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P&C nixes school uniforms – will Katy move without them?

By johnboy - 5 April 2006 37

In February we had an excited discussion on the subject of compulsory school uniforms following the issue being put out to consultation.

Yesterday the ABC reported that the P&C association has nixed the idea.

This raises three question.

1) Given that no issue ever went out for community consultation without the minister being already on board will Katy Gallagher push on without them.

2) Is the P&C still representative? Or has it suffered the curse of community organisations and been stacked with earnest lefties?

3) Do we actually want our young men to stop dressing like idiots and the young women like whores? Or would we prefer the continuing entertainment?

UPDATED: The Canberra Times take on the issue is oushing this as a “leave it to the schools” line. Which is fine except it represents the status quo.

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vg 6:21 pm 10 Apr 06

Hook, line and sinker

nyssa76 5:18 pm 10 Apr 06

My, my….I’ve been asking you to stop directing posts to me for weeks now and only when I get personal do you get the hint.

To be honest, you left me no choice. But let’s just remember that it was you who got personal first, don’t go playing the martyr here.

What was it you said?

You are getting personal, which is the haven of the weak when defeated.

Perhaps you should reflect on your own words before making this statement. Again, you have attacked me personally many times.

As for winding me up? Thanks for the laugh.

Perpetuating a stereotype? What is that? The usual “teachers don’t know anything so they shouldn’t get paid $46k”?

Wake up to yourself. Or better yet, realise this: this thread is about school uniforms.

vg 8:32 pm 09 Apr 06

You are easier to wind up than a child’s toy. And this come even after I have agreed with you on a point.

By this line:

“You clearly have nothing much to do – which only proves my case re: ACT Police”

you seem to intimate that I waste my work time posting on this forum. I do not post on this, or any other open forum, during my work time. When I’m at work I work.

You, on the other hand, do nothing more than perpetuate a stereotype, hence the lack of interest in others of participation in your amateur histrionics.

You are getting personal, which is the haven of the weak when defeated. Incessant rantings indicates that they will never stop. I am bored with you, so mine stop now. Hence their apparent ‘incessantness’ is gone.

You are way too precious in any case

nyssa76 7:11 pm 09 Apr 06

LG and AD have commented – not in this thread btw – and I have accepted their comments.

You on the other hand, find nothing better to do than to twist my words to suit yourself.

Several times now I have gone over the point re: teacher uniforms, which you continue to skirt around.

You clearly have nothing much to do – which only proves my case re: ACT Police – than to attack me on a regular basis.

You don’t like what I write, you don’t have to read it, no one is forcing you to.

However, yet again, you have hijacked a thread with your incessant rantings.

All I have said is that, as a collective, they are right up there with nurses as whingers.

Aww, boo hoo, people care about the ill and the nations future (children), damn them all to hell. Right vg?

FYI, Labour party was a typo, get over it.

Oh and we will never be friends….

vg 10:28 am 09 Apr 06

My silly friend. People = myself, LG, AD and several others who have taken issue with you. If you took the time to read threads this would be more than apparent.

“Tell me vg, have you ever had to provide equipment (when you are on a course) for the entire class?” Yes, on numerous occasions, but, like your comment, no one cares and I choose not to attempt to make a case for sainthood because of it.

I shudder to think what level of education your students receive when you suggest I should join the ‘Labour’ party. Not one to look for manual work outside of what I already do, methinks you mean the Labor party, you know that big one in Australia.

Speaking of word twisting, as your clearly paranoic state comes back to regularly, please tell me where I specified that “You obviously think teachers are overpaid, underworked, unkempt and lacking in moral judgment.”

I have never said anything of the sort. All I have said is that, as a collective, they are right up there with nurses as whingers. I stand by that comment.

I do a lot of work. I get paid to do a lot of work. In essence this means I do my job. I am not a special snowflake. If I didnt like my job, or more specifically my conditions, I would take mature industrial action or leave. I don’t look to run off to the Vatican to embolden my case.

You clearly have as much skill in maintaining a cogent argument as you do in accident investigation. I would leave arguing with me alone now for a while. You are clearly on the losing side

nyssa76 9:45 pm 08 Apr 06

Now, anyone want to talk about uniforms in schools?

nyssa76 9:43 pm 08 Apr 06

You keep trotting out the same line about people ‘twisting’ your words when you are cornered in a discussion.

