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Liberals policy dump

By johnboy 3 September 2012 54

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The Canberra Liberals have just dropped a huge slew of policies:

Today, ACT Opposition Leader Zed Seselja outlined a comprehensive plan to give Canberrans better basic services and lower rates and charges.

We’ll link them in as we get them online. But here are the headlines:


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Mysteryman 12:01 pm 05 Sep 12

Frustrated said :

rescuedg said :

Those are some pretty huge cuts to revenue streams for the ACT Government, as well as new spending. Where is the money coming from?

+1

The Libs are playing Canberra voters for fools, we know they wont cut their revenue streams.

They will give with one hand and take back with the other.

We’ve had 11 years of Labor. Canberra voters clearly are fools.

At least Zed knows the demographic.

satyr 11:05 am 05 Sep 12

I’ve voted Liberals for most of my life. I used to live in Sydney, and I couldn’t stomach the idea of voting for Labor in any NSW State election I’ve voted in. Looking at these policies, I think it’s time to recognise that when voting for State and Territory governments, service delivery is a more important consideration than ideology. I’m sick of political parties implementing policies that are simply wealth transfers to rich homeowners, whether they be the first home buyer’s scheme (which is by far the worst, because it’s supposed to reduce prices for new home buyers, but simply raises them and transfers the money to homeowners) or solar panel subsidies.

All I want for Christmas is hard waste collection, green bins, and at least a punt at fixing our woeful public transport, not a tax discount and wealth transfer to the wealthy and an upgrade to roads.

JerryJohnson 5:03 pm 04 Sep 12

The problem with this black hole is that it doesn’t go far enough.

johnboy 11:38 am 04 Sep 12

Tetranitrate said :

That’s my guess. It’s certainly plausible for the libs to get a 3rd seat in Brindabella, but unless an independent can win in Ginninderra or Molonglo at the expense of the ALP/Greens there’s just no way.

Come on down Chic Henry.

Tetranitrate 11:27 am 04 Sep 12

Thumper said :

johnboy said :

Not that simple. Labor have lost a huge swathe of primary vote getters in Hargreaves and Stanhope, the Liberals are coming off historic lows, Labor in general is not a happy brand, and it’s a Government that’s been in office a long time.

Not saying Labor can’t get back in, just saying the game is still in play.

Can Val Jeffery get the oldies out in Tuggeranong? Can Chic Henry get the traditional Labor voters of Belconnen to vote 1 Summernats?

I’ll put my prediction out there.

Greens 2
ALP 7
Libs 8

ALP minority government.

That’s my guess. It’s certainly plausible for the libs to get a 3rd seat in Brindabella, but unless an independent can win in Ginninderra or Molonglo at the expense of the ALP/Greens there’s just no way.

Thumper 11:02 am 04 Sep 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dpm said :

Thumper said :

Oh come on, Rudd promised the universe and everything within it.

And then deliver a small, rather inconsequential pebble which probably got stuck in his shoe at some stage of the election campaign.

It can be soooo hard to work out which side of politics people are aligned with sometimes….!
Hahaha! Lucky my disinterest in their ideologies, actually more the fact we don’t really have a left and right – more two shades of conservative ‘middle’ nowadays – means I don’t get as passionate about these things! Call me simple! 🙂

Correct. both partys are conservative morons. it just seems that labour are a tiny bit less incompetent.

+1

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 10:43 am 04 Sep 12

dpm said :

Thumper said :

Oh come on, Rudd promised the universe and everything within it.

And then deliver a small, rather inconsequential pebble which probably got stuck in his shoe at some stage of the election campaign.

It can be soooo hard to work out which side of politics people are aligned with sometimes….!
Hahaha! Lucky my disinterest in their ideologies, actually more the fact we don’t really have a left and right – more two shades of conservative ‘middle’ nowadays – means I don’t get as passionate about these things! Call me simple! 🙂

Correct. both partys are conservative morons. it just seems that labour are a tiny bit less incompetent.

Thumper 10:29 am 04 Sep 12

johnboy said :

Not that simple. Labor have lost a huge swathe of primary vote getters in Hargreaves and Stanhope, the Liberals are coming off historic lows, Labor in general is not a happy brand, and it’s a Government that’s been in office a long time.

