Labor Smashing on the Cards for ACT?

beasley 11 August 2008 75

The results are still coming in for the NT election held over the weekend with counting still going on to decide who forms Government, but one thing is for sure, and that is the ALP were delivered a thumping.

A massive swing, several points higher than ever their most pessimist observer were expecting, can surely be read as a sign of the times for ALP across the nation.

Just like in the VIC by-election, it appears local issues were put aside and national issues were the fore with the NT ALP getting smashed for the failing of their federal counterparts, ie: taking a booming economy and sending it bust in just six months.

Anyway, there must be smiles at the ACT Libs today as they hope the same voter sentiment will occur come October here.

Stanhope should see the writing on the wall and will be distancing himself from them as much as possible in the next several months. We might finally get him to stick up for us for once rather than copping it in the backside all the time.

[ED – Not so sure this is that significant, NT tories were coming off a very, very low base having lost Government at the previous election]

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jakez jakez 4:05 pm 13 Aug 08

tom-tom said :

jakez, somebody pointed it out in the next days letters page, thats why i remember it. fair call if you did put the info on your letter, i’ll just add this to the list of reasons i shake my head when people mention the canberra times

Really? I never saw that. That’s pretty funny and good on them for catching me out.

tom-tom tom-tom 3:36 pm 13 Aug 08

jakez, somebody pointed it out in the next days letters page, thats why i remember it. fair call if you did put the info on your letter, i’ll just add this to the list of reasons i shake my head when people mention the canberra times

jakez jakez 2:20 pm 13 Aug 08

RuffnReady said :

I’d love to know why jakez’s first post was considered such good sense yet mine, which said basically the same thing before he said it, was ignored.

What can I say? The people love me.

jakez jakez 2:19 pm 13 Aug 08

Gungahlin Al said :

“I choose to do so primarily to avoid charges of ‘your just a sneaky liberal’”

Perhaps Jakez, but you’re unable to avoid charges of using bad grammar! 🙂

the your instead of you’re? I’ll cop that.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 2:08 pm 13 Aug 08

“I choose to do so primarily to avoid charges of ‘your just a sneaky liberal’”

Perhaps Jakez, but you’re unable to avoid charges of using bad grammar! 🙂

Thumper Thumper 1:12 pm 13 Aug 08

Good question. And one I really can’t answer it, although I may have just been skimming over the replies at that time.

As for other posters, who knows what lurks in the hearts of men……

RuffnReady RuffnReady 1:06 pm 13 Aug 08

I’d love to know why jakez’s first post was considered such good sense yet mine, which said basically the same thing before he said it, was ignored… that’s okay Thumper, I know we don’t see eye to eye. 😉

jakez said :

4, Blaming banking deregulation for the credit crisis is spurious. If you knew the Government would bail you out, you would have little regard for risk as well.

When you relax lending rules you get a credit bubble, that’s what I was referring to.

In general, bank deregulation has been a disaster for consumers – fees have sky-rocketed, money is routinely handed out to those without the ability to pay it back (allowing people to live way beyond their means for a few months before they lose everything), and banks don’t even follow the RBA interest rate moves any more. Who has benefited from bank deregulation except bank shareholders?

Oh, and I’m not saying we should go back to the Dark Ages, just that the banks should be regulated more tightly… but you could say that about a lot of deregulated industries which run on meaningless “Codes of Conduct”.

jakez jakez 10:34 am 13 Aug 08

After a bit more thought I would also say that I don’t think I have expressed a strong opinion about people being entirely honest about who they are.

A wry “At least I’m open about my liberal party membership.” is hardly a strong opinion.

I don’t think people should have to disclose party membership. I think it makes things easier though and I choose to do so primarily to avoid charges of ‘your just a sneaky liberal’. This way I’m upfront and people can judge my comments, ideas, and beliefs on their merit. I’m certainly not a cheerleader for the Liberal Party and if you meet me in person I’ll probably spend 90% of the time telling you what’s wrong with us rather than the ALP.

I think what I was objecting to in this thread were points that are partisan and stupid. We can see that Beasley’s post was partisan and it made no sense. It was written purely as an attack on the ALP for the sake of attacking the ALP. I think it is an entirely healthy suggestion that people should be sceptical of everything they read and hear (including from me), and that was my point.

jakez jakez 10:05 am 13 Aug 08

tom-tom said :

jakez; i see you have expressed a strong opinion here about people who make political comment without being entirely honest about who they are; with reference to that would you care to comment on a certain prominent young liberal(coincidently named jake z……) who got busted critcising rudds campaign in a letter to the editor in the canberra times during the last federal election?

I have mentioned numerous times that I am a member of the Liberal Party and have included it as part of my profile information. I wouldn’t say I’m prominent though…I wish I was.

As for the letter you speak of, I had included that information but it was not published. What do you mean by busted?

Thumper Thumper 8:18 am 13 Aug 08

And back on topic, the NT result will have no bearing whatsoever on the ACT result.

NT is a world away from the ACT in society, culture, economy and politics.

Thumper Thumper 8:15 am 13 Aug 08

Talking up inflation’

I’d say Swann and Rudd have been pretty good at this. They are also very good at telling us they feel our pain and kniw we are doing it tough.

That helps alot…

miz miz 11:39 pm 12 Aug 08

Actually JB I basically agree with your assessment, in that I think there will be a strong move to Indies and Greens. But I have a different theory as to why. I think (using me, a mainly Labor but occasionally swinging voter as a typical example) the voters who do this will largely be disenchanted, ‘betrayed’ Stanhopians.

