Lying for Todd Carney?

Overheard, I’d love to know where this decent sounding haunt in Turner is you speak of – but I wouldn’t expect you to mention it on here. You don’t want the Wankers…I mean Raiders ruining that joint too.

tylersmayhem said :

I agree that All Bar Nun is now a scar on the face of O’Conner by the sounds of it. I’ve only been there a couple of times about 8 years back. Back then it was a pretty quiet and chilled out place – one of the coolest places in Canberra. But as always, the loosers find out, make it their new local, and it turns to shit.

Agree. I used to frequent ABN many years ago when it was a great place to either chill or meet new people (sigh, memories!), or get rowdy watching the big football matches. (Superb during the 2003 Rugby World Cup.)

Now I just walk past it from the fish and chip shop to my irregular Friday night haunt across the road in Turner and shudder at what ABN’s become.

Is it true that Carney is now being hailed as the Raiders new whizz kid?

What is with this police/doughnut fixation? It’s an American cliche and just simply misplaced in an Australian context.

I completely agree. While I have been copping a little for using the term The Plod recently, I really can’t see where the doughnut references come from other then people have forgotted we live in Australia rather than the US.

I agree that All Bar Nun is now a scar on the face of O’Conner by the sounds of it. I’ve only been there a couple of times about 8 years back. Back then it was a pretty quiet and chilled out place – one of the coolest places in Canberra. But as always, the loosers find out, make it their new local, and it turns to shit.

bigred said :

DJ, All Bar Nun has become a blight on O’Connor. Lots of crap erupts there and the frequency suggest that plod should put it on their regular beat patrols. Visible presence can achieve wonders.

Should there be an attempt to change the liquor licence to address the suburban location and the problems associated with that? It is a thin line between congratulating a suburban business for becoming a success and a thorn in the side of the local residence.

I don’t go there all that often and to be honest it has been over 9 months since I went – I do recall seeing several Police wandering through and on the outside regularly.

What is with this police/doughnut fixation? It’s an American cliche and just simply misplaced in an Australian context.

johnboy said :

Stow it with the crap stirring ant or you can sit in the mod queue.

Ah. Now that’s interesting.

Stow it with the crap stirring ant or you can sit in the mod queue.

I thought the correct way of referring to our doughnut-motivated law enforcement was The Plod, or Mr Plod? (after the well-known character of children’s lit.). Not “plod”. I’m surprised our doughnut-motivated posters here haven’t jumped on that one with cries and feathers.

DJ, All Bar Nun has become a blight on O’Connor. Lots of crap erupts there and the frequency suggest that plod should put it on their regular beat patrols. Visible presence can achieve wonders.

BerraBoy68 said :

There’s also the Mullins case, their old fullback in the 90’s, where he crashed his car on Adelaide Av. one night and did a runner only to get off without charge (I think).

Sorry for the 3 poster…

Complete the urban myth about Mullins and tell us all how the Police drove his car home while giving him a lift in a Police vehicle….

bigred said :

All Bar Nun is way too big for a suburban location, its security pretty ordinary some of its clientele have little respect for any other human beings and with the lack of preventative action by plod there will almost always be a risk something bizarre will happen. Carney and Goodwin should be reinstated immediately, they are but victims in all this.

If you are seeking to turn the focus towards the Police you are way off the mark. Lack of preventative action by Police? Do some homework about how and what Police do in relation to education of alcohol and other drug abuse before you suggest that well trodden and regularly disproved notion.

They are victims? Without a personal attack I can only assume you are a one eyed supporter of these fools and that you have no concept of their well documented history of stupidity…. or did I miss the sarcasm in your post?

Mick1965 said :

So how come it took so long for this bloke to come out and say he lied….and why is he now changing his story????!!!!!

…..$…..

So how come it took so long for this bloke to come out and say he lied….and why is he now changing his story????!!!!!

All Bar Nun is way too big for a suburban location, its security pretty ordinary some of its clientele have little respect for any other human beings and with the lack of preventative action by plod there will almost always be a risk something bizarre will happen. Carney and Goodwin should be reinstated immediately, they are but victims in all this.

carney is a tard

I heard that they were kicked out after the Carney pulled off the Carney incident, went to Civic, came back and were not let in and that’s when the fight started.

I read that on one of the news sites somewhere.

Maybe All Bar Nun should practice responsible service of alcohol or perhaps kick the Raiders and their friends out when they are acting like idiots. They can return when they know how to behave properly. Anyone else would get kicked out for barking, urinating on people, exposing themselves and fighting. If I go there (or anywhere) and the raiders are there I don’t bother staying – they’re an embarrassment and totally unpredictable with their behaviour.

