrown out as scandalous and embarrassing were dismissed and the ABC understands that the majority of other cases settled for far more money.

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banco 9:28 pm 04 Oct 13

I’m a little surprised the parents of these kids haven’t beaten the priests (and those who covered up for them) within an inch of their lives.

Ghettosmurf87 10:53 am 04 Oct 13

IrishPete said :

Ghettosmurf87 said :

Speaking of the Catholic Church’s attempts to cover this sort of business up:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-03/catholic-church-tried-to-strike-deal-with-police-over-child-sex/4997774

Stuff the victim, we’ve just got to protect our “good” name.

Pun not intended I presume.

IP

Guilty yer honor, twas intended.

It was originally gonna be “Bugger the victim”, but thought that was going too far.

IrishPete 10:34 am 04 Oct 13

Ghettosmurf87 said :

Speaking of the Catholic Church’s attempts to cover this sort of business up:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-03/catholic-church-tried-to-strike-deal-with-police-over-child-sex/4997774

Stuff the victim, we’ve just got to protect our “good” name.

Pun not intended I presume.

IP

milkman 10:02 am 04 Oct 13

Ghettosmurf87 said :

Speaking of the Catholic Church’s attempts to cover this sort of business up:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-03/catholic-church-tried-to-strike-deal-with-police-over-child-sex/4997774

Stuff the victim, we’ve just got to protect our “good” name.

There was an interesting interview last night on the telly about this.

Ghettosmurf87 8:59 am 04 Oct 13

Speaking of the Catholic Church’s attempts to cover this sort of business up:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-03/catholic-church-tried-to-strike-deal-with-police-over-child-sex/4997774

Stuff the victim, we’ve just got to protect our “good” name.

IrishPete 8:54 am 04 Oct 13

LSWCHP said :

And finally, here’s something else I believe. Men who sexually molest children should be whipped in public by the parents of the victims. Maybe that’s an old fashioned point of view, but I’m a father with some old fashioned views. I can’t imagine this happening to my beautiful daughter or my fine young sons. If it happened, I would give the perpetrator a flogging.

Ah, self-flagellation, beloved of some religious types.

What am I talking about? Family make up a large majority of sexual abusers of children. So there are going to be a lot of fathers whipping themselves.

As well as fathers – uncles, brothers, stepfathers, and sometimes even mothers, aunts and sisters.

The American Psychological Association https://www.apa.org/pi/families/resources/child-sexual-abuse.aspx doesn’t quite back up my claim, but they are referring to any under-age victim (including teenagers) and we aren’t in America. So I stand by my statement about the majority of perpetrators being family members.

IP

milkman 8:51 pm 03 Oct 13

LSWCHP said :

milkman said :

LSWCHP said :

milkman said :

johnboy said :

Well no.

If you were a pedo and there was a respected public institution with a track record of protecting your kind AND presenting easy prey do you think you might make a beeline to it?

You mean join the catholic church explictly for the purpose of seeking out victims in the hope that the institution would protect you?

You got it. That’s exactly what I believe has happened…amoral perverts joined the church not out of any desire to do good, but simply in order to be able to satisfy their sexual desires within a framework that covered their activities and provided plenty of easy pickings. Hundreds, if not thousands of lives have been ruined at the hands and genitals of these monsters.

If the catholic hierarchy had openly recognised the demons in their midst and done their honest best to rectify the situation then that would be all that one could ask. But they didn’t. They covered up as best they could, bullied the victims (of all horrors) and used their institutional power to protect their soft flabby arses and continue leading their comfortable lives.

That Kostka mongrel should spend the rest of his life wearing a razor wire coat and eating grubs in a cave in the Himalayan snows until he finishes his miserable days.

And this only because our laws don’t allow the fathers of his victims to thrash him to death with whips in a public place. Obviously, I think our laws are wrong in this regard.

A very nasty subject, but it has to be asked, do you have any evidence at all?

Nope.

But I’m not dim. I can observe evidence, think, and then draw conclusions. And based on the number of monsters that have been exposed (and continue to be exposed) in the priesthood, the only sensible conclusion I can draw is that these dogs deliberately chose to pursue the priesthood to provide themselves with plausible cover, and lots of tender young victims. The rate is to high for it to be a random distribution.