Not saying Labor can’t get back in, just saying the game is still in play.

Can Val Jeffery get the oldies out in Tuggeranong? Can Chic Henry get the traditional Labor voters of Belconnen to vote 1 Summernats?

I’ll put my prediction out there.

Greens 2
ALP 7
Libs 8

ALP minority government.

dpm 10:03 am 04 Sep 12

Thumper said :

Oh come on, Rudd promised the universe and everything within it.

And then deliver a small, rather inconsequential pebble which probably got stuck in his shoe at some stage of the election campaign.

It can be soooo hard to work out which side of politics people are aligned with sometimes….!
Hahaha! Lucky my disinterest in their ideologies, actually more the fact we don’t really have a left and right – more two shades of conservative ‘middle’ nowadays – means I don’t get as passionate about these things! Call me simple! 🙂

pepmeup 9:46 am 04 Sep 12

Re polling, you don’t really need any to predict the outcome. Greens to get minimum 2 seats 1in molonglo 1in ginnenderra. That means libs need 9 of the remaining 15 seats. Impossible so we will have another Labor greens gov in the act.

So we can all complain about:

Plastic bags
No fireworks
Gov buying out cage egg farms
All two lane roads becoming 1 lane plus bike lane
Public “art” on road sides
Ect ect

At the end of the day who ever wins we are all pretty lucky! If this is all we have to complain about

    johnboy 9:54 am 04 Sep 12

    Not that simple. Labor have lost a huge swathe of primary vote getters in Hargreaves and Stanhope, the Liberals are coming off historic lows, Labor in general is not a happy brand, and it’s a Government that’s been in office a long time.

    Not saying Labor can’t get back in, just saying the game is still in play.

    Can Val Jeffery get the oldies out in Tuggeranong? Can Chic Henry get the traditional Labor voters of Belconnen to vote 1 Summernats?

Thumper 8:37 am 04 Sep 12

“Some of us have lofty ideals about what a policy actually is. Thanks to the defeat of Hewson (and possibly also of Mark Latham), no political party will present a genuine policy stance for a long time. Instead, the small target approach rules the day, especially for oppositions. After all, that is how Rudd got into power.”

Oh come on, Rudd promised the universe and everything within it.

And then deliver a small, rather inconsequential pebble which probably got stuck in his shoe at some stage of the election campaign.

housebound 5:47 am 04 Sep 12

The Canberra Times appropriates a headline and tries to label RA all at the same time:

In a move described as a ”policy dump” by their opponents, the Liberals announced no fewer than 20 election commitments yesterday as part of a five-point plan for ”better local services and lower rates and charges.”’
(See http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/libs-bank-on-bulk-policies-pitch-20120903-259g2.html)

    johnboy 8:08 am 04 Sep 12

    We are merely scrutineers.

    One assumes Liberal opponents are appropriating our language.

Diggety 2:43 am 04 Sep 12

pirate_taco said :

$700m for roads + extra for parking, but nothing serious to fix public transport, which would reduce the need to spend money on roads.
The money would be much better invested in fixing public transport, which if we can build the demand it will lead to light rail being a justified expense.
Improved use of public transport will help meet our emissions targets, will save the community money as a whole, and will save lives with less accidents on the roads.
Short term thinking there Zed.

Hundreds of millions of extra spending commitments, millions in revenue reductions – what are they going to cut to pay for it?
Will Zed pull a Cambell Newman and start slashing basic services?

The slow phasing out of stamp duty was one of the few good Labor policies.
Stamp duty should have started to be phased out a decade ago after the GST was implemented, but instead he wants to subsidise first home buyers to compensate for stupidly high stamp duty instead.
Stamp duty disproportionally taxes a small section of the community instead of putting the load on everyone fairly, and without it you wouldn’t need inefficient kludges like the home buyer concession scheme.

The urgent care clinics sound awfully like the walk in centres that they love to criticize too…

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT

Your party had some ideas I liked, which is a shame because you seem to be going out of your way to make politician seem even more retarded than they already are.