Back in the early 90’s a mate of mine was knocked out cold in a pub by one of the Raiders (can’t think of his name but I’m sure it was a prop). Anyhoo.. the story he told us at the time was this….

On the way to the bar my mate (a Canterbury fan) made a comment about this particular player giving one of the bulldogs a ‘coathanger’ during that day’s game. My mate continued to the bar to buy his drink and woke up on the floor after being king-hit from behind. Cops were called, statement taken etc.. A few days later day he received a call from the Raiders asking him not to press charges. He also said the cops had ask him if he’d received calls from the Raiders and when he said yes, they asked him to continue with the complaint as the Raiders were always doing this sort of thing. It eventually went to court and the Raiders player got off sighting self defense. The fact that the Raiders player was three times the size of my mate didn’t seem to matter. This particular player also had another assault case in court at the same time, the other one in regional NSW. It was in the media quite a bit at the time.

There’s also the Mullins case, their old fullback in the 90’s, where he crashed his car on Adelaide Av. one night and did a runner only to get off without charge (I think).

Perhaps they offered the urinatee a free rugby league funeral in Raiders colours to keep quiet.

No, I mean…stamps and coins as an investment rather than investing in a washed up bunch who cause fights in bars and piss on people.

Do you mean Japp Stam or Mark Coyne?

I’d sooner invest in old stamps and coins…

Re: 104 sponsorship.

They pay the bills, I don’t see the Raiders having much to say.

Management might have something to say about trashing their investment though.

between ‘qwert’ and ‘uiop[]\’!

Where is my Y key?!

Scotty and Nige on 104 were going to town on Carney this morning. They were brutal.

With 104.7 being “proud” sponsors and advertisers for the Raiders – wait until the “hysterical” apologies come tomorrow morning after those comical geniuses get complaints from the club.

“Hooaa ha ha, gee Nige…you’re so funny, hooaaa, we didn’t meant to say that about poor old Carney yesterday did we” haha.

“Hoooaaaa, no you’re the funniest Scotty! Yeah folks, c’mon out and support your local team, the might Canberra Raiders whooaa!

No thanks!

Mick said :

There has got to be some hush money in all this…

If Carney gets charged for the urinating on someone, his Rugby League career in Australia is over.

They have done whatever it takes to avoid that so the charges were dropped. Simple.

Carney isn’t getting charged for urinating on someone, because that someone withdrew his complaint.

Raiders will suspend him for a couple of weeks and fine him a few weeks pay. Everyone deserves a second chance, but what’s this now – his fifth?

The NRL talked off cancelling his NRL contract if he was guilty.

That would mean, off to England for another up and coming player!

Mick said :

If Carney gets charged for the urinating on someone, his Rugby League career in Australia is over.

If you can pooh in someone’s shoe and keep playing League in Australia, I dunno…

Scotty and Nige on 104 were going to town on Carney this morning. They were brutal.

RAGD said :

Doesn’t that mean that they guy admitting he lied to Police can be in trouble now?
After all he is admitting he lied.

As VG said earlier, lots of people lie to the police and get away with it.

There are far more people than just Irwin that saw Carney on that particular evening last year, but even if every one of them now came forward it wouldn’t help the ACT police re-open the case.

Irwin was just the expendable 80k fall guy that the Raiders management used to say “hey, we care about the local community and won’t tolerate this kind of behaviour”.

It was a case of protecting their business interests and investment versus protecting the community from a drink-driving lunatic. Guess which they chose….

Yeah….it has to be money.
Even if it’s just a few grand or something…
Raiders tickets of life???
Hahahaha…just kidding.

The person making the allegations is a friend of another player, I’m guessing more phone calls and favours than hush money.

Favours? What…free Raiders tickets, a signed ball, or maybe a urine stained jersey?

I’m thinking $$$!

agreed with Tyler, however I would prefer them to stop portraying Canberra as a town of wankers… Thats what the ACT Leg. Assembly is for.

Doesn’t that mean that they guy admitting he lied to Police can be in trouble now?
After all he is admitting he lied.

The person making the allegations is a friend of another player, I’m guessing more phone calls and favours than hush money.

> …and I keep hearing comments wondering why Canberra doesn’t seem to be supporting the Raiders like they used to!

Yep. Mrs Justbands last night said she could never support a team with people like that in it.

There has got to be some hush money in all this…

If Carney gets charged for the urinating on someone, his Rugby League career in Australia is over.

They have done whatever it takes to avoid that so the charges were dropped. Simple.

Brumbies must be rubbing their hands with glee….

…and I keep hearing comments wondering why Canberra doesn’t seem to be supporting the Raiders like they used to!

Try, stop representing a town as a bunch of wankers!

