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ISIS – Why, oh Why?

By John Hargreaves 24 September 2014 66

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I was going to post a comment on the lack of advocacy for aged people in nursing homes but I will do that later this week. I have a bit of checking to do.

In the meantime, I was enraged to see and read the fatwa from ISIS. It is the scariest threat we have had to Australian security in my 62 years in this country.

But it didn’t need to be that way. Who were mentioned in the fatwa? Christians, that’s who! And Muslims who supported the Coalition of the Coercive!

There was no threat to Hindus, no threat to Shinto practitioners, no threat to Buddhists, no threat to communists. Yeah? Well murderers don’t ask if you are a Buddhist before thrusting a knife into you if you are a random victim as described in the fatwa. We are now all Australians and targets. Thanks Mr Abbott.

The countries who have been mentioned; Australia, Canada, France, Britain are countries who blindly follow the US into wars that have nothing to do with them.

Have they been invited to the Middle East? Are they part of a UN originated peace keeping force? NO! Will someone tell me what threat we were facing BEFORE committing to the conflict?

I predicted that the SAS would follow the air strikes which preceded the humanitarian drops. I also predicted the sending of a battalion of soldiers to the Middle East. This was confirmed by a US general only last week. They “may” need “on-ground assistance”. I now predict an upsurge in security measures, further breaches of our civil rights and a body bag count we don’t want.

If we had only kept out of this in the beginning, if only we had decided to be a model for cultural integration, if only we had been regional in our geo-political approach, we would not be in the mess we are right now.

We followed Britain into World War I, and II; we followed the US into Vietnam; we followed the US into Iraq in two Gulf wars. Why, oh why do we follow anyone into a war which is nothing to do with us?

We really don’t need this. We really don’t! And our multicultural society doesn’t need the hatred and suspicion that it breeds.

The soldiers we send are heroes. The politicians who send them are responsible for their deaths.

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watto23 11:21 am 30 Sep 14

dungfungus said :

AFP and Victorian police are currently executing search warrants on houses in Melbourne suspected of containing evidence of more terrorist activity (not connected with the attack on two police officers last week).

Which is exactly how this should be handled. The more the conservative of this country push the fear campaign message and push the hatred towards muslims, the more likely we will get a terrorist attack.
By all means take action on those doing or planning to do the wrong thing. Just be tolerant of other religions and don’t take an instance of something occurring to mean all muslims want or do that.

I’d like to think we are going into Iraq to help the locals that need help, remembering other muslims are just as much victims, because they also do not want the radical muslim state to form. Hopefully it is not to help ones political standing. I have my doubts, because otherwise the stupid bogan inspiring “Team Australia” slogan was definitely not needed. Whether you/we/me/anyone likes it or not, being Australian and a muslim is perfectly Australian.

dungfungus 9:20 am 30 Sep 14

AFP and Victorian police are currently executing search warrants on houses in Melbourne suspected of containing evidence of more terrorist activity (not connected with the attack on two police officers last week).

justin heywood 1:14 pm 29 Sep 14

Antagonist said :

justin heywood said :

Antagonist said :

I suggest you take your own advice. The operation never took place. It sat in the bottom of Hitler’s drawer for years and never got approval. And now the Swiss have successfully remained neutral for more than 200 years. Looks like a perfectly valid example to me. What else have you got

It sat in his bottom drawer ‘awaiting approval’? THAT’s what you’re going with?

But at least you learned something when you looked it up.

If you are going to quote me, have the courtesy to get it right. I never said ‘awaiting approval’. He flatly refused to approve it. Switzerland have remained neutral for the last 200 odd years, and none of your arm waving can change that fact 🙂

So Hitler ‘flatly refused’ to approve it? You know that is not true. If you have to twist the truth to make your argument, you haven’t really got an argument.

But anyway, anyone remotely interested in the topic can look it up for themselves.

dungfungus 12:12 pm 29 Sep 14

HenryBG said :

dungfungus said :

Many countries have meddled with Iraq throughout history.
This link gives a brief chronology of events in the last 100 years. It looks like we have turned the full circle and we are starting all over again which we really have no choice in due the the adverse geopolitical repercussions if we do nothing.
https://www.globalpolicy.org/iraq-conflict-the-historical-background-/british-colonialism-and-repression-in-iraq.html

Sadly your link seems to concentrate on the recent period of British colonialism and neglects the centuries of colonisation and imperial rule by the Ottomans, Mamelukes & Georgians, Turkmen and Abbasids, going back to the Arab islamic invasion and genocides of the 7th century.

From the 7th century onwards, (with the exception of the Mamelukes) these genocidal regimes were far worse than the British and created a legacy of tribalism and left them in the grip of a viciously regressive religion.

The modernisation and civil society offered by the British did not take. Iraq is therefore a fiction that needs to be discarded in order to restablish stability through balkanising the area into smaller states with homogenous ethno-religious compositions.

I specifically said “the last 100 years”.
I appreciate you have a excellent knowledge of events previous to that but the last 100 years is more relevant to what the current problems are.

HenryBG 10:16 am 29 Sep 14

dungfungus said :

Many countries have meddled with Iraq throughout history.
This link gives a brief chronology of events in the last 100 years. It looks like we have turned the full circle and we are starting all over again which we really have no choice in due the the adverse geopolitical repercussions if we do nothing.
https://www.globalpolicy.org/iraq-conflict-the-historical-background-/british-colonialism-and-repression-in-iraq.html

Sadly your link seems to concentrate on the recent period of British colonialism and neglects the centuries of colonisation and imperial rule by the Ottomans, Mamelukes & Georgians, Turkmen and Abbasids, going back to the Arab islamic invasion and genocides of the 7th century.

From the 7th century onwards, (with the exception of the Mamelukes) these genocidal regimes were far worse than the British and created a legacy of tribalism and left them in the grip of a viciously regressive religion.

The modernisation and civil society offered by the British did not take. Iraq is therefore a fiction that needs to be discarded in order to restablish stability through balkanising the area into smaller states with homogenous ethno-religious compositions.

Postalgeek 9:52 am 29 Sep 14

Mysteryman said :

You can clearly see the point I made with that example: just because we can’t help everyone, does not mean we shouldn’t help anyone. You’re trying to say that purely because we don’t help everyone who needs it, we must have ulterior motives in this instance.

I don’t think we do. I think the motive are open and obvious and as I suggested – “because it was requested of us by the Iraqi government (due to the human rights issues at play), and because the IS pose a credible threat to other nations like ours”.

I said our reasons are strategic. That’s not saying such reasons are hidden or invalid. As you said yourself, IS poses a credible threat to other nations like ours. If it didn’t, I do not think we would be interceding.

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