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Need help with snakes this season? Don’t ask TAMS.

By M 4 November 2013 90

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A sunny Sunday afternoon at my place was interrupted by a baby brown snake making it’s way into my front yard – casually seeking some warmth on our concrete driveway. Having small pets, we were carefully trying to make sure it couldn’t get into our bushes where it would never be found or we couldn’t track it to make sure it was gone.

Deciding just to keep an eye on it, we noticed it moved into our neighbours backyard. They often have small children playing in their yard, so this is when we decided to call TAMS to try and get a ranger out to safely remove the snake before someone got hurt. Do you think TAMS were concerned? Not in the slightest. Their advice ranged from “is it in the sun?” to “turn on your sprinkler to make sure it doesn’t get in your garden”. We stressed heavily it was in the vicinity of toddlers and was hanging around, rather than moving on, yet still no help.

Having checked their website since, they point out that it’s a criminal offence to kill a snake as they are ‘protected’ – yet they don’t want to help out the community by assisting where necessary. I’d assume this forces people to take matters into their own hands.

So to TAMS and their rangers, I say, thanks for nothing! I’ll be sure to remember how little you helped me next time the local government is asking for my help.

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CanberraSnakeRescue 10:22 pm 19 Dec 15

Madam Cholet said :

This issue was disucussed on ABC radio last week. I couldn’t gauge whether those over the border who deal with snakes would attend to ACT dwelling snakes though. Probably not.

Room in the market for a wrangler.

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Instant Mash 5:04 pm 09 Nov 13

So TAMS don’t want them killed, yet they don’t wanna help? Sounds to me like we can just do what we like about it. What are they gonna argue, that we should call them?

Lazy wankers.

tuco 1:53 pm 09 Nov 13

Watson said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Watson said :

Snakes rarely or never hang around in people’s backyards for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around snakes, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here in summer, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local wildlife using your backyard as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an apartment instead.

So, to paraphrase –
Cars rarely or never hang around on school roads for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around cars, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here during the hours of 8:00AM till 4:00PM, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local cars using our roads as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an hole in the ground instead.

Lol, it just dawned on me that you appear to be advocating 40kph zones for snakes here. I’m all for it!

And the cyclists are in the clear!

kakosi 10:51 pm 08 Nov 13

If you live in NSW rangers catch the snakes and release them further out in the bush, in Canberra we don’t have this service. Perhaps it’s a case of Canberra rangers not having the same training or skills?

wildturkeycanoe 7:27 pm 08 Nov 13

Watson said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Watson said :

Snakes rarely or never hang around in people’s backyards for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around snakes, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here in summer, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local wildlife using your backyard as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an apartment instead.

So, to paraphrase –
Cars rarely or never hang around on school roads for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around cars, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here during the hours of 8:00AM till 4:00PM, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local cars using our roads as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an hole in the ground instead.

lol!

I did actually start teaching my child how to safely cross roads when she was 3, in a very methodological and effective manner. Until I was absolutely sure that she could do it every single time, I supervised her. Just like I would around snakes.

In summary, if you can’t trust your kids to stay a safe distance from a snake that they’ve been warned about (a real luxury, the warning), you should not leave your kids unsupervised in the backyard.

Twas early in the morn and I hadn’t had a coffee yet. Seriously though, you can teach your kids all you want about the dangers of snakes, but if that snake happens to be lying next to a fence in short grass or curled under the trampoline and the kids don’t see it and get bitten, all the instruction in the world won’t prevent that snake from striking. Instead of just telling them to be wary, I would try to have that deadly creature extracted ASAP and taken to somewhere it can’t harm humans. Leaving it alone might be fine, but you are just increasing the risk of a bite by letting it be. When it disappears, you don’t know where it has gone, perhaps under the coiled up hose in the garden shed, inside the lawnmower catcher, under your favorite garden seat. If you surprise the snake, it is more likely to strike you than if you know it is there and can approach with warnings to scare it away. Who knows, it could be looking for somewhere in your yard to breed, then you’ll have more than one to deal with.
I believe any advice to just leave it be, especially if there are young kids around, is terribly dangerous. Would you let a strange pit-bull wander into your yard and simply tell your kids to just be mindful that there is a dangerous dog there? I’d call the ranger immediately.

scorpio63 5:06 pm 08 Nov 13

Ditto comment to you “Postal” Geek!

scorpio63 4:56 pm 08 Nov 13

Ya City Slicker CC!

