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Just look at my new bendy buses says the Chief Minister

By johnboy - 1 August 2012 71

Chief Minister Gallagher has announced her launch of a fleet of 20 new “accessible, articulated, large-capacity and environmentally friendly buses for the ACTION fleet.”

“It is great to see the first new articulated bus in Canberra in nearly 20 years now entering service and I have no doubt it will be a valuable addition to the ACTION fleet,” the Chief Minister said.

“Between now and March 2013, twenty easy access articulated buses will be progressively delivered replacing ACTION’s ageing articulated fleet, some of which are now up to 24 years old.

“These new buses will assist in meeting demand on ACTION’s most highly patronised routes, such as the Blue and Red Rapid services, while also providing the safest transport for school children where high capacity buses are needed.

“I also hope they help to make public transport a more attractive alternative to driving for Canberrans,” the Chief Minister said.

The Chief Minister has also tweeted a picture of herself behind the wheel.

chief minister at the wheel

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Just look at my new bendy buses says the Chief Minister
damien haas 6:07 pm 01 Aug 12

“I also hope they help to make public transport a more attractive alternative to driving for Canberrans,” the Chief Minister said.

Hope is not a business plan.

Over 12 years of ALP governments and their promises on improving public transport – and all we end up with is ‘massive fail’.

Canberra needs a modal change away from buses for mass transit, to light rail for mass transit, and buses retasked to increase frequency on local services.

http://www.actlightrail.info/2012/07/action-passenger-numbers-stagnate-build.html

Damien Haas
ACT Light Rail

dpm 6:03 pm 01 Aug 12

KB1971 said :

dpm said :

A 15 min car trip blows out to 60+ mins by bus in many cases.
As people are generally becoming more time poor, the bus option is not looking like a good one.
)

Can you please provide stats to back this claim up or I am going to call BS.

I am a regular bus user & live 30km from the city, depending on the bus or the time of the day it takes between 35 minutes to 1 hour.

I drive two days a week, the other day I parked in the city, my regular bus that drove past as I was getting in the car was at the interchange as I walked up to work.

People need to make the change, I did when I moved into the City for work & now I hate driving the car to work.

Comments like the one I have quoted dont help peoples perceptions.

Johnboy, do you have a picture of the bus?

On a side note, 80% of buses will have bike racks? Between these and the tag steer buses they must be eating into this figure by now.

Hahahaha! Sure!
Local bus to nearest interchange (to get me to work at normal time) 7:10am, arrives at interchange 7:24am (not too bad).
Next express to destination interchange 7:32am , arrives destination interchange 8:10am. Bang on 60 mins on buses (not including a few mins extra walk both sides).

If my work was at the first town centre, it would be great.
If it was at the second town centre, great too (plus i’d have to pay for parking at those two town centres, so the bus would be a winner). But, as my work is at the *next* town centre, the ‘suburb bus + express loop through every interchange’ system doesn’t work or me, sorry.

By car, i’d be at work before getting off the first bus (plus I currently have free car parking).
I should also say that the trip takes < 40 mins by bike (though with a shower it's ~60mins – similar time to bus but cheaper and good exercise)….
Can you guess which form of transport is lowest on my list of the three options?

arescarti42 5:59 pm 01 Aug 12

pirate_taco said :

Martlark – car driving is already expensive and inconvenient for many people, yet they still choose to drive.

Have a read of Dr Paul Mee’s ideas on what can be done and why successive ACT governments post self government have caused bus patronage to decline. http://images.canberratimes.com.au/file/2012/07/30/3510331/Mees%2520submission%2520-%2520Transport%2520for%2520Canberra.pdf?rand=1343613343071

Fascinating reading, thanks for the link.

Chop71 5:58 pm 01 Aug 12

Bendy bus supplied by the government who gives you bendy hospital statistics!!!!

KB1971 5:28 pm 01 Aug 12

gazket said :

Spence to Mitchell by bus
Bus 315 – 9:05 am Spence shops to Belco mall 9:30 am
Bus 56 – 9:50 am Belco mall to Mitchell Sanford st 10:34 am
90 minutes by bus 10 minutes by car .

Yep, an obscure trip not travelled by the majority.

I certainly acknowledge that not everybody can take a bus, places like Mitchell & Fyshwick are very difficult to get to but these are two centers that dont have the majority of commuting traffic.

The bus system is geared to the majority & that means that it gravitates to the town centres where most trips taken by people are short. When I take the bus that takes an hour it goes through two town centres & a few suburbs but there are few people on there for the whole trip.

My main problem is with the comment about the 15 minute car trip blowing out to a 60+ minute bus ride is just incorrect “in many cases”. Its just not true for the majority of trips.

There are a lot of people out there who dont have kids or other engagements in a day that could use the bus. I really dont care if you use the bus or not but what I do care about is that things get reported correctly.

arescarti42 5:20 pm 01 Aug 12
JC 5:02 pm 01 Aug 12

jase! said :

just before an election, convenient timing really

if you want people to catch the damn bus the first thing to realise is people will happily changes buses at the terminals if it makes for a quicker overall trip, much like the 80s you silly woman

Take a chill pill, these buses were ordered and announced at the budget last year and nothing convenient about the fact they are arriving now. What do you want anything new to be put on hold due to the election? Hmmm besides over the past 4 years ACTION has received a shit load of new buses (about 100), so hardly pork barelling which I assume is what your talking about.

