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Libs offer up light rail alternatives for Northbourne

By Charlotte Harper 15 December 2015 80

Northbourne Ave

The ACT Liberal Opposition has today proposed three alternatives to light rail on the Northbourne Avenue corridor based on ideas provided by the community.

Canberrans can read the 19-page paper outlining the alternatives on Shadow Minister for Transport Alistair Coe’s website here.

Until today, the Liberals’ anti-light rail campaign had focused on criticizing the transport plan without offering up alternatives.

Mr Coe said the options paper was designed to show that the debate should not be light rail or nothing.

“There are other infrastructure options using the existing bus network, that can improve public and private transport on Northbourne Avenue,” he said.

Option 1 would involve moving the cycle lane into the median strip on Northbourne, with bus priority measures added along the corridor.

Option 1

Option 2 would see a bus lane built inthe Northbourne Avenue median, with the cycle lane remaining as is. The bus lane would be one-way, and would transport people into the City in the morning and away from the City in the afternoon.

Option 2

Under Option 3, government would build a bus lane in the Northbourne Avenue median with cycle lanes on either side.

Option 3

“Options 2 and 3 will save bus users 10 minutes at peak time and deliver a faster service than light rail at a fraction of the cost,” Mr Coe said.

“These options will be further explored by the Opposition, along with ideas to improve the operation of the bus network.”

A Belconnen-Civic busway, which included a bus lane down the Northbourne median strip, was Labor’s preferred option over light rail for some years. It was included in the ACT Government’s 2010 Infrastructure Plan, under  “future directions”.

The Minister for Capital Metro Simon Corbell himself appears to have favoured the bus lane option over light rail back in 2012, as this earlier RiotACT article indicates. It also includes a light rail timeline opening with the fact that the 1994 Canberra Light Rail Implementation Study found that light rail was feasible for the territory.

 

 


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Frustrated 1:17 pm 31 Dec 15

As someone who worked for the ACT Government, back when Crooked Carnell and her cronies were in power, I shudder to think what a Hanson Govt would do to this city. The fact that numpty Coe was elected as member of the LA, and has shown nothing but incompetence as the shadow transport minister.

HenryBG 1:55 am 23 Dec 15

rubaiyat said :

(Abbott did the same to the NBN, made it less of an issue)

Actually the NBN is a good example of how the Liberals work.

The Liberals ran a huge scare campaign against FTTH which fooled the clueless, saved nothing, are making the engineers build a Claytons network to maintain Australia’s backwardness, which will have to be ripped out at huge expense in short order so we can do what we were going to do in the first place.

I would not characterise what Murdoch’s Minions did to our NBN as being anything like “how the Liberals work”.

We are now reading about the vast and predicted cost blowouts associated with trying to make a low-grade copper network perform somewhat similar to how the NBN was going to – the non-NBN is now costing *more* than the original FTTP broadband was ever going to, and the non-NBN will need to be replaced in the very near future, with….a proper NBN, as per the original plan.

This is less about “the Liberals” and more about a disengaged electorate allowing political parties to be driven/hijacked by exceedingly small pressure groups. In this case, we had a bunch of peoplle whose mission it was to cripple the NBN, and renewable energy, who managed to gain a 51% share of the say in the Liberal Party.

Zed Seselja was particularly notable in this tiny clique of non-Liberal liberals – he was instrumental in utlising the mindless NIMBY noise to stymie what was going to be our gas-fired power station, as well as giving general support of an Abbot vision for an Australia run for the benefit of corporations and against its citizens’ interests.

I have had a strong urge for several years now to join the Liberal Party in order to attend their meetings/seances/’whatever it is they do to come to decisions, so that I could assist them in avoiding embarrassing behaviour in the future.

Zed, like Tony, has absolutely no place in the Liberal Party.

gooterz 1:18 am 23 Dec 15

rubaiyat said :

watto23 said :

rommeldog56 said :

David_Wedgwood said :

Please stand. The decision to demolish the old Canberra Hospital was taken by the Carnell Liberal Government. That Liberal Government was solely responsible for that decision and all the consequences.

Ok – I’m standing as I type this. So, they paid the price for that and other stuff ups by loosing Government in the ACT LA.

And will voters here do the same to the ACT Labor/Greens Government. 12 months time (or sooner) will tell.