And the published evidence worldwide seems to indicate beyond any reasonable doubt that there has been a conspiracy among the catholic hierarchy to cover up, intimidate victims and obfuscate in a concerted effort to protect the institution at the expense of the victims. It’s not just Australia. Many people in Ireland, the USA and other countries have suffered exactly the same torture.

That’s simply what I believe based on the information that has been presented to me so far.

Feel free to observe the evidence and draw your own conclusions. I’d certainly be interested if someone could present statistics showing that long-term serial sexual predators are represented in the catholic priesthood at the same level as other male dominated professional groups. For example, I’m an engineer. Can anybody provide data about the comparative rates of this evil between male priests and male engineers?

And finally, here’s something else I believe. Men who sexually molest children should be whipped in public by the parents of the victims. Maybe that’s an old fashioned point of view, but I’m a father with some old fashioned views. I can’t imagine this happening to my beautiful daughter or my fine young sons. If it happened, I would give the perpetrator a flogging.

Look that’s fair enough that you hate paedophilia, I do too, but we need hard data and facts if we’re ever going to defeat this evil.

Covering it up is the worst, in my opinion, and those who did need to be brought to justice.

LSWCHP 7:07 pm 03 Oct 13

milkman said :

LSWCHP said :

milkman said :

johnboy said :

Well no.

If you were a pedo and there was a respected public institution with a track record of protecting your kind AND presenting easy prey do you think you might make a beeline to it?

You mean join the catholic church explictly for the purpose of seeking out victims in the hope that the institution would protect you?

You got it. That’s exactly what I believe has happened…amoral perverts joined the church not out of any desire to do good, but simply in order to be able to satisfy their sexual desires within a framework that covered their activities and provided plenty of easy pickings. Hundreds, if not thousands of lives have been ruined at the hands and genitals of these monsters.

If the catholic hierarchy had openly recognised the demons in their midst and done their honest best to rectify the situation then that would be all that one could ask. But they didn’t. They covered up as best they could, bullied the victims (of all horrors) and used their institutional power to protect their soft flabby arses and continue leading their comfortable lives.

That Kostka mongrel should spend the rest of his life wearing a razor wire coat and eating grubs in a cave in the Himalayan snows until he finishes his miserable days.

And this only because our laws don’t allow the fathers of his victims to thrash him to death with whips in a public place. Obviously, I think our laws are wrong in this regard.

A very nasty subject, but it has to be asked, do you have any evidence at all?

Nope.

But I’m not dim. I can observe evidence, think, and then draw conclusions. And based on the number of monsters that have been exposed (and continue to be exposed) in the priesthood, the only sensible conclusion I can draw is that these dogs deliberately chose to pursue the priesthood to provide themselves with plausible cover, and lots of tender young victims. The rate is to high for it to be a random distribution.

And the published evidence worldwide seems to indicate beyond any reasonable doubt that there has been a conspiracy among the catholic hierarchy to cover up, intimidate victims and obfuscate in a concerted effort to protect the institution at the expense of the victims. It’s not just Australia. Many people in Ireland, the USA and other countries have suffered exactly the same torture.

That’s simply what I believe based on the information that has been presented to me so far.

Feel free to observe the evidence and draw your own conclusions. I’d certainly be interested if someone could present statistics showing that long-term serial sexual predators are represented in the catholic priesthood at the same level as other male dominated professional groups. For example, I’m an engineer. Can anybody provide data about the comparative rates of this evil between male priests and male engineers?

And finally, here’s something else I believe. Men who sexually molest children should be whipped in public by the parents of the victims. Maybe that’s an old fashioned point of view, but I’m a father with some old fashioned views. I can’t imagine this happening to my beautiful daughter or my fine young sons. If it happened, I would give the perpetrator a flogging.

angrymonkey 2:40 pm 03 Oct 13

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberra-priest-to-stand-trial-over-alleged-sex-offences-20131003-2uv5u.html

1990’s. . . .
A Catholic priest!
Who would have thought. . . . . . .

“A Canberra Catholic priest will stand trial over allegations of historical offences against a child in the 1990s.”

milkman 1:10 pm 03 Oct 13

LSWCHP said :

milkman said :

johnboy said :

Well no.