Compression bandages are on the Farm and have been in the kitchen cupboard for years CC!

You are describing yourself poor Soul,

Done First Aid and raised my kids on the Farm now grown up oh and by the way never have used margarine or butter for burns; learned when I was a young teenager that wading in a cool chlorinated pool healed a body burn; well before I had married and had Children.

I feel sad for you CC there is rage inside of you based upon ignorance being a city slicker LOL!

Go “tourniquet” your mouth up CC,

Miss Cheeky: good advice though once snakes (had plenty near me over 30 years) are within striking range; not a great idea to shout or talk until they glide away,

Kindest regards All

MsCheeky 3:21 pm 08 Nov 13

scorpio63 said :

Standing stock still assists as does the cessation of moving and talking until it no longer feels threatened and glides away.

Kindest regards

There is a firm of snake wranglers who set up at the Canberra show every year and give a very informative presentation, complete with live snakes. That advice includes if you’re out bush, wear a decent pair of boots and jeans and no aussie snake will penetrate those to bite you. That’s their strongest recommendation.

They also advise that snakes can’t hear – they don’t have ears. They track things through movement and effectively lose sight of you if you stand still. The wranglers said that if you look down and see a snake at your feet, a really good option is to stand stock still until it moves away, and if you’re a little tense, well, you can scream like a banshee to release tension because the snake can’t hear you.

Of course, the hypothalamus is probably prompting all but the coolest customers to cut and run when we see a snake, but scream as you run if you want to. And +eleventy million on the advice re pressure bandages. When I had a bush property, I always had one in my pocket.

Killing them is just senseless.

Watson 1:23 pm 08 Nov 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

Watson said :

Snakes rarely or never hang around in people’s backyards for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around snakes, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here in summer, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local wildlife using your backyard as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an apartment instead.

So, to paraphrase –
Cars rarely or never hang around on school roads for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around cars, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here during the hours of 8:00AM till 4:00PM, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local cars using our roads as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an hole in the ground instead.

Lol, it just dawned on me that you appear to be advocating 40kph zones for snakes here. I’m all for it!

Watson 1:03 pm 08 Nov 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

Watson said :

Snakes rarely or never hang around in people’s backyards for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around snakes, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here in summer, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local wildlife using your backyard as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an apartment instead.

So, to paraphrase –
Cars rarely or never hang around on school roads for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around cars, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here during the hours of 8:00AM till 4:00PM, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local cars using our roads as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an hole in the ground instead.

lol!

I did actually start teaching my child how to safely cross roads when she was 3, in a very methodological and effective manner. Until I was absolutely sure that she could do it every single time, I supervised her. Just like I would around snakes.

In summary, if you can’t trust your kids to stay a safe distance from a snake that they’ve been warned about (a real luxury, the warning), you should not leave your kids unsupervised in the backyard.

Tooks 10:34 am 08 Nov 13

Robertson said :

poetix said :

Robertson said :

….

Oh, unless you’re a helpless limp vegan who for some reason just can’t handle the idea of ensafening your enviroment.

Anyone who uses the word ‘ensafening’, which presumably means locking something in a safe, deserves the spade.

I am not surprised to see a product of the Australian education system evincing confusion between a verb and a noun.

c_c™ said :

I get the impression Robertson’s one of those guys who’s so insecure in their sexuality…blah blah blah….

I can’t see any prior reference to sexuality in this thread. Lacking the ability to produce an argument, you appear to have steered a course directly for [i]ad hominem[/i] city.

And it’s *always* projection…..

When did ensafening become a word? I like it.

Robertson 10:26 am 08 Nov 13

poetix said :

Robertson said :

….

Oh, unless you’re a helpless limp vegan who for some reason just can’t handle the idea of ensafening your enviroment.

Anyone who uses the word ‘ensafening’, which presumably means locking something in a safe, deserves the spade.

I am not surprised to see a product of the Australian education system evincing confusion between a verb and a noun.

c_c™ said :

I get the impression Robertson’s one of those guys who’s so insecure in their sexuality…blah blah blah….

I can’t see any prior reference to sexuality in this thread. Lacking the ability to produce an argument, you appear to have steered a course directly for [i]ad hominem[/i] city.

And it’s *always* projection…..