No, I have only stated you.

People are getting sick and tired of you pointing out what they consider ‘de riguer’ as something special, like family responsibilities, unpaid overtime and having to pay for some of the stuff you use at work.

People = you.

I get sick and tired of people thinking teachers don’t have lives nor do a hell of a lot.

We all know nurses and *cough* police do a hell of a lot, so why do people believe teachers don’t?

Tell me vg, have you ever had to provide equipment (when you are on a course) for the entire class? I know I have. Yes I can claim it on tax but the point is, I shouldn’t have to.

So what? It’s a part of work life.

Ignore the sarcasm and take that overtime crack (other thread) as fact if you like. That’s your choice.

We’re talking about uniforms here. I pointed out teachers already do have uniforms, in response to someone other than yourself.

You want to take it further.

Accident investigator? LMAO.

Maybe you should apply for the Labour Party here in Canberra and take over Katy Gallagher’s job. You obviously think teachers are overpaid, underworked, unkempt and lacking in moral judgment.

vg 11:31 am 08 Apr 06

I buy stuff for my own work all the time, in fact some of the items could be considered ‘uniform’. Teachers are not unique and special snowflakes. Everyone else has been doing it for years as well.

Its not twisting your words when I only repeat what you say. You keep trotting out the same line about people ‘twisting’ your words when you are cornered in a discussion. People are getting sick and tired of you pointing out what they consider ‘de riguer’ as something special, like family responsibilities, unpaid overtime and having to pay for some of the stuff you use at work.

Maybe your calling as an accident investigator could be a change of focus.

nyssa76 10:48 am 08 Apr 06

Well duh.

However the point was that teachers buy them because they want to and do it because they feel a sense of pride in their school community. Jazz spoke of compulsory uniforms, so I responded.

Don’t try and twist my words vg.

vg 9:45 am 08 Apr 06

“which they pay for themselves”

and, like most occupations in a similiar position, claim on tax.

nyssa76 3:22 am 08 Apr 06

GnT, I asked about it from the school clothing shop and the main disributor of school clothing in the ACT. The material is cheaper and seeing as most Non-Govt schools have identical dresses, there is plenty of material to go around.

The dresses at my school are over $65 each. Hand made, they are $35-$40.

Personally, I’d rather save $25.

Teachers don’t wear “uniforms” but they can and do wear shirts/jumpers/jackets with the school logo on it – which they pay for themselves. It’s been happening for years.

schmerica 3:47 pm 07 Apr 06

ghughes I’m not exactly sure what schools your seeing but I just spent my last two weeks on Prac in a Primary school and I didnt see one of those things.

Children can still be individuals, even though they are dressed the same. Being an individual goes more than the way they dress, its their personalities and attitudes which really decided stuff like that.

Uniforms are a good thing because the children who come from the poorer families arn’t made to feel inadequate because of the way they dress. I remember some of the people I went to school with, who couldnt afford brand names, turned to smoking and drinking because they were constantly made to feel on the ‘outside’ because they didnt have the latest $150 jeans or the $200 shoes. I’m not saying this is the case for all kids, I’m sure alot of children handle it fine. This is just what I have seen in my experience.

GnT 12:59 pm 07 Apr 06

BTW Chalker, at my school we’ve just had a compulsory PD to inform staff of the department’s brand new dress code policy, so there should be no confusion among teachers anymore.

GnT 12:57 pm 07 Apr 06

Nyssa – when was the last time you turned on your sewing machine?

Sewing clothes is no longer cheaper than buying them in most cases. I agree with LG – tracksuit pants and polo shirts are a pratical and cheap uniform.

And uniforms for teachers? Bring it on!!

Chalker 10:40 am 07 Apr 06

You might want to tell some of the ones I’ve worked with that.

nyssa76 7:00 am 07 Apr 06

ghughes, teachers, whether in the Non-Govt or Govt system have a dress code.

Absent Diane 4:01 pm 06 Apr 06

but whinging is so much fun!!!

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