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Is the Children and Young People Commissioner sexist?

By Leon Arundell 30 July 2011 39

When my girls went to primary school they were taught that “girls can do anything.” My boys were taught the same: “girls can do anything.”

The Children and Young People Commissioner has published a book entitled, “Why Girls are Important.”

So I politely inquired whether they had published a complementary book on “Why Boys are Important.”

They replied equally politely, “At this stage, there isn’t a companion volume for boys.”

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Jim Jones 4:43 pm 13 Sep 11

Lazy I said :

Jim Jones said :

Nurses, childcare workers, teachers, etc. get paid relatively badly.

Lawyers, accountants, tradies, etc. get paid relatively well.

And which group of professions do you think are more valuable to the functioning of society?

Depends how you cherry pick from the lists to validate your arguments.

The gender imbalance in levels of pay of men and women are well observed and the correlation between male and female associated careers has been well researched.

If you want to pick a different list of professions, go crazy. I’m not sure what the point would be. Are you arguing that female dominated professions *deserve* to be paid less than traditionally male professions?

Lazy I 4:35 pm 13 Sep 11

Jim Jones said :

Nurses, childcare workers, teachers, etc. get paid relatively badly.

Lawyers, accountants, tradies, etc. get paid relatively well.

And which group of professions do you think are more valuable to the functioning of society?

Depends how you cherry pick from the lists to validate your arguments.

Jim Jones 4:18 pm 13 Sep 11

Ben_Dover said :

NoAddedMSG said :

If you look at the income earned by recent university graduates then there is still a pay gap between what males and females earn. It’s not a huge one, somewhere between 5 and 10% I think, but it is still there, and it is hard to justify why that should exist using the usual “it’s not really that the workplace has entrenched gender bias” reasons sighted for the pay gap such as time out for child-raising/caring, working part-time and being primary caregiver for the family etc.

Show me these jobs where it is legal and acceptable to pay a woman less than a man, and then I’ll take what you say seriously. Any job advert or wage guidelines will do.

Professions which have high levels of female participation are paid less than professions with high levels of male participation. This is one area where there is still entrenched structural bias.

Nurses, childcare workers, teachers, etc. get paid relatively badly.

Lawyers, accountants, tradies, etc. get paid relatively well.

And which group of professions do you think are more valuable to the functioning of society?

Eppo 4:00 pm 13 Sep 11

NoAddedMSG said :

If you look at the income earned by recent university graduates then there is still a pay gap between what males and females earn. It’s not a huge one, somewhere between 5 and 10% I think, but it is still there, and it is hard to justify why that should exist using the usual “it’s not really that the workplace has entrenched gender bias” reasons sighted for the pay gap such as time out for child-raising/caring, working part-time and being primary caregiver for the family etc.
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Walk into an engineering lecture, which is the dominating gender?

Walk into a primary education lecture, which is the dominating gender?

I think this sort of thing would go a long way to explaining the difference.

Hellbells 3:49 pm 13 Sep 11

Celia Lashlie wrote a book called “He’ll be ok” Growing gorgeous boys into good men.
She didnt write a book about She’ll be ok! Maybe she too is sexist! I dont think so…

What is this world coming to? Sit back and say “That’s Great!” or “What a great achievement”, perhaps if you still feel there is inequality, you could get off the couch, seek out some funding and write one yourself! At least the CYPC has endless energy to put into our youth of today and is attempting to make positive changes in young peoples lives.

Everyone in our society should ask themselves “How have I positively influenced a young person’s life today?” And if you havent? Dont complain about them, go do something to improve our society.

Ben_Dover 9:51 am 12 Aug 11

NoAddedMSG said :

If you look at the income earned by recent university graduates then there is still a pay gap between what males and females earn. It’s not a huge one, somewhere between 5 and 10% I think, but it is still there, and it is hard to justify why that should exist using the usual “it’s not really that the workplace has entrenched gender bias” reasons sighted for the pay gap such as time out for child-raising/caring, working part-time and being primary caregiver for the family etc.

Show me these jobs where it is legal and acceptable to pay a woman less than a man, and then I’ll take what you say seriously. Any job advert or wage guidelines will do.

Classified 8:56 am 12 Aug 11

NoAddedMSG said :

If you look at the income earned by recent university graduates then there is still a pay gap between what males and females earn. It’s not a huge one, somewhere between 5 and 10% I think, but it is still there, and it is hard to justify why that should exist using the usual “it’s not really that the workplace has entrenched gender bias” reasons sighted for the pay gap such as time out for child-raising/caring, working part-time and being primary caregiver for the family etc.

Is that pay difference measured across all graduates, or profession by profession? Is there much of a difference when you look at grads profession by profession? Cheers.

NoAddedMSG 8:18 am 12 Aug 11

If you look at the income earned by recent university graduates then there is still a pay gap between what males and females earn. It’s not a huge one, somewhere between 5 and 10% I think, but it is still there, and it is hard to justify why that should exist using the usual “it’s not really that the workplace has entrenched gender bias” reasons sighted for the pay gap such as time out for child-raising/caring, working part-time and being primary caregiver for the family etc.