Primal 1:16 am 04 Sep 12

That Parking ‘Plan’ is amazingly pissweak. All sizzle, no steak.

Myles Peterson 11:57 pm 03 Sep 12

Anyone lay their hands on polling, internal or otherwise?

Non-empirical consensus seems to be 7/7/3 Lib/Lab/Green, which means another candy-cane alliance and business as usual.

pepmeup 10:35 pm 03 Sep 12

Having read parts of the Quinlan tax review that has been endorsed under labors budget I can see that over the next 5-10 years my rates will triple, I currently pay about $2400 do tripling that gives you about $7200 or about $140 per week, that’s $140 a week to live in a house that I (along with the Commbank) own. Seems like a lot of money. Couple that with new new land tax arrangements passed in the budget and you will be looking at landlords paying $200-250 per week in rates and tax. Luckily I can afford to pay my rates but god help rent payers when land lords costs go up. We all know who really pays all taxes on landlords.

chewy14 9:02 pm 03 Sep 12

housebound said :

Some of us have lofty ideals about what a policy actually is. Thanks to the defeat of Hewson (and possibly also of Mark Latham), no political party will present a genuine policy stance for a long time. Instead, the small target approach rules the day, especially for oppositions. After all, that is how Rudd got into power.

That is why we get the incumbent Labor party promising taps in schools, the Greens promising $ for the RSPCA and trams, and the Libs promising things like this.

I for one would like to see a real policy, in the old fashioned sense of the word, but why would anyone bother? No one will read it other than the other side, who will look for the smallest of flaws and inconsistencies and blow them out of proportion.

It is a sad state of affairs.

The last thing I want from our oversized local council is lofty policy ideas. The more bland and day to day their policy announcements are, the happier I would be.

pirate_taco 8:24 pm 03 Sep 12

$700m for roads + extra for parking, but nothing serious to fix public transport, which would reduce the need to spend money on roads.
The money would be much better invested in fixing public transport, which if we can build the demand it will lead to light rail being a justified expense.
Improved use of public transport will help meet our emissions targets, will save the community money as a whole, and will save lives with less accidents on the roads.
Short term thinking there Zed.

Hundreds of millions of extra spending commitments, millions in revenue reductions – what are they going to cut to pay for it?
Will Zed pull a Cambell Newman and start slashing basic services?

The slow phasing out of stamp duty was one of the few good Labor policies.
Stamp duty should have started to be phased out a decade ago after the GST was implemented, but instead he wants to subsidise first home buyers to compensate for stupidly high stamp duty instead.
Stamp duty disproportionally taxes a small section of the community instead of putting the load on everyone fairly, and without it you wouldn’t need inefficient kludges like the home buyer concession scheme.

The urgent care clinics sound awfully like the walk in centres that they love to criticize too…

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT

Frustrated 8:17 pm 03 Sep 12

rescuedg said :

Those are some pretty huge cuts to revenue streams for the ACT Government, as well as new spending. Where is the money coming from?

+1

The Libs are playing Canberra voters for fools, we know they wont cut their revenue streams.

They will give with one hand and take back with the other.

joingler 8:09 pm 03 Sep 12

Truthiness said :

our political parties so bland and conventional. Do these people not have dreams or ideals? I thought leaders were meant to lead us somewhere, towards a goal or aspiration. Zeds only aspiration is to win the election, these policies are empty and non threatening, they don’t commit to any philosophy or outcome. What is the ideological difference here? Or are we all so resigned to neo-liberalist conservatism that we no longer even consider there might be other options?

If the liberals were extreme right wingers who wanted to kill all immigrants and can all public services, that at least would be some measure of commitment to a cause. I’d disagree, but at least there would be something to argue about.

This… this is wishy washy non committal nit picking about fairly inconsequential minutae. No substance, no stance, just the same old rehashed centrist populism both major parties have been mired in for decades.

Vote for us, everything will be exactly the same but slightly different!

Excellent post. That is (partly) why I’m voting Bullet Train Party. They don’t have any policies other than HSR but at least it is a vision. These days it is all ‘improvements to health’ or ‘extra schools funding.’

To be fair, I do like the idea of free shuttles in the suburbs to town centres. It would have to be done right though.

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