It will be easier for Hanson, now that Abbott is gone federally. Personally, other than this average attempt to provide an alternative public transport solution (Abbott did the same to the NBN, made it less of an issue) I’m waiting to see what policies the Lib have for next election. I’m hoping its some good policies for improving Canberra and not just we’ll reduce taxes because we are Liberal type scare campaign.

Actually the NBN is a good example of how the Liberals work.

The Liberals ran a huge scare campaign against FTTH which fooled the clueless, saved nothing, are making the engineers build a Claytons network to maintain Australia’s backwardness, which will have to be ripped out at huge expense in short order so we can do what we were going to do in the first place.

At the last few months Labor completely fudged the numbers of it and left an NBN that was far more expensive to use than previous technology. The whole point of the NBN was cheap ubiquitous internet access. It would have been far better if they followed though with the original 5 billion dollar NBN idea supplied by the consortium however they decided to screw that around because Telstra refused to bid.

The libs based their NBN on the cooked books of labors NBN.

rubaiyat 5:08 pm 22 Dec 15

watto23 said :

rommeldog56 said :

David_Wedgwood said :

Please stand. The decision to demolish the old Canberra Hospital was taken by the Carnell Liberal Government. That Liberal Government was solely responsible for that decision and all the consequences.

Ok – I’m standing as I type this. So, they paid the price for that and other stuff ups by loosing Government in the ACT LA.

And will voters here do the same to the ACT Labor/Greens Government. 12 months time (or sooner) will tell.

It will be easier for Hanson, now that Abbott is gone federally. Personally, other than this average attempt to provide an alternative public transport solution (Abbott did the same to the NBN, made it less of an issue) I’m waiting to see what policies the Lib have for next election. I’m hoping its some good policies for improving Canberra and not just we’ll reduce taxes because we are Liberal type scare campaign.

Actually the NBN is a good example of how the Liberals work.

The Liberals ran a huge scare campaign against FTTH which fooled the clueless, saved nothing, are making the engineers build a Claytons network to maintain Australia’s backwardness, which will have to be ripped out at huge expense in short order so we can do what we were going to do in the first place.

watto23 1:44 pm 22 Dec 15

rommeldog56 said :

David_Wedgwood said :

Please stand. The decision to demolish the old Canberra Hospital was taken by the Carnell Liberal Government. That Liberal Government was solely responsible for that decision and all the consequences.

Ok – I’m standing as I type this. So, they paid the price for that and other stuff ups by loosing Government in the ACT LA.

And will voters here do the same to the ACT Labor/Greens Government. 12 months time (or sooner) will tell.

It will be easier for Hanson, now that Abbott is gone federally. Personally, other than this average attempt to provide an alternative public transport solution (Abbott did the same to the NBN, made it less of an issue) I’m waiting to see what policies the Lib have for next election. I’m hoping its some good policies for improving Canberra and not just we’ll reduce taxes because we are Liberal type scare campaign.

rommeldog56 12:16 pm 22 Dec 15

David_Wedgwood said :

Please stand. The decision to demolish the old Canberra Hospital was taken by the Carnell Liberal Government. That Liberal Government was solely responsible for that decision and all the consequences.

Ok – I’m standing as I type this. So, they paid the price for that and other stuff ups by loosing Government in the ACT LA. And will voters here do the same to the ACT Labor/Greens Government. 12 months time (or sooner) will tell.

dungfungus 11:28 am 22 Dec 15

rosscoact said :

rubaiyat said :

dungfungus said :

rubaiyat said :

Nothing more clearly demonstrates the prejudice of most of the comments posted here, that posters here criticise the ACT Government for BOTH subsiding bus fares AND putting up the fares annually in line with inflation.

If ever the Liberals get into power, they’ll again do to the ACT economy what they did with the Canberra Hospital implosion and Bruce Stadium, by reneging on the Light Rail contracts AND putting up the ACTION bus fares.

But of course that will be done “responsibly”. Five-minute-memory Tribalism kicking in on cue.

Will this actually get posted? Let’s spin the Wheel of Fortune and see. Or if it does, see which bits get removed so as to not show exactly what the “moderators” are doing. Which is not moderating moderately or consistently.

I don’t believe any government, anywhere has ever been praised for increasing public transport bus fares.
If the Liberals get into power they will privatise ACTION, something that a Labor government could never do because of ties to the TWU.
Bring it on!

Maybe you can point us to the ACT Liberal Party policy that states that, or is that you Jeremy and you’ve let the cat out of the bag?

