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Lack of speed limit signs up to Northbourne RL/Speed Camera

By Sgt.Bungers - 29 November 2009 40

So I’m sick of writing directly to our Minister for Transport (Stanhope) every time I find what I view as a major flaw with something on ACT’s roads… I’ll still be doing that in this case, but thought I’d rant on here as well.

Northbound traffic on Commonwealth Avenue is now greeted with a sole 60km/h speed limit sign just before they enter city circle. This is where the speed limit now drops from 70km/h. The speed limit sign is a class C sized sign, ie: one of the smallest, and is placed on the median strip (right hand side of the road) immediately before the road bends to the left.

I first noticed this about a week ago and for some reason recalled that there were repeater signs before the red light/speed camera at the Northbourne/Barry Drive intersection. Today I confirmed this is not the case. In summary; there is only one small speed limit sign advising drivers of a drop in the speed limit, which is then enforced by a speed camera up the road. This speed limit sign is placed on a section of road with 5 lanes going in one direction (4 straight ahead lanes including cycle lane, 1 exit lane for London Cct), and is placed on the right hand side of the road, immediately before a left hand bend… hence drivers will be looking to the left, not the right.

Not *that* big a deal for seasoned Canberra residents who know the limit drops to 60 there, but what about interstate tourists? Is this adequate warning? IMHO, no, it’s pathetic.

Does the ACT Gov really want people driving cars to slow down as they approach a section of Northbourne Ave with heavy pedestrian traffic? Apparently not. If they did, there would be large size A or B speed limit signs (plural) where the limit drops, and “60” painted in each lane. There would be repeater signs as drivers come out of City Circle, and there would be further repeater signs leading up to the speed camera.

IMHO, every time this or any other speed camera catches a person breaking a speed limit, it has failed to do it’s job. That person has not slowed down.

I do not condone people exceeding the speed limit. However a far, far more deplorable practice than drivers exceeding a speed limit, is a local Road Authority apparently making the most piddly, absolute minimum of an attempt to advise drivers of a drop in a speed limit, then rigorously enforcing that speed limit with a speed camera. It is 100% revenue raising.

What happens when a person is booked by any speed camera? They loose demerit points and get a fine of course. Easy, pay up, be done with it, learn that the government is out to get your money… unless that person is on the dole, in which case the fine could be an entire weeks income. Unless of course you’ve nearly maxed out your demerit points, or are on a probationary licence… in which case you loose your licence, possibly lose your sole source of income, end up bankrupt… all because of ACT GovCo’s incompetence at maintaining speed limit signs.

If our toy government really believed the bullshit they spurt about “speed” being the biggest killer on our roads, then they would make every attempt to advertise and make every driver 100% aware of what a speed limit is on any given road and the boundaries of that speed limit. They do not.

Appalling, utterly appalling.

Off to take some photos, write to the CT, and once again, fire off another letter to Stanhope.

Hooroo.

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Lack of speed limit signs up to Northbourne RL/Speed Camera
Sgt.Bungers 11:11 pm 29 Nov 09

ChrisinTurner said :

In the absence of speed signs the limit is 50 km/hr!! After passing through three sets of lights, presumably at 50 km/hr, how could you get caught at Barry Parade traveling at more than 60 km/hr?

An interstate tourist who visits Canberra for the first time will not know the limits around here. On commonwealth ave they’ll pass 6 signs (off the top of my head) advising of a 70kmh speed limit. Coming into Vernon circle, if the sole 60kmh sign is missed for whatever reason… truck in the right lane blocking the sign, exiting vehicle at London cct slowing for a person on a bike ahead, then that interstate tourist will recieve no other queues regarding the now lower speed limit.

They now see the speed camera signs, check their speed as advised, are doing 70kmh as the last speed limit sign they saw on that stretch of road said… $130 odd thankyou very much.

There lies the problem. 50kmh applies whenever a person turns onto a new stretch of road, until a speed limit sign advising otherwise is passed. In this situation, people coming up commonwealth onto northbourne have not turned onto a new road.

Sgt.Bungers 10:18 pm 29 Nov 09

BenMac said :

Google street view shows 2 60km/h signs before vernon circle on either side of the 3 lanes.

Trust me, I tripped checked so as not to make a fool of myself posting this. Even got photos.

The 60km/h limit for northbound traffic used to start just before Parkes way, there were two size C signs advising of the drop, followed by 2 size C repeater signs at the London cct entrance. I’m sure I saw more repeater signs before the camera at Barry Dr in the past, but I cannot give dates.