If you were a pedo and there was a respected public institution with a track record of protecting your kind AND presenting easy prey do you think you might make a beeline to it?

You mean join the catholic church explictly for the purpose of seeking out victims in the hope that the institution would protect you?

You got it. That’s exactly what I believe has happened…amoral perverts joined the church not out of any desire to do good, but simply in order to be able to satisfy their sexual desires within a framework that covered their activities and provided plenty of easy pickings. Hundreds, if not thousands of lives have been ruined at the hands and genitals of these monsters.

If the catholic hierarchy had openly recognised the demons in their midst and done their honest best to rectify the situation then that would be all that one could ask. But they didn’t. They covered up as best they could, bullied the victims (of all horrors) and used their institutional power to protect their soft flabby arses and continue leading their comfortable lives.

That Kostka mongrel should spend the rest of his life wearing a razor wire coat and eating grubs in a cave in the Himalayan snows until he finishes his miserable days.

And this only because our laws don’t allow the fathers of his victims to thrash him to death with whips in a public place. Obviously, I think our laws are wrong in this regard.

A very nasty subject, but it has to be asked, do you have any evidence at all?

IrishPete 11:57 am 03 Oct 13

John Moulis said :

People often blot out unpleasant things which happened in their youth from their subconscious and recall it many years later, often in response to remembering other events or stimuli which happened at the same time.

In 1974 at Melrose High I had almost $200.00 extorted out of me by another student and the police and Children’s Court became involved. During that period I was also buying obscure records which were being played on radio in Canberra and nowhere else. When that happened there was no counselling, no Kid’s Help Line or anything else. I was just left alone and had to get over it as best I could. I responded by trying to forget about it and stowing the records in an almost inaccessible cupboard and never playing them.

When the ’70s nostalgia boom happened in the 1990s I found the records again and began playing them. All of a sudden I remembered about the extortion case and how it affected me.

If this could happen with an extortion case, it is not inconceivable that it could happen with something as serious as child molestation. Therefore it is perfectly reasonable for victims of child abuse to take legal action years after the incidents have occurred.

Recovered memories are very dangerous, and I doubt they would stand up in any court these days unless there was corroborating evidence, like similar memories from other victims, and the courts have at times separated such cases so that each has to stand alone on its merits, even though each case would be stronger if they were joined. There’s a lot to be said for an inquisitorial form of justice in cases involving child victims, or other vulnerable victims, rather than the failed adversarial system that simply boosts lawyers’ wallets and egos. And perhaps some joined-up justice, so the victim doesn’t have to potentially repeat their story in criminal court (prosecution of the alleged offender), Children’s Court (care proceedings), Family Court (divorces) and civil court (compensation).

The best chance of successful prosecution is a contemporaneous account – try to ensure you talk to your children about their day at school/scouts/camp, and that they trust you well enough to tell you stuff, good and bad, about what is happening. And make sure you talk to them about what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. Even in my mid-teens, I lacked both the vocabulary and the avenue to tell anyone about the rumours circulating at school about various priests, like “don’t go into a room alone with Father McCrory”. That was around 1980.

I also strongly suspect that an incident dealt with well, soon after the offence, results in much less long-term psychological damage than one disclosed much much later.

IP

Holden Caulfield 11:41 am 03 Oct 13

johnboy said :

Were you sharing tents on cold nights often as part of your schooling? (some schools do, some don’t 😉

Yes.

Four annual cadet camps at one week long, plus a handful of bivouacs, were some of the things I enjoyed in my five years at boarding school.

We shared (what I considered to be at the time) harmless banter among fellow students about kiddy fiddling, because we were naive kids, but I was never placed in a situation where I felt threatened or uncomfortable at the actions of any of the brothers/fathers entrusted with my care.

I detest the crimes as much as you do, I really do, and I’d given up on the church long before cover ups were becoming well known.

I can only reflect on my schooling years with fond memories. It wasn’t always fun and games of course, but the only issues I ever had were related to being bullied by classmates and thankfully that didn’t last too long.

The Catholic schooling system and the broader institution has a lot of faults, we all know that. Personally, and luckily perhaps, I’ve never had any cause for complaint.