Dungers isn’t Jeremy Hanson. She’s Vicki Dunne. But she’ll deny that of course.

That’s very sexist Rossco.

rosscoact 10:28 am 22 Dec 15

rubaiyat said :

dungfungus said :

rubaiyat said :

Nothing more clearly demonstrates the prejudice of most of the comments posted here, that posters here criticise the ACT Government for BOTH subsiding bus fares AND putting up the fares annually in line with inflation.

If ever the Liberals get into power, they’ll again do to the ACT economy what they did with the Canberra Hospital implosion and Bruce Stadium, by reneging on the Light Rail contracts AND putting up the ACTION bus fares.

But of course that will be done “responsibly”. Five-minute-memory Tribalism kicking in on cue.

Will this actually get posted? Let’s spin the Wheel of Fortune and see. Or if it does, see which bits get removed so as to not show exactly what the “moderators” are doing. Which is not moderating moderately or consistently.

I don’t believe any government, anywhere has ever been praised for increasing public transport bus fares.
If the Liberals get into power they will privatise ACTION, something that a Labor government could never do because of ties to the TWU.
Bring it on!

Maybe you can point us to the ACT Liberal Party policy that states that, or is that you Jeremy and you’ve let the cat out of the bag?

Dungers isn’t Jeremy Hanson. She’s Vicki Dunne. But she’ll deny that of course.

David_Wedgwood 10:03 am 22 Dec 15

rommeldog56 said :

rubaiyat said :

Nothing more clearly demonstrates the prejudice of most of the comments posted here, that posters here criticise the ACT Government for BOTH subsiding bus fares AND putting up the fares annually in line with inflation.

If ever the Liberals get into power, they’ll again do to the ACT economy what they did with the Canberra Hospital implosion and Bruce Stadium, by reneging on the Light Rail contracts AND putting up the ACTION bus fares.

So, there is a divergence of views of posters re ACTION bus fare increases ? Whats wrong with that – unless you don’t agree with it of course.

As I recall, it was the ACT Lib’s who pushed the plunger to bring down the old Canberra Hospital but the decision to demolish it was taken by the previous ACT Labor Government ?

As usual, I’ll stand corrected on that.

I might add that the Lib’s were voted out of Government in Canberra because of things like that + the Canberra Stadium cost blow out debacle.

Will that now also happen to the current ACT Labor Gov’t and their light rail infrastructure project, amongst others?

Please stand. The decision to demolish the old Canberra Hospital was taken by the Carnell Liberal Government. That Liberal Government was solely responsible for that decision and all the consequences.

rommeldog56 7:13 am 22 Dec 15

rubaiyat said :

Nothing more clearly demonstrates the prejudice of most of the comments posted here, that posters here criticise the ACT Government for BOTH subsiding bus fares AND putting up the fares annually in line with inflation.

If ever the Liberals get into power, they’ll again do to the ACT economy what they did with the Canberra Hospital implosion and Bruce Stadium, by reneging on the Light Rail contracts AND putting up the ACTION bus fares.

So, there is a divergence of views of posters re ACTION bus fare increases ? Whats wrong with that – unless you don’t agree with it of course.

As I recall, it was the ACT Lib’s who pushed the plunger to bring down the old Canberra Hospital but the decision to demolish it was taken by the previous ACT Labor Government ? As usual, I’ll stand corrected on that.

I might add that the Lib’s were voted out of Government in Canberra because of things like that + the Canberra Stadium cost blow out debacle. Will that now also happen to the current ACT Labor Gov’t and their light rail infrastructure project, amongst others?

rubaiyat 12:18 am 22 Dec 15

dungfungus said :

rubaiyat said :

Nothing more clearly demonstrates the prejudice of most of the comments posted here, that posters here criticise the ACT Government for BOTH subsiding bus fares AND putting up the fares annually in line with inflation.

If ever the Liberals get into power, they’ll again do to the ACT economy what they did with the Canberra Hospital implosion and Bruce Stadium, by reneging on the Light Rail contracts AND putting up the ACTION bus fares.

But of course that will be done “responsibly”. Five-minute-memory Tribalism kicking in on cue.

Will this actually get posted? Let’s spin the Wheel of Fortune and see. Or if it does, see which bits get removed so as to not show exactly what the “moderators” are doing. Which is not moderating moderately or consistently.