The 70km/h limit has since been extended, the first lot of 60km/h signs replaced with 70km/h signs. The 60kmh limit now starts at the London Cct exit. Why there is only one sign there I’m not sure. Vandals perhaps? Regardless, why was there no redundancy built into the signage? With a camera up the road there should have been. Why no repeater signs before the camera? Why not paint the speed limit on the road? If there are so many people exceeding the speed limit that a speed camera is warranted, why did the ACT GovCo make every attempt to advertise the limit through this area before deciding a camera was necessary?

Photos:

http://capital-roads.blogspot.com/

MrPC 10:08 pm 29 Nov 09

If you’re that passionate about it, make homemade signs on wooden stakes and stick them in the median and maybe also in the nature strip, near this and other fixed speed/RL cameras.

ChrisinTurner 10:03 pm 29 Nov 09

In the absence of speed signs the limit is 50 km/hr!! After passing through three sets of lights, presumably at 50 km/hr, how could you get caught at Barry Parade traveling at more than 60 km/hr?

Thumper 9:00 pm 29 Nov 09

wow, fire up there boy…

Genghicat 8:41 pm 29 Nov 09

If you’re that passionate about it, I would think that the best way of seeing what Jon Stanhope thinks is to “ambush” him on public radio. He’s does talk-back on 666 every second Friday morning.

It’s a relatively good forum and he provides direct (albeit verbose) feedback to the community about what concerns the average punter.

It’s one of the things I like about Canberra that I don’t see anywhere else in the country. You get direct access to the people you elect and can ask them all sorts of questions and get an answer straight away.

Pandy 8:24 pm 29 Nov 09

Go Sarge!!!! call the Chief Minister on ABC 666 call backs on alternate Fridays after 9am

Sgt.Bungers 8:24 pm 29 Nov 09

bd84 said :

Copy and paste into an email to Roads ACT. Though you virtually need to slow to 60 going around that bend and lower to anticipate the red light. Anyway, I believe the red light/speed camera is on the southbound intersection and not the northbound intersection unless they have changed that recently.

There is still a camera in that spot. The camera I’m refering to is further North, at the Barry Dr/Northbourne intersection, near Maccas.

Sgt.Bungers 8:23 pm 29 Nov 09

grunge_hippy said :

do you think you might need another hobby???

dude, pull the stick out.

I’d rather not. Someone has to look out for the rather blatant shortfalls in the ACT GovCo’s road safety policies/systems. I quite enjoy my hobby 🙂

Skyring 8:23 pm 29 Nov 09

Anyone going around Vernon Circle at more than 60 km/h is going too fast, just by feeling the tyres on the road. You straighten up and you see office buildings ahead and one set of traffic lights after another into the middle distance. It’s not going to be 70 or 80 km/h through Civic.

I agree, there should be more signage, but there’s also the principle that drivers should adjust their speed according to the conditions, such as wet conditions, heavy pedestrian traffic, visibility etc.

BenMac 8:20 pm 29 Nov 09

Google street view shows 2 60km/h signs before vernon circle on either side of the 3 lanes.

cranky 8:11 pm 29 Nov 09

I’m with the Sgt.

Numerous examples of apparently inconsistent signposting, weird bike lanes, inconsistent and (invariably) low – for the road conditions – speed limits have been detailed on this site, and often in the Crimes.

The bureacratic reaction – SFA change. ALL of these strange decisions have high revenue raising potential.

GovCo may feel that “We would prefer everyone stuck to the speed limit and we earnt nothing in speeding fines’ but illogically low, poorly signposted speed limits are guaranteed to earn money, so why change the system?

We do need some system to express our opinion of these (apparently deliberate) inconsistent situations, and obtain reassurance that revenue raising is not the highest priority. An expert revue panel would do nicely.

BenMac 8:10 pm 29 Nov 09

I believe the red light/speed camera is on the southbound intersection and not the northbound intersection unless they have changed that recently

The Barry Dr/Northbourne camera is northbound, and always has been. The London Cir/Northbourne camera is southbound.

grunge_hippy 7:04 pm 29 Nov 09

do you think you might need another hobby???

dude, pull the stick out.

bd84 5:59 pm 29 Nov 09

Copy and paste into an email to Roads ACT. Though you virtually need to slow to 60 going around that bend and lower to anticipate the red light. Anyway, I believe the red light/speed camera is on the southbound intersection and not the northbound intersection unless they have changed that recently.

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