As for the second part of your comment, there are two schools of thought, one is like yours (and I tend to be in that camp) the second is changing is a disincentive. Ideally though the main issue is one of frequency and minimising time in the suburbs, but alas the later is essential for getting people on the bus and the frequency costs money so a compromise needs to be found.

switch 4:39 pm 01 Aug 12

KB1971 said :

Can you please provide stats to back this claim up or I am going to call BS.

Are you serious? Pick any two suburbs more than 10km apart and see what Google Maps tells you. The proof is left as an exercise by the student.

gazket 4:34 pm 01 Aug 12

KB1971 said :

dpm said :

A 15 min car trip blows out to 60+ mins by bus in many cases.
As people are generally becoming more time poor, the bus option is not looking like a good one.
)

Can you please provide stats to back this claim up or I am going to call BS.

I am a regular bus user & live 30km from the city, depending on the bus or the time of the day it takes between 35 minutes to 1 hour.

I drive two days a week, the other day I parked in the city, my regular bus that drove past as I was getting in the car was at the interchange as I walked up to work.

People need to make the change, I did when I moved into the City for work & now I hate driving the car to work.

Comments like the one I have quoted dont help peoples perceptions.

Johnboy, do you have a picture of the bus?

On a side note, 80% of buses will have bike racks? Between these and the tag steer buses they must be eating into this figure by now.

Spence to Mitchell by bus
Bus 315 – 9:05 am Spence shops to Belco mall 9:30 am
Bus 56 – 9:50 am Belco mall to Mitchell Sanford st 10:34 am
90 minutes by bus 10 minutes by car .

Martlark 4:29 pm 01 Aug 12

pirate_taco said :

Martlark – car driving is already expensive and inconvenient for many people, yet they still choose to drive.

It’s expensive, but mostly not inconvenient. Any car trip outside of very specific peak periods is undertaken without hold-ups and once at the destination parking takes no great effort and comes with little or no cost.

KB1971 4:16 pm 01 Aug 12

dpm said :

A 15 min car trip blows out to 60+ mins by bus in many cases.
As people are generally becoming more time poor, the bus option is not looking like a good one.
)

Can you please provide stats to back this claim up or I am going to call BS.

I am a regular bus user & live 30km from the city, depending on the bus or the time of the day it takes between 35 minutes to 1 hour.

I drive two days a week, the other day I parked in the city, my regular bus that drove past as I was getting in the car was at the interchange as I walked up to work.

People need to make the change, I did when I moved into the City for work & now I hate driving the car to work.

Comments like the one I have quoted dont help peoples perceptions.

Johnboy, do you have a picture of the bus?

On a side note, 80% of buses will have bike racks? Between these and the tag steer buses they must be eating into this figure by now.

dpm 3:04 pm 01 Aug 12

Public transport in other (bigger) cities is better utilised as not only is it cheaper than driving, but in many cases, it is a faster (or time-equal) way to travel.
e.g Getting a ferry from Manly to the city in Syd is a lot easier and faster than attempting to drive.
In Canberra, it’s the opposite. A 15 min car trip blows out to 60+ mins by bus in many cases.
As people are generally becoming more time poor, the bus option is not looking like a good one.

So, what are their options to get bums on seats?
1) They can make buses more attractive financially, by lowering fees (to free?) or by raising car parking to obscene levels
2) They can make bus travel faster, by having more park and ride facilities and direct services to main work areas (bypassing the multi-bus and interchange palava), or by putting speed bumps every 20m on major roads! In hindsight, finishing the two-lane GDE really doesn’t help them get more people on buses – they should make all roads single lane and 40kmh! In fact, they are doing a good job of this ATM with the various roadworks, though buses have to traverse these too. Hahahaha!
3) A combo of 1) and 2)

pirate_taco 2:46 pm 01 Aug 12

Martlark – car driving is already expensive and inconvenient for many people, yet they still choose to drive.

Have a read of Dr Paul Mee’s ideas on what can be done and why successive ACT governments post self government have caused bus patronage to decline. http://images.canberratimes.com.au/file/2012/07/30/3510331/Mees%2520submission%2520-%2520Transport%2520for%2520Canberra.pdf?rand=1343613343071

jase! 2:35 pm 01 Aug 12

just before an election, convenient timing really

if you want people to catch the damn bus the first thing to realise is people will happily changes buses at the terminals if it makes for a quicker overall trip, much like the 80s you silly woman

Martlark 2:17 pm 01 Aug 12

“I also hope they help to make public transport a more attractive alternative to driving for Canberrans,” the Chief Minister said.

This approach is why the Govt. keeps on failing to get more bus passengers. There is no known method of making a bus more attractive to driving a car. Pretty much the only way to get people, who can/could drive, onto a bus, is to make car driving so expensive and inconvenient that they have no choice.

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