Frankly I don’t have a prob with the feds (as yet), in fact they appear to have it together considering how long it is since their last stint. Recent polling seems to concur with my opinion, rating Rudd highly as preferred PM. Therefore I doubt if there is much ‘federal disenchantment’ at this stage, and if there is some, it is unlikely to have any real traction in the local election.

However, I suspect a fair few pissed off local Labor voters may find it hard to actually bring themselves to actually vote Lib! Thus, I expect they will go halfway, to the green/indie types, as you suggest.

Zed seems pretty cool, though. (And my daughter thinks he’s hot.)

johnboy johnboy 11:08 pm 12 Aug 08

I have to say I was struck by the way the incoming Government spent the first six months in power talking down the economy as if they were in opposition to score some cheap points.

At the moment most of the problems are in consumer sentiment rather than the fundamentals which remain so strong the RBA has yet to cut interest rates.

It might have been good politics to be negative but I wasn’t a fan of the economic impact.

Having said that it’s easily fixed, a lesson learned and on they move.

Getting back on topic… for this election the local libs should be concerned by this result IMHO.

Stanhope is a stronger figure than the wet behind the ears NT Labor figure and for all the CLP made “progress” they’re still in opposition.

Zed’s presidential campaign is short on substance and they’re spending vast amounts of money to little effect. Which is fair enough as they’ve got very little to say. (incidentally Zed our rates are very affordable and reach a vast swathe of previously untouchable ABC watchers).

With Labor tarred by Rudd disenchantment I’m still tipping a big green swing as the left of the party’s base votes green first before preferencing Labor.

Just my 2c.

miz miz 10:54 pm 12 Aug 08

‘Talking up inflation’ – anyone who says this ridiculous buzz phrase has to be a Lib – what tripe. Who would ‘talk up inflation’, and how does one do so, unless of course you simply mean, doing things differently from the last mob? Unfortunately, the federal Liberals (so called) still insist on being petulant about being done out of their ‘entitlement’ to rule the nation. Sorry, the people have spoken, and no one will vote in the Libs till they stop sulking about the last election result.

tom-tom tom-tom 9:26 pm 12 Aug 08

jakez; i see you have expressed a strong opinion here about people who make political comment without being entirely honest about who they are; with reference to that would you care to comment on a certain prominent young liberal(coincidently named jake z……) who got busted critcising rudds campaign in a letter to the editor in the canberra times during the last federal election?

Morgan Morgan 9:05 pm 12 Aug 08

Just asking Beasley (if that is your real name) what would you be doing to fix the economy now?

As far as I can see part of the problem is the lack of skilled workers because there aren’t enough people to educate. Is this Bob Hawkes fault for not making people in the 1980’s frisky enough?

What could predicting the problems of banking regulation have meant we could have done something differently?

Its people like you that give good upstanding liberal voters a bad name.

teepee teepee 8:12 pm 12 Aug 08

Sorry that spin on GDE is baloney. In 2001 Carnell or Humphries (whichever was Chief Min at the time) promised a 4 lane GDE for around $50m. The Libs wanted it to go along the route where it is now. Labor went to the 2001 election promising to build a “Western” route, through the AIS grounds. The AIS got upset with half their carparks disappearing (ie: you couldn’t host big crowds anymore in the AIS arena if Stanhope got his way), so they objected. The NCA sided with AIS and said no to the Western route. A short time later Labor announce they will cut the number of lanes because of cost.

The after that the Greenies sue the ACT govt and the project is delayed further. Then Labor finally start building in 2004, after the project was meant to be finished and unsurprisingly the cost blows out a few more times again, due to mining boom and construction boom driving up prices.

It is always a cop-out when the Chief Minister blames the Greenies/Save the Ridge folk from O’Connor, when they sued after he’d downsized the road. And also a cop-out to blame the NCA and ipso facto the federal Liberals, when he didn’t need to attempt a Western route and could have stuck with the original Eastern one all along.

I’ve got a friend in TAMS who knows all the ins and outs who said they would have saved a packet if construction began in 2001 or 2002. And now the saga is starting all over again! My guess … wait for further blowouts.

johnboy johnboy 8:12 pm 12 Aug 08

I think Aurelius is referring to the great “eastern alignment versus western alignment” argument by which local political wonks excluded themselves from civilised society at the dawn of the millennium.

The NCA decided the matter in the end with many suspecting it was political pettyness by Liberal hacks in the organisation doing it out of spite.

Thumper Thumper 7:32 pm 12 Aug 08

Those who wish to cite the GDE as a failure because it’s one lane – I agree, it should be two from the beginning. But it was Liberal opposition to the road (both local and Federal) that meant it was built in the restricted way it was.

Sorry?

Can I have a source for this?

Bungle Bungle 6:54 pm 12 Aug 08

Hey Beasley, I think 2/3rds of the public aren’t stupid enough to realise that this downturn in the economy has nothing to do with who is in charge.

It’s just a combination of high oil prices and the banks investing too much in dodgy American mortgage companies.

What’s your man Nelson got planned? Take 5c off the price of petrol?? That’ll save the world.

BTW, I’m not a Rudd fanboy. I wouldn’t say he’s doing a brilliant job, but the economy would be in the same state no matter who’s in charge.

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