It’s not about playing the victim – it is about recognising that we do not yet live in a society that treats everyone equally and that we still have to keep working towards that ideal. The stats do still clearly show we have not yet reached the point where gender doesn’t confer disadvantage. No doubt, it is much better than it ever has been, but for example if you look at the gender ratios of early-career uni academic staff (again, somewhere you might expect equality to have been reached by now) you can see that there is still a distinct lack of women.

cleo 3:55 am 12 Aug 11

When I went through school, it was always about the boys, what they wanted and especially when it came to sports, we were made to feel like second class citizens, even at home my parents favoured the boys, they didn’t have to make their beds, where as the girls did.
My parents were stricter on us girls, the boys could do what they wanted, I never wanted my girls to be brought up like this, and they weren’t, they are very independent, EQUAL RIGHTS for both sexes.

emd 10:50 pm 11 Aug 11

I don’t understand all this stuff about the left. I’m right handed.
And I’ve never made a scarecrow either, so I don’t know about this straw man allegation. I don’t even like gardening.

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I weep tears of blood for the poor, oprressed middle class men of Canberra, tears of blood.

I don’t think crying blood is normal.
Perhaps you should get that checked out?

No, it is not normal, such is my grief for those poor, poor people.

Ben_Dover 11:09 am 02 Aug 11

maniac said :

Ben_Dover said :

How can anyone who can take a situation where books “empowering girls” are produced using public money, without the male corollary being also produced, try to argue that this is right, by invoking such extremes as men beating up women, expect to be taken seriously?

This we see time and time again with the left, as they have no other answers.

It is always amusing to read the misguided comments of the uneducated. Try looking up some statistics. There is a place called the Australian Bureau of Statistics, which has detailed, unbiased publications on issues in Australia for women, including the gender pay gap, see for eg.: http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4102.0Chapter8002008

Making statements based on lack of fact is the perogative of the troll, but makes you look a fool when presented with real data.

Nothing you have posted there refutes any of my points, in fact it bears no relation to anything I said.

In fact your post highlights the paucity of debate skills of the left.

When I argue that introducing the highly emotive, but silly point, of “women being beaten up by their partners” into debate on whether it is “sexist” to produce a book on the “importance of girls at the taxpayers expense”, without producing one for boys, to counter this with statistics on employment matters is just as silly, and proves me right.

The left cannot debate, they can only offer emotional extremism and strawmen.

chewy14 10:31 am 02 Aug 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I weep tears of blood for the poor, oprressed middle class men of Canberra, tears of blood.

I don’t think crying blood is normal.
Perhaps you should get that checked out?

emd said :

milkman said :

What’s required is recognition that if you single out a group of people for assistance, eventually they should get to a point where they don’t need continued assistance. I would say that in Australia women are probably at or near that point.

I wonder why so many women are still being raped, bashed by their partner, not offered board positions, have lower average weekly earnings than men with a pay gap that hasn’t changed in decades, and have less superannuation on retirement?
Oh, those things aren’t still happening? Sorry, my mistake. I am such a feminazi that I just make sh*t up.
And even if those things still happened, it must be because we dress like sluts, don’t know when to shut up, aren’t qualified, choose to work in low pay jobs, and choose to take time out of paid work to be carers for children or the elderly or disabled. Because it is always our choice in this wonderful egalitarian society, where the streets are paved with gold and Lake Burley Griffin is filled with gin and all the trees are made of chocolate.

+ eleventybillion.

I weep tears of blood for the poor, oprressed middle class men of Canberra, tears of blood.

maniac 9:47 am 02 Aug 11

Ben_Dover said :

How can anyone who can take a situation where books “empowering girls” are produced using public money, without the male corollary being also produced, try to argue that this is right, by invoking such extremes as men beating up women, expect to be taken seriously?

This we see time and time again with the left, as they have no other answers.

It is always amusing to read the misguided comments of the uneducated. Try looking up some statistics. There is a place called the Australian Bureau of Statistics, which has detailed, unbiased publications on issues in Australia for women, including the gender pay gap, see for eg.: http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4102.0Chapter8002008

Making statements based on lack of fact is the perogative of the troll, but makes you look a fool when presented with real data.

Ben_Dover 9:36 am 02 Aug 11

How can anyone who can take a situation where books “empowering girls” are produced using public money, without the male corollary being also produced, try to argue that this is right, by invoking such extremes as men beating up women, expect to be taken seriously?

This we see time and time again with the left, as they have no other answers.

chewy14 8:02 am 02 Aug 11

emd said :

Oh. Well seeing as you’ve answered all my questions and it is obvious that there are no longer any problems for women because of their gender, I shall just give up my feminazi ways.

Admitting you have a problem is always the first step. Good for you.

Angelina 10:12 pm 01 Aug 11

SigmaOctantis said :

Yes it is sexist to only encourage girls.

As for the whole issue, there can be very little sympathy for people who behave as abhorrently and immaturely as a lot of women do now. As I’ve heard many people say, there is no group in society more sexist than women.

Especially the ones with pink rego plates who tailgate, flip the finger and call everyone an F-ing C whenever they have the gall to drive at the speed limit.

Unlike the mature men getting around spitting blood into cops faces?

Lets face it, if you want to get into a slinging match over maturity then theres some stellar examples from both sexes so it’s probably not even worth you bringing it up.

emd 8:53 pm 01 Aug 11

Oh. Well seeing as you’ve answered all my questions and it is obvious that there are no longer any problems for women because of their gender, I shall just give up my feminazi ways.

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