Holden Caulfield 11:24 am 03 Oct 13

johnboy said :

Scouts have had issues no doubt. But nothing like the institutional efforts to protect perpetrators in the catholic church (to my knowledge, I’ll be happy to stand corrected once the royal commission get some real data on it)

The only time in scouts I felt threatened was around older boys from the catholic education system. (anecdotal I know)

I went to Catholic schools my whole life and *never* felt threatened (anecdotal I know).

    johnboy 11:25 am 03 Oct 13

    Were you sharing tents on cold nights often as part of your schooling? (some schools do, some don’t 😉

John Moulis 10:10 am 03 Oct 13

IrishPete said :

chewy14 said :

johnboy said :

Scouts have had issues no doubt. But nothing like the institutional efforts to protect perpetrators in the catholic church (to my knowledge, I’ll be happy to stand corrected once the royal commission get some real data on it)

The only time in scouts I felt threatened was around older boys from the catholic education system. (anecdotal I know)

But do you think this behaviour is still widespread within the Catholic church and system?

The royal commission should give some answers but from what I’ve seen most of these cases are decades old. I went through the Catholic system after these times and never once felt threatened by any of the religious people or staff. Maybe they went on but I never got the slightest inkling of it if it was.

It would not surprise me one jot, if it was the case. Cases are decades old because the children often don’t report it until they are adults (if they ever do). And sometimes mature adults, like in their 30s, 40s or 50s.

The Aaron Holliday case in the Scouts was not very long ago.

IP

People often blot out unpleasant things which happened in their youth from their subconscious and recall it many years later, often in response to remembering other events or stimuli which happened at the same time.

In 1974 at Melrose High I had almost $200.00 extorted out of me by another student and the police and Children’s Court became involved. During that period I was also buying obscure records which were being played on radio in Canberra and nowhere else. When that happened there was no counselling, no Kid’s Help Line or anything else. I was just left alone and had to get over it as best I could. I responded by trying to forget about it and stowing the records in an almost inaccessible cupboard and never playing them.

When the ’70s nostalgia boom happened in the 1990s I found the records again and began playing them. All of a sudden I remembered about the extortion case and how it affected me.

If this could happen with an extortion case, it is not inconceivable that it could happen with something as serious as child molestation. Therefore it is perfectly reasonable for victims of child abuse to take legal action years after the incidents have occurred.

liability 8:44 pm 02 Oct 13

Deref said :

steveu said :

Remove the benevolent institution status from the church. Make them pay tax. That’s a start.

Hear, hear.

I heard that the Catholic Church is given a special standing by the Australian Government which makes them immune to civil or criminal litigation. That would explain why it’s the Trustees who are being sued rather than the church itself and why paedophilia cases against the CC are settled through ex gratia (no pun intended) payments rather than court-awarded damages. It might also explain why no-one in the church has been gaoled for protecting these paedophiles.

Does anyone know the truth and/or details of this?

I assume you are referring to the NSW Court of Appeal ruling (known as the Ellis Defence) in which it was found that the “church” does not exist as a legal entity that is capable of being sued. This doesn’t stop people suing for these type of events, it just means that they have to be more particular as to who they sue, i.e. rather than suing the “church” they need to sue the school, priests, etc as individual entities.

LSWCHP 7:31 pm 02 Oct 13

milkman said :

johnboy said :

Well no.

If you were a pedo and there was a respected public institution with a track record of protecting your kind AND presenting easy prey do you think you might make a beeline to it?

You mean join the catholic church explictly for the purpose of seeking out victims in the hope that the institution would protect you?

You got it. That’s exactly what I believe has happened…amoral perverts joined the church not out of any desire to do good, but simply in order to be able to satisfy their sexual desires within a framework that covered their activities and provided plenty of easy pickings. Hundreds, if not thousands of lives have been ruined at the hands and genitals of these monsters.

If the catholic hierarchy had openly recognised the demons in their midst and done their honest best to rectify the situation then that would be all that one could ask. But they didn’t. They covered up as best they could, bullied the victims (of all horrors) and used their institutional power to protect their soft flabby arses and continue leading their comfortable lives.

That Kostka mongrel should spend the rest of his life wearing a razor wire coat and eating grubs in a cave in the Himalayan snows until he finishes his miserable days.

And this only because our laws don’t allow the fathers of his victims to thrash him to death with whips in a public place. Obviously, I think our laws are wrong in this regard.

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