Thumper 9:00 am 08 Nov 13

Postalgeek said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Watson said :

Snakes rarely or never hang around in people’s backyards for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around snakes, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here in summer, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local wildlife using your backyard as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an apartment instead.

So, to paraphrase –
Cars rarely or never hang around on school roads for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around cars, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here during the hours of 8:00AM till 4:00PM, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local cars using our roads as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an hole in the ground instead.

???What is your point???

Don’t get bitten by a car or you’ll need a tourniquet to stop the venomous oil from spreading to the speedo.

Postalgeek 8:44 am 08 Nov 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

Watson said :

Snakes rarely or never hang around in people’s backyards for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around snakes, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here in summer, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local wildlife using your backyard as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an apartment instead.

So, to paraphrase –
Cars rarely or never hang around on school roads for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around cars, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here during the hours of 8:00AM till 4:00PM, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local cars using our roads as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an hole in the ground instead.

???What is your point???

Postalgeek 8:37 am 08 Nov 13

scorpio63 said :

Many people go into cardiac arrest with brown snake bites regardless of whether or not tourniquets are applied effectively; quite a few young people have died from cardiac arrest when the venom travels CC.

Rub butter on burns while you’re about it.

You’re right about vibration and staying still, but seriously, tourniquets haven’t only just recently gone out of fashion. If you’ve got within cooee of first aid training in the last few decades you’d know that tourniquets are a no-no. You need to go look up the proper treatment of snakebite before you stuff up treatment of someone else with snakebite.

c_c™ said :

Good grief you ignorant fool.

You NEVER apply a tourniquet for a snake bite.

Seriously I can’t stress that enough. Not only does it not work, but most sources agree that it makes things worse.

You apply a compression bandage, starting at the bite site, moving up then down the length of the limb, remaining as immobile as possible.

For the avoidance of doubt (just in case you subscribe to another common myth) you also don’t wash the wound because a) it’s pointless, and b) it removes evidence doctors can use to determine whether it was a wet or dry bite, and if wet, what species.

Also mark where the bite is on the outside of the bandage so docs know where to snip and examine bite without removing the bandage and releasing pressure.

Thumper 8:30 am 08 Nov 13

c_c™ said :

Good grief you ignorant fool.

You NEVER apply a tourniquet for a snake bite.

Seriously I can’t stress that enough. Not only does it not work, but most sources agree that it makes things worse.

You apply a compression bandage, starting at the bite site, moving up then down the length of the limb, remaining as immobile as possible.

For the avoidance of doubt (just in case you subscribe to another common myth) you also don’t wash the wound because a) it’s pointless, and b) it removes evidence doctors can use to determine whether it was a wet or dry bite, and if wet, what species.

Read this people….

Tooks 8:28 am 08 Nov 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

Watson said :

Snakes rarely or never hang around in people’s backyards for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around snakes, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here in summer, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local wildlife using your backyard as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an apartment instead.

So, to paraphrase –
Cars rarely or never hang around on school roads for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around cars, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here during the hours of 8:00AM till 4:00PM, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local cars using our roads as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an hole in the ground instead.

I think reading that just made me stupider. Durp.

Tooks 7:58 am 08 Nov 13

Masquara said :

scorpio63 said :

…quite a few young people have died from cardiac arrest when the venom travels CC.

How does “quite a few” fit with the official statistic of two deaths in NSW and a handful Australia wide in 100 years?

Don’t know where you got your official stats, but they’re wrong. There have been about 6 deaths this year alone and 2-4 deaths (from memory) every year. About 60% of snake deaths are from the eastern brown.

wildturkeycanoe 6:20 am 08 Nov 13

Watson said :

Snakes rarely or never hang around in people’s backyards for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around snakes, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here in summer, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local wildlife using your backyard as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an apartment instead.

So, to paraphrase –
Cars rarely or never hang around on school roads for any significant length of time.

You should teach kids how to behave around cars, from a very early age. They’re everywhere here during the hours of 8:00AM till 4:00PM, so you shouldn’t just count on the guv’mint keeping them away from you.

If you cannot deal with local cars using our roads as a corridor, I suggest you go live in an hole in the ground instead.

Masquara 11:06 pm 07 Nov 13

scorpio63 said :

…quite a few young people have died from cardiac arrest when the venom travels CC.

How does “quite a few” fit with the official statistic of two deaths in NSW and a handful Australia wide in 100 years?

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