I don’t believe any government, anywhere has ever been praised for increasing public transport bus fares.
If the Liberals get into power they will privatise ACTION, something that a Labor government could never do because of ties to the TWU.
Bring it on!

Maybe you can point us to the ACT Liberal Party policy that states that, or is that you Jeremy and you’ve let the cat out of the bag?

dungfungus 10:13 pm 21 Dec 15

rubaiyat said :

Nothing more clearly demonstrates the prejudice of most of the comments posted here, that posters here criticise the ACT Government for BOTH subsiding bus fares AND putting up the fares annually in line with inflation.

If ever the Liberals get into power, they’ll again do to the ACT economy what they did with the Canberra Hospital implosion and Bruce Stadium, by reneging on the Light Rail contracts AND putting up the ACTION bus fares.

But of course that will be done “responsibly”. Five-minute-memory Tribalism kicking in on cue.

Will this actually get posted? Let’s spin the Wheel of Fortune and see. Or if it does, see which bits get removed so as to not show exactly what the “moderators” are doing. Which is not moderating moderately or consistently.

I don’t believe any government, anywhere has ever been praised for increasing public transport bus fares.
If the Liberals get into power they will privatise ACTION, something that a Labor government could never do because of ties to the TWU.
Bring it on!

tuco 5:58 pm 21 Dec 15

I for one welcome this new development. Not that I am posting anymore. Much.

rubaiyat 5:00 pm 21 Dec 15

Let’s see:

“To gag or not to gag?”

Spin the Wheel, round and round we go…

    Charlotte Harper 6:29 pm 21 Dec 15

    I’d suggest we take this discussion offline, Rubaiyat, rather than boring everyone else here with a continuing discussion about how and why your posts are so often moderated. I have emailed you before, feel free to contact me on that same address to discuss the matter further.

justin heywood 3:49 pm 21 Dec 15

rubaiyat said :

Nothing more clearly demonstrates the prejudice of most of the comments posted here, that posters here criticise the ACT Government for BOTH subsiding bus fares AND putting up the fares annually in line with inflation.

If ever the Liberals get into power, they’ll again do to the ACT economy what they did with the Canberra Hospital implosion and Bruce Stadium, by reneging on the Light Rail contracts AND putting up the ACTION bus fares.

But of course that will be done “responsibly”. Five-minute-memory Tribalism kicking in on cue.

Will this actually get posted? Let’s spin the Wheel of Fortune and see. Or if it does, see which bits get removed so as to not show exactly what the “moderators” are doing. Which is not moderating moderately or consistently.

Rubaiyat, I note that you’ve now ‘given up’ on this site but I’d like to comment just in case 🙂

I’ve been moderated here plenty. I’m not always happy about it either.

But only a fool would claim to be objective about their own work (or comments in this case). To my mind, you get more past the moderators than pretty much anyone else. In fact I once thought that you must BE a moderator.

IMHO if you are being moderated, take the hint and tone it down.

rubaiyat 12:48 pm 21 Dec 15

Nothing more clearly demonstrates the prejudice of most of the comments posted here, that posters here criticise the ACT Government for BOTH subsiding bus fares AND putting up the fares annually in line with inflation.

If ever the Liberals get into power, they’ll again do to the ACT economy what they did with the Canberra Hospital implosion and Bruce Stadium, by reneging on the Light Rail contracts AND putting up the ACTION bus fares.

But of course that will be done “responsibly”. Five-minute-memory Tribalism kicking in on cue.

Will this actually get posted? Let’s spin the Wheel of Fortune and see. Or if it does, see which bits get removed so as to not show exactly what the “moderators” are doing. Which is not moderating moderately or consistently.

    Charlotte Harper 1:21 pm 21 Dec 15

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rommeldog56 9:36 pm 20 Dec 15

Punter said :

Today I saw a news article announcing an increase in bus fares come the new year. I might have become a little cynical about the performance of our Government in their time, but I can’t help feeling there has been a significant effort to not only ignore promoting/arranging existing public transport options to their fullest potential but to make it seem them far less attractive option in the lead up to the upcoming “great light rail election’ in order to get this over the line.

Yep – the continual incraese in the cost of ACTION fares doesnt walk the walk of the “encourage use of public transport” talk/mantra/script so often robitically trotted out by Labor/Green MLAs and wanabees. In fact, it beggers belief. Is it any wonder there is such widespread disbelied in the tram as yet another solution to public transport.