And I would add that this is my personal opinion, not that of who I work for

Lying to the Police happens each and every single day. Did you pinch the chocolate bar? No I didn’t. Here is the video evidence showing you doing it. What does the person get charged with (if anything). Theft. Not lying to the Police etc etc. Just theft.

Perverting the course of justice is an extremely long bow to draw in this case. Being told to ‘stick to a story’ (if indeed this happened) can hardly said to be applying enough pressure to substantiate such a charge.

Pressuring people to lie, and we’re talking real pressure, can have some consequences as far as perverting justice is concerned but I can tell you that at the end of the day nothing further wil happen here from a Police perspective. Irwin could have told Police that Carney was off his chops and exactly the same charges would have arisen. When questioned about his alcohol intake on the night in question all he had to do was tell Police that he wasn’t drunk and his story would cancel out Irwin’s. People doing the bolt from scenes where they may get breath tested isn’t rare.

Stat decs aren’t worth the paper they’re written on. Irwin would need to make a formal complaint to the Police that he was pressured into lying before anything would even get looked at and that won’t happen. Funny how its only now an issue now that Carney has done something stupid (allegedly) again. Didn’t feel the need to pipe up until the Tele rolled into it.

There is pressure and there is pressure. Unless Irwin can categorically prove that actual pressure was exerted on him to lie, which won’t happen, there’s nothing further really worth discussing about ‘that’ incident.

A bit like pollies who publically state they have evidence of certain members opposing them doing something untoward that ‘would warrant a Police investigation’ shutting up about it when the Police ask. Irwin’s credibility would be shot to pieces if push cam to shove here and, to be honest, Carney should be more worried about what will happen to him THIS time rather than what happened last time

Todd Carney even had Mark Parton standing up for him on a rival station

He was telling Mike Welsh on 2CC that he was there at All Bar Nun.

At least I think it was Mark Parton – he said his name was Mark, and it sounded a lot like him. I know he’s no longer working for 106, but it’s odd that he’d be calling a rival on the AM band.

Freudian slip there AG?

I don’t see how it would be perverting the course of justice. There is no way that Carney could have been charged with DUI based on someone saying he’d had a few drinks or that he was pissed. They need a definite test result on his blood alcohol content within two hours (could be wrong about the timeframe) in order to charge him with it.

If Irwin lied, he’s an idiot. If the Raiders told him to lie, they’re idiots. Whether he lied or told the truth would have had no impact on the charges laid on Carney.

EDIT – insert “the police” after media

Yep johnboy – it’s called perverting the course of justice. John Della Bosca and Belinda Neale know a bit about this type of thing. It is an offence to pressure a person to provide false or misleading information to police during an investigation…..

And should Mr Irwin complete a stat dec to back up wehat he has said in the media would then be obliged to investigate his allegation…wouldn’t they?

I honestly think Todd Carney IS a great role model**

(**Compared with Noa Nadruku).

For anyone to be charged with drink driving they need to be tested within hours.

Text messaging saying “stick to the story” certainly arouse suspicion, but certainly don’t prove anything, and are nowhere near enough for police to reopen their investigation. If they do, that is a complete WOFTAM.

I wonder why the Raiders would pressure someone to lie only to sack him days later. Would that not risk the revelation of said pressuring?

Cameron said :

There is absolutely no way that Irwin can prove it, and he knows it.

Depends if he’s still for the alleged text messages from Carney on his phone surely?

There is absolutely no way that Irwin can prove it, and he knows it. Seems to me that this one, like many others, will be tried in the media.

I don’t imagine that anyone would be shocked that NRL clubs are covering for their players indiscretions. Joey Johns anyone?

Pressuring people to lie to police and the courts, however, remains quite a serious crime does it not VG?

Somebody lied to the Police!

A revelation in contemporary society!

Force Police to re-open their investigation into a traffic matter? Ah……no

He didn’t cover up Carney’s ‘guilt’, the Court sorted that part out. The only part ‘hidden’ was the part about him being drunk (which incidentally is his opinion only). Police would have breath tested Carney if they could have, except from what I have read he bolted to Goulburn. At the end of the day Irwin telling Police he thought Carney was drunk would have made no difference to what he got charged with in the absence of proof of his intoxication (i.e. a breath test).

Sounds like the whinings of an ex ex footballer punted from Qld Cup who is short of a quid, that the Tele was keen to offer to. No real news value in it all. Only giving his opinion of what everyone else suspected (including the Courts) all along

SO they’ve been covering things up have they?

Hasn’t that been happening for quite a while?

Even if they’re denying the allegations the fact that the idea has been planted in peoples minds will put a huge dent in their credibility.