OpenYourMind 5:48 pm 18 Dec 15

rubaiyat said :

Nilrem said :

dlenihan said :

dungfungus said :

Nilrem said :

Charlotte Harper said :

Cars might be a practical and efficient method of getting around but they’re also expensive to buy and to run. Plenty of Canberrans I know run one car per-family meaning some family members take public transport or cycle. No doubt many families can’t afford to run a car at all.

I belong to one of those families. Something the heavily pro-car people on Riot Act need to keep in mind. Sometimes I drive. Sometimes I bus. Sometimes I ride my bicycle. Sometimes I walk. Not everyone drives everywhere.

8% use public transport and 92% use something else. It’s a bit to walk from a town centre to Canberra City and not many choose to do the two wheel version either.
So, in fact most everyone drives everywhere.

Arhhh but if everyone becomes an inner city [stuff the the town centres plan] green hipster, the car problem will be solved. We can then tear down all those ugly suburbs,give the land back to nature and all enjoy sniffing our own farts at a Braddon cafe. Utopia!

An excellent demonstration of how throwing labels around contributes nothing of substance to a debate. However, it was an entertaining post.

An excellent demonstration of the “positive comments” that “contribute to the debate” and “non-abusive attacks” on posters that gets “posted more often”.

…and why I have given up on this site after having given up on that blight on the English language and education, The Canberra Times.

See you later Rubaiyat, I’m sure. But I’m pretty confident I won’t see you on a tram in Canberra.

Southmouth 4:57 pm 18 Dec 15

Masquara said :

Southmouth said :

dungfungus said :

Charlotte Harper said :

Cars might be a practical and efficient method of getting around but they’re also expensive to buy and to run. Plenty of Canberrans I know run one car per-family meaning some family members take public transport or cycle. No doubt many families can’t afford to run a car at all.

Cars have never been cheaper to buy and run. They are also very efficient. That is why young people are not using public transport any more.
Those who are able can ride a bike and only 8% use the buses.
And the buses aren’t cheap as the fares have to subsided with millions of dollars by fare payers and non-users alike.
That’s a big call to say “many” families in Canberra (where we possibly have the highest disposable incomes in the Western world) can’t afford a car at all. Even newly arrived refugee families can afford a car.

We are a family of 7 and we currently have 6 cars. The most used does 60,000km a year. Costs $7k total to run and is old so doesn’t depreciate much. My wife and i work long hours and our family time is far too precious to be sitting at a tram stop. I honestly can never see a time when we will not have cars if we continue to live in Canberra. Electric cars recharged by solar is what i see 10 years out. I would like someone to have the guts to predict the actual number of ACT registered vehicle reductions that will be related to the tram, and be measured later by the accuracy of those predictions.

Six cars? Please tell me that you don’t own any bicycles between you. Love it!

One each. Although because we have cars we can all participate in actual sport to keep fit. I know some very fit people who all own cars but not all own bikes so whats your point?

Nilrem 3:24 pm 18 Dec 15

rubaiyat said :

Nilrem said :

dlenihan said :

dungfungus said :

Nilrem said :

Charlotte Harper said :

Cars might be a practical and efficient method of getting around but they’re also expensive to buy and to run. Plenty of Canberrans I know run one car per-family meaning some family members take public transport or cycle. No doubt many families can’t afford to run a car at all.

I belong to one of those families. Something the heavily pro-car people on Riot Act need to keep in mind. Sometimes I drive. Sometimes I bus. Sometimes I ride my bicycle. Sometimes I walk. Not everyone drives everywhere.

8% use public transport and 92% use something else. It’s a bit to walk from a town centre to Canberra City and not many choose to do the two wheel version either.
So, in fact most everyone drives everywhere.

Arhhh but if everyone becomes an inner city [stuff the the town centres plan] green hipster, the car problem will be solved. We can then tear down all those ugly suburbs,give the land back to nature and all enjoy sniffing our own farts at a Braddon cafe. Utopia!

An excellent demonstration of how throwing labels around contributes nothing of substance to a debate. However, it was an entertaining post.

An excellent demonstration of the “positive comments” that “contribute to the debate” and “non-abusive attacks” on posters that gets “posted more often”.

…and why I have given up on this site after having given up on that blight on the English language and education, The Canberra Times.

You may have given up, but you just can’t resist the odd peek to check how things are going. 🙂

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